Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?

[retyopy]

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Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

So can 'normal' cest. And of all the afflictions someone can be afflicted with, birth defects from genetic causes are amongst the most natural of them.

Your kids riding in a car can get killed in an accident whether or not you make them wear a seatbelt, but you still get your kids to wear a seatbelt because cutting back on the odds of hideously deforming or killing them is a damn good practice. Same logic applies to incest.

O.K., but forgetting the kid, is it wrong for them to simply be in love?

 

[Jake0fTrades]

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Too many people quoting me! I am COMPLETELY lost. lol

 

[Loop Stricken]

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Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

So can 'normal' cest. And of all the afflictions someone can be afflicted with, birth defects from genetic causes are amongst the most natural of them.

Your kids riding in a car can get killed in an accident whether or not you make them wear a seatbelt, but you still get your kids to wear a seatbelt because cutting back on the odds of hideously deforming or killing them is a damn good practice. Same logic applies to incest.

If I had kids I'd make them wear a seatbelt as opposed to never being allowed into the car. ie if two closely-related people wanted a sexual relationship and didn't want kids then there are, shock horror, various contraceptions to use to prevent it. If they do want kids they would likely know, as most of us probably do, whether or not there are any hereditary health problems that might screw up their unholy devilspawn.
And for the ultra-cautious, genetic screening.

Essentially morality is subjective, but I still have issues with anyone who would rather impose their own beliefs on others instead of letting everyone just do what they please.
And yes I see the possible hypocrisy in trying to impose my belief in nonrestriction but honestly I think you'd be an idiot to try and argue against freedom.

 

[chadachada123]

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Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

So can 'normal' cest. And of all the afflictions someone can be afflicted with, birth defects from genetic causes are amongst the most natural of them.

Your kids riding in a car can get killed in an accident whether or not you make them wear a seatbelt, but you still get your kids to wear a seatbelt because cutting back on the odds of hideously deforming or killing them is a damn good practice. Same logic applies to incest.

You're (almost definitely) a hypocrite. A person with a history of cancer or genetic defect has a far higher chance of having a kid with said condition(s) than a person without these but in an incestuous relationship, yet society (and, from what I can tell, you) don't look down on higher-risk relationships like those, because, frankly, it isn't our damn business.

I'll say this again since no one seems to have read it: The average child born of an incestuous first-generation relationship has only a ONE PERCENT higher chance of having ANY serious genetic defect compared to the average person, and virtually NO difference in non-purely-genetic defects like autism, Downs, etc.

This still says NOTHING about relations that don't result in or cannot result in a child.

 

[Harrowdown]

Yes, according to the law. Unconsensual incest is a different crime entirely. If what you're asking is whether or not it should be illegal, then I would still say yes. Children born to incestuous parents suffer greatly from genetic deficiencies due to the limited gene pool. You can see for yourself the effects of it by looking at some of the old royal families from europe and elsewhere. If the sex is protected, I think there's still issues of mental scarring.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Personally, I do not think incest should be illegal. I think simply having a child from incest should be illegal. It should be the law that if you are going to be in an incestuous relationship then you must agree to use some form of guaranteed birth control.

That's awesome. Of course, apart from particular methods of surgical rearrangement no such thing exists.

 

[Azalin137]

I say go for it.........I had sexual relations with my stepsister........Now i would never have any relations with my sister. Primarily cause I don't have one. Screw who you want....its your problem.

 

[dead.juice]

My current account is new, but I've been lurking on The Escapist since Yahtzee first started hosting videos here, and it seems the Escapist forums can't go a single month without an incest topic.
I don't want to sound like an asshole, but wtf people, is inbreeding really so fascinating?

 

[Howlingwolf214]

I don't see anything morally wrong with incestual love. Love is Love no matter what shape it deigns to take.

However, the idea of children must be considered. If the couple wants to have children, that is. If they don't, then I fail to see the problem.

If they do want to have children and the child is likely to be severely affected as a result, I do not think it is acceptible. Getting together knowing that you will be bringing a child into a horrible life is not acceptible whether incestual or no, however.

But, if they just want to get together because they properly love each other, then all the best to the theoretical couple.

 

[Kaymish]

morally wrong*? not from the point of view of my moral frame work it is only after many generations that too many recessive genes turn up and children begin to become non-viable therefore it is not wrong* from a moral point for first or even second generation incest even to conceive a child weird hell yes wrong* no
however that said it still has a massive stigma against it so it is not advisable to admit to it if you do decide

legally wrong? it depends on where you are it is legislated against in some jurisdictions no matter the ciurmstances

*well depending on how you define wrong.

 

[retyopy]

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And I'm confused because I have no idea why people are arguing with me for saying that incest is unnatural and widely frowned upon. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that belief.

It may be unnatural, but if they're both in love, then who does it hurt? Love is love.

Wait, what? Prove its "unnatural". That sounds like the anti-gay argument, and its equally invalid.

Go find a pile of kittens from one litter, keep unfixed males and females, or even the mother. Watch what happens. Incest ahoy!

I was just quoting him. I didn't feel like explaining why it isn't unnatural, and i wanted to focus on the human aspect, i.e. love.

 

[Loop Stricken]

This still says NOTHING about relations that don't result in or cannot result in a child.

In which case love is love and is nobody else's concern. :3

Also that's a mighty fine avatar.

 

[Xanadu84]

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Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

So can 'normal' cest. And of all the afflictions someone can be afflicted with, birth defects from genetic causes are amongst the most natural of them.

Your kids riding in a car can get killed in an accident whether or not you make them wear a seatbelt, but you still get your kids to wear a seatbelt because cutting back on the odds of hideously deforming or killing them is a damn good practice. Same logic applies to incest.

O.K., but forgetting the kid, is it wrong for them to simply be in love?

Nothing really. But humans like to screw. "Simply being in love" can end up being a lot like, "Simply being suspended a quarter mile in the air without any supports". Saying it is all great in theory, but in reality, its kinda hard to ignore a most insistent, basic attraction, be it sex or gravity.

 

[retyopy]

This still says NOTHING about relations that don't result in or cannot result in a child.

In which case love is love and is nobody else's concern. :3

Also that's a mighty fine avatar.

I think you might be just a bit biased about the avatar.

 

[Baneat]

This still says NOTHING about relations that don't result in or cannot result in a child.

In which case love is love and is nobody else's concern. :3

Also that's a mighty fine avatar.

I refuse to bow to the pony overlords and switch avatar!

 

[Kanatatsu]

If my family started talking about incest at dinner... I'd be very worried.

and yes, it is wrong, irregardless.

just fyi "irregardless" is not a word. you mean "regardless".

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

I don't find it to be wrong so long as everyone is consenting. Thought I might find it odd. Actually I would very likely find it odd, if not down-right strange. Wrong? Nope. Then of course I have very liberal beliefs when it comes to sex.

And as for the child and inbreeding, from what I know, you don't get weird ass genetic fuck-ups until several generations down the line. Unless you already have genetic problems, then it's more likely for those mutations to surface.

 

[Xanadu84]

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Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

So can 'normal' cest. And of all the afflictions someone can be afflicted with, birth defects from genetic causes are amongst the most natural of them.

Your kids riding in a car can get killed in an accident whether or not you make them wear a seatbelt, but you still get your kids to wear a seatbelt because cutting back on the odds of hideously deforming or killing them is a damn good practice. Same logic applies to incest.

Shall we go back to banning people with mental disorders from having kids? Many of them have a MUCH greater chance of passing on their problems to offspring. While we are at it, let's just ban anyone with an inheritable disease from having kids, the risk is there!

Honestly, that's not all that bad of an idea. Harsh and unpopular sure, but probably true. But evolution didn't instill that sort of natural selection in us, while it does understand incest.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Is Game of Thrones your family viewing?

Anyway, I find it really disturbing. I wish you didn't make this post.

I wish you didn't find yourself behooven to reply. I wish my wallet was bulging with unmarked nonsequential 20's. I wish I'd spoken to the girl I fell for instead of sitting there like a gormless twat for two years.

I wish many things. We don't always get what we wish for.

 

[Ulixes Dimon]

EDIT: A lot of people think that something like that is going on in my family. No. Just... No. The thought is just... *vomits*

Your statement shows the exactness of the wrongness.

No, only that he doesn't find his family attractive.
I don't find my family attractive and don't enjoy the image of relations between us being planted in my head. But if I had a sister I found sexually attractive and reciprocated, I'd be all up in that. Because hey, a girl.

"I'd be all up in that. Because hey, a girl."-Best statement on incest ive ever heard XP
I can't say I know what I would do if I had sexual urges towards a sister (has none) but there isn't anything inherently wrong with two people caring for one another and moving into an intimate relationship. Gene therapy consultation would be advisable before having children but otherwise go crazy.