Poll: Is incest wrong if it's consensual?

[The_Echo]

Well, I'm the kind of guy who sticks up for pedophiles, so I guess I'll go ahead and say that consensual incest is quite alright.

It's a little gross (to me, anyway) and any resultant children could become a bit of a sticky situation... but whatever floats your boat, you know?

You can't help it if you want to fuck your sibling/cousin/parent/grandparent's brains out. It happens.

 

[Baneat]

Well.. technically it was a return trip

I like you.

When science backs ethics up, there's really no argument. Also, gross.

Expand on this?

I assume he's referring to the higher risk of birth defects granted to a child of incest. Which is, according to a random Google page, about 5%.
Of course, according to the same page the chance of birth defects in your average nonrelated couple is about 2.5%

BUT THAT'S A 100% INCREASE OH MY GOD

Okay. So let's say it puts the rate up and this is fact.

Okay, so what I gather it's immoral to have a child if your success rate for health is less than optimal, yes?

So it's immoral to have sex if you're a smoker, drinker or anything like that, under the same principle.

Tell me how I'm not thinking this through properly, to me it's merely a matter of degrees and an arbitrarily drawn line to justify calling something you're disgusted by wrong.

 

[SaberXIII]

Well, since both society and nature itself have branded it so, yeah I should think it is.

 

[Loop Stricken]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

 

[Pandabearparade]

A little gross, depending on how closely related. Though I don't think it's something that should be regulated by law.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Well.. technically it was a return trip

I like you.

When science backs ethics up, there's really no argument. Also, gross.

Expand on this?

I assume he's referring to the higher risk of birth defects granted to a child of incest. Which is, according to a random Google page, about 5%.
Of course, according to the same page the chance of birth defects in your average nonrelated couple is about 2.5%

BUT THAT'S A 100% INCREASE OH MY GOD

Okay. So let's say it puts the rate up and this is fact.

Okay, so what I gather it's immoral to have a child if your success rate for health is less than optimal, yes?

So it's immoral to have sex if you're a smoker, drinker or anything like that, under the same principle.

Tell me how I'm not thinking this through properly, to me it's merely a matter of degrees and an arbitrarily drawn line to justify calling something you're disgusted by wrong.

I agree entirely. Sorry, I thought the rampant capitalisation of that last sentence was enough of a giveaway that I wasn't being entirely serious.

I'll do better next time.

 

[Baneat]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

LOL he's accidentally digging deeper holes (don't even) which he can't escape!

And no I knew you weren't arguing that side, but others in the thread have which is the point I was baiting to shoot it down.

It's an open question to the thread, show me where that logic fails.

 

[retyopy]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

 

[Jake0fTrades]

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

 

[Baneat]

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

I thought that was fairly clear.

 

[retyopy]

I would ask you to focus mainly on the "love" aspect first and the "science" aspect last.

 

[elvor0]

eeeh, I find it pretty sick, but it's not morally wrong if both sides consent by a long shot. Morally wrong would imply it was unjust or harmed someone, which if it was consensual, no one would be. If you're religious, you could say it's immoral in the eyes of god, but then so's a lot of shit.

On the other hand, I don't think having incsest babies should be allowed, purely for the sake of the gene pool.

 

[Jake0fTrades]

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

I thought that was fairly clear.

I just don't see the connection.

 

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

Are all parties involved adults? Are all parties involved consenting to it? If the answer to those questions is yes than I see absolutely no problem with it.

 

[chadachada123]

Nope.

I could bring up Bonobos, that screw everyone around them regardless of age, gender, or relation, but that wouldn't really argue my point.

One can't merely use "herp derp genetic defects" as an argument, since that doesn't say anything about homosexual incestuous relations or those with a partner that is sterile, and also fails to take into account that even a brother-sister relationship with children has only a 1% higher chance of mental defect in the kids when it's the first case of incest in the family (that is, the parents of the brother-sister aren't related), making it more negligible than a person with a big family history of cancer having kids, or, in the case of my family, a lethal genetic defect that has affected (killed) 3 of my 9 great aunts/uncles on my mom's side of the family, and also cystic fibrosis, which my 2nd cousin's twin daughters have. On top of that, my great grandma had (but survived) breast cancer twice, and my OTHER 2nd cousin has Hodgkin's lymphoma, which is basically a cancer of the blood. That's all on my mom's side. On my dad's side, my grandma died of Lupis (I know I know, it's never Lupis).

...Yeah. I have a far higher chance of at LEAST passing on two or three LETHAL recessive defective genes to my kids than the average person and his/her sister/brother. Interestingly, though, asthma affects incestuously-born children far higher than normal children, and at a rate far higher than the 1% for physical/mental defect.

There is no other reason to reasonably say that incestuous relations are bad except for, in the case of parent/child, the position-of-authority issue. The "unnatural" argument doesn't fly since a great many types of relations can be viewed as "unnatural" based solely on its prevalence in ancient human or animal populations.

 

[Monkfish Acc.]

Depends.

Parent and child, siblings where one is significantly older, aunts and uncles, much older cousins. These can all be pretty iffy. There is a chance the younger participants have been groomed into it.
If they'd barely seen each other in their entire lives, sure, why not. It's consentual, there's probably not any mind fuckery going on. They're welcome to do as they please. We have contraception now, there is no reason for it NOT to be okay.

I mean, sure, it's pretty gross, but it's not really anybody's business. Taboo is not a legitimate reason to keep two people who love each other apart. If you remember, being gay used to be (and still is in some parts) this huge taboo, and I would like to think most of us here are pretty aware how stupid homophobia is.

 

[gabe12301]

That's just sick of course not! just...why would you ask this?

 

[Mr. 47]

Is the two parties are both of age, then no. I find it a little peculier to say the least, but if they are happy, who are we to deny them?

 

[Loop Stricken]

[It's not morally wrong.
Do whatever you want (If it's consensual)
If a child comes out of it, that's your problem.

Exactly. Not much to add here, really.
The only argument against it is the whole children thing. But that's it.

Even that is cagey, cause then the principle applies that the only people who can have children are those who are the most likely to produce healthy, superior offspring.

Neither are great choices, but one trumps.

I read the title. I turned my twin sister. I asked her what she thought about it.

She says it's gross. I'm inclined to agree.

2 out of 2 twins agree: Incest is just weird.

My twin agees with you, and I agree with he. So I suppose 4/4 twins.

Fuck how can you ask a sibling that question!?!? I'd run the fuck away if I was asked that from a sibling.

We're really close. I despise her, but we are really close.

Really close. Just not that close. squick

Don't... just don't.

Okay, okay, but it just begged to be said.. the way you're expressing yourself just opens it up to ridicule.

Two things to say:

Not one argument against it morally has been valid in this thread so far, come at me. Note this is not disputing the disgustingness of it, merely that it's WRONG.

And another:

I'm really dying to get the dialogue on this discussion. Who brought it up, why, how, what was said about it and how was it concluded?

I'm not sure who bought it up, and it was ended 3 seconds later by my mother.

"As far as you kids are concerned my vagina is a one-way street! END OF!"

Something like that?
[sub]That was a joke.[/sub]

That better be a joke.

You... wait, you DON'T want...

... I'm getting really weird vibes from you.

Wait, so you're implying that you would... but... what...

Weird vibes, eh?

Essentially I was implying your mother shot down the conversation by implying that you kids are only allowed out of it and not in it. It being her vagina.
And then you get offended.

From a moral standpoint, no. But it's not natural in our culture and is highly frowned upon.

Depending on who you talk to, the same thing can be said of cars and blood transfusions.

Are you comparing incest to a medical procedure that saves lives?

I'm comparing viewpoints, dear. Greens and Jehova's Witnesses would consider the above to be not natural in our culture and highly frowned upon.

Meat; vegetarians.
Nuclear power; idiots who think wind power will suffice.

You see where I'm going with this?

 

[Kargathia]

Debating whether it's morally wrong to have a consensual incestuous relationship is something that doesn't even matter.
The incest part doesn't even come into play yet - the problem is "consensual".

Family members can excercise way too much influence over each other to truly be able to say something is consensual. It's not a case of "it always is like this", it is a case of "it might be like this, and that's why it's best to ban it altogether".

The same thing goes for relations between teacher and pupil. A sexual relationship with your student gets you jailed, and put on the sex offenders list. Even if the both of you are adults, and even if it was the student asking you out for dates / dinner / etc.

If you're in an influentual position you'll have to accept the responsibility that comes with it. And while you can always start dating after graduation, there is no point where you clearly can't influence your family any more.