Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?

[Baneat]

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

I thought that was fairly clear.

I just don't see the connection.

He was highlighting how poor the connection was. The argument proposed was that not being natural => moral wrong. He was refuting by example.

 

[Hurray Forums]

It's taboo not because it's rape but because it contaminates the population with harmful mutations. The gene pool doesn't need to be diluted any faster than it already is, thank you very much.

Actually it kinda does what with dilution being the general dispersion of one solution in another which is what you DO when you breed with fresh genetic material...

To explain myself then, we need to keep harmful mutations that are preventable to a minimum. That works best when new genetic material is added. Stagnation then. Avoiding stagnation is the goal.

Love and happiness is more important than genetic diversity. Relationships are about feelings, not producing the best child. It's an irrelevant point anyway as incest doesn't automatically result in children. This would be an argument against children being born from incest, not incest itself. Kind of like how you ban shooting people instead of banning guns entirely. Finally, if genetic stagnation is "wrong" we should ban living on islands since those tend to be pretty stagnant.

 

[aashell13]

Yes, absolutely. Most religions prohibit it, so if you're at all religious then its a no-go for that reason. Also, society has a legitimate pragmatic reason for curtailing the practice, given that any children conceived from such a match would almost certainly be disabled.

 

[robert01]

Like they say a family that sleeps together sticks together right?

Seriously I can't say I would agree with any form on wincest plan and simple. But what people do is their business but if I was seeing a girl and it came out that she slept with family memebers I wouldn't be talking to her again. Period.

 

[retyopy]

Crap, escapist ate my post, then spat it out.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

 

[Baneat]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

 

[Loop Stricken]

snip

Wait, so you're saying you would want... that's...

wierd vibes, eh?

No. See this post [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/jump/18.305719.12287453].

 

[Loop Stricken]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

Funny, I tend to hear the same thing about religion.

Except from its practitioners.

 

[retyopy]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

And I was implying that you want to go to home base with your mom. cheers.

EDIT: I screwed up the quote.

 

[metamorphosis18]

Morally wrong, grey area.
Ethically wrong - almost certainly, given the possible consequences-

 

[Jake0fTrades]

SNIP

Incest is a bit more controversial than blood transfusions. Yes, SOME religions see blood transfusions as unnatural, but incest is almost universally disliked by all, save it's practitioners.

But now you're down to the old chestnut of common opinion makes rightness, and I don't need to patronise you with examples of how insane that logic is.

It's not just about common opinion, incest can lead to birth defects, which is why I also said that it's not natural.

 

[retyopy]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

And I was implying that you want to go to home base with your mom. cheers.

EDIT: I screwed up the quote.

EDIT 2: That was a joke. Just so you're clear.

 

[karamazovnew]

- Incest between parent and child (underage) is a crime and an ugly one at that. Unfortunately, incest between father and daughter (usually violent) used to be the most common type.

- Incest between parent and adult child is just plain weird.

- Incest between siblings is (outside of hentai animes) quite ugly, usually an older brother will force and abuse a younger sister (usually both underage). However, using imagination here, there might be "happy couples" out there and as long as they don't have children, it's.. well, who am I to judge?

- Cousins (first degree) are ok, but again, only as long as there are no children. Unfortunately quite many countries permit marriage. However if the cousin is from the mother/grandmother side (even second degree), it's extremely dangerous.

 

[chadachada123]

Yes, absolutely. Most religions prohibit it, so if you're at all religious then its a no-go for that reason. Also, society has a legitimate pragmatic reason for curtailing the practice, given that any children conceived from such a match would almost certainly be disabled.

Religion has nothing to do with the legal framework, and nothing to do with the moral framework for non-religious people.

Oh, and your quote "any children conceived from such a match would almost certainly be disabled" is both factually incorrect and logically ineffectual as an argument. The chance of disability goes up only VERY slightly in a first-generation incestual relationship. It is inbreeding over *generations* that causes, say, royal families to contract many genetic defects. On top of that, it is only an argument against related people *giving birth.* It says nothing about gay related people having sex, or straight related people having sex without having children.

 

[WonderWillard]

Well I mean, the Targaryans and the Lannisters did it, so it can't be that bad, right?

 

[nin_ninja]

So my family and I were eating, and incest became, albiet briefly, the subject. So that got me thinking: is incest wrong if it's consensual?

It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

This. Consensual adults should, and are for the most part, allowed to do whatever they want with each other.

 

[Loop Stricken]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

And I was implying that you want to go to home base with your mom. cheers.

EDIT: I screwed up the quote.

Bugged quotes notwithstanding; I don't but hold no animosity towards anyone who does providing said mother is cool with it.

 

[vesago]

How closely related are the pair I mean me and my stepsister liz people we're pretty much dating if both(or more) are willing people go ahead

 

[locoartero]

As long as no child comes out of it, and they're both consenting adults, it's fine. Also, POLL?