Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?
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So can 'normal' cest. And of all the afflictions someone can be afflicted with, birth defects from genetic causes are amongst the most natural of them.Buchholz101 said:
it reminds me of a comedy sketch I saw about the controversy of two gay men kissing whilst on a flight. It basically went;Baneat said:
"STOP THAT! It's unnatural!!"
"You're flying."
it was hilarious.
No one cares how an incestuous person gets there rocks off, they care that the implication involves reduced genetic variance, and increased risk of birth defects in resulting children. The usual response from a person playing devils advocate is, "Well what if its not sex that could produce a child?" The answer to that is that all forms of incest are looked upon as aberrant behavior to make doubly sure that people don't have kids through incest. The only feasible way to make sure that child producing incest is ALWAYS frowned upon is to frown upon ALL incest.
You could argue that this is foolish, simply people sticking to a primitive, animalistic perspective instead of looking at something deeper. Ponder this foolishness as you go and blow up people from a different tribe in a video game, go watch a movie about killing people in a different tribe on TV, watch an advertisement filled with boobies, then cook up a big juicy steak while listening to a song talking about some social process that will eventually lead to sex.
Also, you talked about incest at the family dinner table? I'm not accusing you of getting weird ideas involving your family, I'm accusing your entire family of having flipping WEIRD dinner conversations. My family always talked about our respective days, personally.
You could argue that this is foolish, simply people sticking to a primitive, animalistic perspective instead of looking at something deeper. Ponder this foolishness as you go and blow up people from a different tribe in a video game, go watch a movie about killing people in a different tribe on TV, watch an advertisement filled with boobies, then cook up a big juicy steak while listening to a song talking about some social process that will eventually lead to sex.
Also, you talked about incest at the family dinner table? I'm not accusing you of getting weird ideas involving your family, I'm accusing your entire family of having flipping WEIRD dinner conversations. My family always talked about our respective days, personally.
This is true of any relationship as simply by virtue of being in a relationship they're probably influential in their life. ANY relationship has the potential for abuse, that doesn't mean you ban relationships altogether, it means you try to stop the abusive ones. I mean, can't you see how the "it might be like this, and that's why it's best to ban it altogether" thing could be applied to almost anything? "Guns can be used to break into someone's house and murder someone, better ban guns". "People can get drunk and run someone over, better ban cars". "Policeman might abuse their authority, better ban policeman". Plus, here's the thing. If one of the participants is really abusive or exploiting their position do you think they're going to care if incest is illegal or taboo or whatever? No! In much the same way banning guns doesn't prevent people getting shot, banning incest isn't going to prevent abusive family relations.Kargathia said:
And I'm confused because I have no idea why people are arguing with me for saying that incest is unnatural and widely frowned upon. I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in that belief.Baneat said:
Slightly.Buchholz101 said:
Road rage is more common among those who drive cars. Potassium overdose is more common among people who eat lots of bananas. Sore hands are more common among people who suffer from OCD. Torso wounds are more common among those who practice hara-kiri.
Do you see where I'm going with this?
I'm more arguing the point that your belief is correct by default.Buchholz101 said:
No. Study up on the risks and how to avoid them, then go find a consenting adult and Fuck them silly.
What 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom is NOBODY, and I Fucking mean NOBODY but theirs' business. And way too many people in this world get off to forcing everyone else to live under their views.
You think something is wrong? Fine. Don't do it. But let others do what they want.
*end rant*
What 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom is NOBODY, and I Fucking mean NOBODY but theirs' business. And way too many people in this world get off to forcing everyone else to live under their views.
You think something is wrong? Fine. Don't do it. But let others do what they want.
*end rant*
Your kids riding in a car can get killed in an accident whether or not you make them wear a seatbelt, but you still get your kids to wear a seatbelt because cutting back on the odds of hideously deforming or killing them is a damn good practice. Same logic applies to incest.Loop Stricken said:
Thanks, I wasn't arguing with you in that last comment by the way. I'm just saying I'm every ounce as confused as you are. HahaLoop Stricken said:
Personally, I do not think incest should be illegal. I think simply having a child from incest should be illegal. It should be the law that if you are going to be in an incestuous relationship then you must agree to use some form of guaranteed birth control.
A condom is not enough. Either implanted control or vasectamony. If a child is still born after this no charges, as all reasonable steps were taken, however if it turns out they were lying about using birth control, or simply used none at all, they should be criminally charged and the child should be taken into surrogate care on birth.
Objectively the only thing wrong with incest is that the children are far more likely to be born with serious defects. It is not fair on the child, rather than the parents if the child is born. Therefore we erase that and even though it is weird and creepy (in my view), a lot of legal things are.
A condom is not enough. Either implanted control or vasectamony. If a child is still born after this no charges, as all reasonable steps were taken, however if it turns out they were lying about using birth control, or simply used none at all, they should be criminally charged and the child should be taken into surrogate care on birth.
Objectively the only thing wrong with incest is that the children are far more likely to be born with serious defects. It is not fair on the child, rather than the parents if the child is born. Therefore we erase that and even though it is weird and creepy (in my view), a lot of legal things are.
i see no reason for it to be wrong, as long as they both consent and they use protection, but thats pretty much the guideline for anyone to have sex unless they want a baby, which i doubt people fucking their relatives would want, considering the risk and societal opinion on it.
if thats your only reason for it, which is the only one you gave, then if the couple is homosexual, only do anal/oral, use birth control effectively or even get an abortion if it all fails massively through some trolling by god it should be fine.otakon17 said:
I don't think so, I would never partake in it but to be honest we are all committing incest if we all came from one being. Somewhere along the line we are all related but I want facts of incest pregnancy causing birth defects.