Poll: [If] England and America just went to war...

[Dectomax]

IF this war did happen, America would be fucked. We, the British, have a commonwealth consisting of 54 countries. These are all obliged to pledge allegiance to the crown. And this time, France wouldn't be there to save your arse.

 

[joshuaayt]

My country? Australia has always been America's *****. On top of that, to not side with America is verging on suicidal.

EDIT: Actually, maybe not. Commonwealth, and all that. Can't really tell.

 

[The_Yeti]

Honestly? America would further bankrupt self utterly trashing the british, then china would swoop in calling our tab and boom, China#2, then when the radiation faded from england, boom, China#3.

 

[NeuroticDogDad]

What I meant by that was that back when Canada was much more a part of the British Empire a Canadian could not become a member of parliament and speak as representative of a district of Canadians. Even if Canada was well governed (which to my understanding it was) it was governed not treated as an equal part of a greater whole the way say Rhode Island is in the United States. Regardless of how British a Canadian may have felt during that time they were effectively a lesser citizen as long as they remained in Canada. Kind of like a resident of Puerto Rico is in relation to the United States. And regardless of how British Canada may have been, to my understanding there was never any move to actually fully integrate them into some sort of expanded United Kingdom likely because Canada would represent a majority in Parliament. On the contrary, Britain started to sever ties with Canada in the late nineteenth century to preserve that 'British' majority.And it was that decision to eject Canada from the British Empire rather than bestowing them with truly full British citizenship which leads me to believe that Canadians hold Britain in far higher regard than it deserves. Honestly, I don't know why Canadians put up with it for so long. When it became clear that Britain had no intention of treating us like equals we Americans revolted.

Ah well, I thought you were referring to more modern history. I profess to know very little about Canada during the British Empire, though the way you present it does sound fascinating. I'm currently writing two different papers at the minute but maybe in the summer months we could return to the topic and try and investigate it further.

Well, Britain would have to get in to Sweden if they would want to block the trade routes to Germany, otherwise it wouldn't work. It's not like they could set up fuckin' tolls and have Sweden yell at them. The Germans would tear their shit up.
And, one of the main reason it was never made and indeed merely proposed, was because they didn't wish to motivate the Axis allies (Italy, Japan) to push any more forward.

I'd say it's a pretty reasonable conclusion.

The main article of the one you offered me states that the plan was to have the navy occupy and dominate the baltic for three months, preventing naval trade routes, after which it was hoped Sweden would offer a port. If the Swedish didn't offer said port then the navy would withdraw. It never mentions an invasion of Sweden. A reason for not enacting it was, as you pointed out, to avoid motivating the Axis powers, however, the entire concept was rendered pointless when Nazi Germany invaded Denmark and Norway, providing land-based trade routes (as you said, fuckin' toll booths wouldn't have worked).

So I'm still mystified as to where you get the idea of Nazi Germany saving Sweden from British invasion.

Naw, the English never invaded Sweden. Iceland was more their game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Iceland

Well indeed. Though it's not exactly going to go down as the bloodiest invasion in the history of mankind. A bunch of untrained sailors turning up and saying "erm...have you got any germans?" barely constitutes an invasion. We were only stopping the Nazis, we didn't keep it. Promise.

And if we're viewed as owing them something because of it, they kind of lost a lot of our money recently so at best I think we're even.

TLR
No one has responded to my on-topic content which is why I have gone massively off-topic. My bad.

 

[llew]

im welsh and hate both countries so im going to australia

 

[Cairo Xaero]

Doesn't matter America wins.

I'll side with the country with one of the best trained special forces in the world, the European union behind it and that's a ***** too attack because it's an island.

 

[Kukakkau]

I'm assuming the OP doesn't know how big England actually is if this is the battle he's going for...

As someone from Scotland I have no choice but to....kick back and watch as our long lasted enemies get destroyed in less than a day. We shall have our freeeeeeedom!

I'm kidding since we would most likely be dragged into it, being part of the UK and all

 

[Griffolion]

America and England go to war? The rest of the EU goes in too, including Russia and more than likely China as it would be a fantastic opportunity for them to seize more power on the international stage.

So yeah, here's to hoping America aren't that stupid.

 

[Griffolion]

I'm English but isn't very clear cut. What's the motivation?

Are we being invaded by America because...
They want our oh so valuable land?
They want revenge against us for the original colonisation?
We suddenly become a terrorist nation?
We suddenly become a fascist nation?
They have an issue with our leadership?

Have to say the last one is the only one I'd side with America for, anything to remove Cameron.

We are also potentially backed up by,
India - Nuclear Power, former colony
Australia - former prison/colony
Canada - Nuclear Power, former colony
France - Our bestest buddy after America
Scotland - Fellow constituent country
Northern Ireland - Fellow constituent country
Wales - Fellow constituent country
Germany - Nuclear Power, fellow EU country, Has economic and industrial regeneration abilities of Deadpool
Potentially the rest of the EU
Potentially Russia and China (attempting an opportunist attack against the US)

We also have nukes in the North Sea that launch if they lose contact with 10 Downing Street (or the HoP, can't remember), the SAS(The modern special forces blueprint) and the most dangerous weapon of all, dry humour.

You pretty much ninja'd me in a more elaborate fashion. And the nuclear missiles launch if Radio 4 transmission is lost as that is the official broadcast of the country that will keep going and will be the last one to be terminated in the event of an invasion. No, seriously.

 

[comadorcrack]

Well america would most certainly win. More countries would side with england. But that doesn't really make much of a difference. Despite England having the best trained navy and special forces, The sheer might of america would crush the UK

 

[Riddle78]

I live on a Canadian Forces Base,near the border. The US is only about a day's drive away. Guess what? Militia time.

The plan will be simple. Every member will wear full-body uniforms,concealing hands and heads. We'll destroy infrastructure,utilize improvized weapons until we can get our paws on actual ones,and target only military targets. Priority targets would be...

-Munitions depots (raid to arm,destroy the rest)
-Power Stations (without power,the US military would be crippled)
-Bridges (can't supply the other side of the river now)
-Railways (can't move huge ammounts of supplies now)
-Roads or Railways vulnerable to collapse/avalanche/rockslide (convoys to/from remote areas now cut off)
-Monuments (cripple morale)
-Ports (cripples Navy and supply lines)

This would work on ANYONE,really. But,hey,that's how I'd do it. We'd probably get wiped out,though. But,hell if it wouldn't be incredible to hear.

Since Canada is still technicaly Britain's ally,we'd be forced to side with Britain. I'd rally civilians to help in any way possible. If the States invades Canada,where I live would be a high priority target,so...I'd start blowing bridges and burning the surrounding forests. Then GTFO at 427.

 

[AudienceOfOne1]

Why America versus Britain? Surely the next war will be China versus the world.

 

[VGC USpartan VS]

I'd be with America, why? Because as an American, my military is really the only thing left in this country that's perfect.

 

[GeorgW]

Go England!!
My country is neutral and would remain so.

 

[Lord Doomhammer]

Doesn't matter America wins.

Yea... I'm american, so I'm gonna side with america. The number of ways we have to stomp on a country of that size (especially since they're an island) isn't even funny.

 

[mirasiel]

I think we'd (UK) lose in a stand up non-nuclear fight but we'd gut the US forces pretty badly in the meantime, you guys haven't lost carriers or landing ships since ww2.

Not to mention the fact that (as good as they are) the USAF hasnt really gone up against a proper modern, well equipped* and maintained* air defence network or airforce* since...um...??



*Assuming someone fixes the economy out before these fisticuffs

 

[FBPH]

Did anyone else see that news report about when we (US and UK) sent in those first tomahawk missiles into Libya? It was reported that more than 112 tomahawk missiles were launched and around 110 of them were American? So, yeah....

Well as I am currently living in the US, I'd side with where I live. And if those tomohawks weren't an indication of how much firepower the US has, then what about all the current military projects in the works right now? When ever war breaks out, the US has had a history of putting a large part of it's domestic resources into furthering said military programs and dramatically speeding up technological and weaponry advances. If anyone remembers that "dragon skin" armor program in the works or the airborne weaponized laser that the escapist had a video of a while back to name a few.

Don't forget about current technology that US forces are using today. There's that SWATS (Soldier Worn Acoustic Targeting Systems) thing that tells soldiers where they're being shot from, there's always the B-2 bomber that has had great military success in both the Iraq and Afghanistan, and were also part of the Libyan "no fly zone" thing.

Also, i don't have sources cause this is stuff mostly seen on the history channel and stuff. (yeah...history channel ftw!)

 

[Mckeown]

okay, i am english (a yorkshireman to be precise), so i'm natrually inclined to go with england. but even if i wasn't, america, as a country, is the country i hate most, it drags us into it's conflicts, it's completely incapable of managing itself (like us but without the good TV shows) and it's run by even bigger idiots than us! nothing against the people of america, i know some and those i've met seem like nice people, and obama SEEMS to be a step in the right direction (even if he has done bugger all that he said he would), i just really hate the government and the way it handles itself

 

[Spygon]

Well being British i would side with my country.Just find it odd that the americans think they would only be fighting Britain in this situation we are a main member of the commonwealth and the EU what do you think would really happen.Also not losing an official war in 1000 years is not to bad either

But to be honest which ever country starts like it is going to lose i put money on firing nuclear weapons and both countries being rapidily blown off the map.