Darkgoosey666 said:
Right so after my geography exam and before my history one me and a friend argued about batman. She said he didnt have powers, so he was a regular 'hero' and i said by that logic iron man isnt a super hero, and that i will not stand for.
Anyway the debate snowballed until everyone and their dog had an opinion, so escapist, is batman a superhero?
BTW escapist, what the hell happened to my poll? there was a 'no' option!
Definatly. I think part of the problem is that people oftentimes forget that super heroes existed before sequential art. Characters like "Batman" and their gangster busting exploits were inspired by various pulp characters. DC used to stand for "Detective Comics" and Batman was a take on the popular "super detective" concept.
One thing to carefully consider is that just because the comics portray him as being a normal guy without powers, doesn't mean that's literally true. I mean this guy is supposed to somehow be a master of every field of human endeavor from Engineering to Martial Arts. Nobody could know or do all of the things that he does within a single lifetime. What's more despite being defined as a "normal person" the guy dodges bullets and stuff. The whole "body armor intergrated into the bat suit" thing is fairly recent. Back when Batman was first invented things like that weren't even seriously conceived of (I think Batman was created back in like the 1930s originally).
When your dealing with "Gadgeteers" understand that both Bat Man and Iron Man routinely ignore the laws of physics. Both of them are basically smarter than any scientist that has ever existed. Of course this is pretty typical for comic books in general (a lot of people are like that). There are versions of Batman where he has literally solved the mysteries of intergalactic travel, and apparently managed to kit bash a "Bat Spaceship" so he could fly from planet to planet alongside characters like Superman.
What counts as a "super power" is debatable, but in general I tend to think that the basic "Hero" in this context is someone who more or less conforms with what people can do in real life. Oh sure it gets ridiculously improbable, but it's vaguely possible. With Bat Man it's not even remotely possible, the guy can get a blood sample from a mutant, and then engineer a retro-mutagen in a couple of hours when in reality it would take teams of scientists a lifetime to do something like that.
Of course it can also be argued that there is no real differance, other than "super hero" being a trademarked term people have associated with a certain type of fantasy. The first "Heroes" I can think of are dudes from Greco-Roman mythology like Hercules, Achilles (from the Illiad actually) and similar characters. Nobody called them "super heroes", yet what made them heroic was the possession of freak powers, typically defined as coming from some kind of divine lineage or intervention. Hercules was part god, Achilles was dipped in The River Styx which made him invulnerable except for one part of his ankle where is mother held him (and thus it never got wet).