Poll: Is It The Same As Filming Porn
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Just go with the one which pays more money ,if you don't do it ,someone else will. Personally i would go with the church ,even if their intention is to shove religion down peoples throats it wont force anyone to do what they dont want to ,people who dont care about such things will ignore it. And porn.. i wouldnt be comfortable telling people who asks what my last job was that i made a porno and that might hurt your career ,or not ,i have no idea how things work in this business.
Between Christian fundamentalism and Porn, i'd see fewer moral problems filming pornography than filming for religious nut-jobs.
But then again, i'm athiest.
But then again, i'm athiest.
Filming techniques for Porn is actually extremely similar to Food. Shooting a food show is like how the cameramen deliberately use many of the same conventions that porn photographers use in their work. Never mind that the perfect food produced on camera is something that the majority of viewers will never successfully recreate or have an opportunity to sample, as much as they might wish to; that's part of the porn appeal too.
In order to make a film which convinces people of something, that falls within the realm of Dramatic Cinema, and Propaganda (depending on the level of 'Aggressiveness'). However from what I've learned about Jesus and God, he doesn't actively attack people who don't believe in them. He gentle suggests an alternative to complaining whenever people who don't believe encounter major snags or setbacks in life. For reference, there are two movies I recommended you see.
The Mission (1986, starring Robert DeNiro, Jeremy Irons and a very young Liam Neeson) and Amazing Grace (2006, starring Ioan Gruffudd and Benedict Cumberbatch).
In order to make a film which convinces people of something, that falls within the realm of Dramatic Cinema, and Propaganda (depending on the level of 'Aggressiveness'). However from what I've learned about Jesus and God, he doesn't actively attack people who don't believe in them. He gentle suggests an alternative to complaining whenever people who don't believe encounter major snags or setbacks in life. For reference, there are two movies I recommended you see.
The Mission (1986, starring Robert DeNiro, Jeremy Irons and a very young Liam Neeson) and Amazing Grace (2006, starring Ioan Gruffudd and Benedict Cumberbatch).
Only if it's one of those weird cults from Utah.
Seriously though, no. You seem to avoid filming porn because you consider it "low" in terms of artistic merit. This particular offer is totally different. What matters is how you feel about it, or more importantly whether or not you object sufficiently to it to refuse.
Seriously though, no. You seem to avoid filming porn because you consider it "low" in terms of artistic merit. This particular offer is totally different. What matters is how you feel about it, or more importantly whether or not you object sufficiently to it to refuse.
Trying to tell people how to think is much worse than porn in my opinion if want to believe in they will if they don't they wont simple as really. Forcing people to believe through guilt, fear or paranoia is a terrible thing. If people want to watch porn they do no one forces anyone.Bouncing Ferret FIlm said:
I'm an atheist and I think you should take the job. Film their videos, no one will care anyway. The only people who care about it are people who already agree with that. You need the job. It's not like porn. It's not artistic, but artist have done far worse in the past. You need money to get back on your feet.
Seems kinda hypocritical though you watching porn and not wanting to shoot it. I'd shoot a porn. I'd probably even be in it. Sex isn't evil. It's completely natural and people like to watch it. Also, porn pays a lot of bills.
Seems kinda hypocritical though you watching porn and not wanting to shoot it. I'd shoot a porn. I'd probably even be in it. Sex isn't evil. It's completely natural and people like to watch it. Also, porn pays a lot of bills.
Oh, you're never going to successful as a filmmaker are you? Ten years from when this opportunity is long gone, you have no professional work in your portfolio, and there is no one hiring (you), then you'll be wishing you had made a church video. Make porn. Make religious films. Make how-to videos. Make commercials. Why make up arbitrary barriers for yourself when there are already thousand of real barriers in place?
It pretty much is the same. You're sacrificing personal integrity for money.
Don't do something you'll regret later.
If you can separate yourself completely from your work(possibly use a pseudonym) and do it guilt free than go for it. I'm not judging you either way.
Don't do something you'll regret later.
If you can separate yourself completely from your work(possibly use a pseudonym) and do it guilt free than go for it. I'm not judging you either way.
Interesting conundrum..... I guess it really depends on the church and the people who run it. Is it a Catholic church?
My own experience of American Catholicism (I'm Irish) is that it seems quite a bit stricter on people than the Irish Church. I'm Catholic as well, or at least I'd identify myself as such.... but that's not to say I'm willing to let old sheltered men talk down to me and tell me how to live my life like that American priest I encountered.
Anyway, my issues with the very existence of the hierarchy aside.... If they're genuinely motivated by a desire to reach out to people, to help people struggling for answers or people just needing help by a larger community then I don't think you should be worried about shoving anything down anyone's throat.
if it's a pure recruitment tool, walk away, if the message they convey is as un-Christian as some of the twoddle the Vatican has come up with in the past, walk away..
But if at the end of the day it's to inform people about that Church, spread the good word and invite people to join a community or even re-connect with that and their faith, well, more power to them and to you.
Ultimately, though, you need to eat, right?
My own experience of American Catholicism (I'm Irish) is that it seems quite a bit stricter on people than the Irish Church. I'm Catholic as well, or at least I'd identify myself as such.... but that's not to say I'm willing to let old sheltered men talk down to me and tell me how to live my life like that American priest I encountered.
Anyway, my issues with the very existence of the hierarchy aside.... If they're genuinely motivated by a desire to reach out to people, to help people struggling for answers or people just needing help by a larger community then I don't think you should be worried about shoving anything down anyone's throat.
if it's a pure recruitment tool, walk away, if the message they convey is as un-Christian as some of the twoddle the Vatican has come up with in the past, walk away..
But if at the end of the day it's to inform people about that Church, spread the good word and invite people to join a community or even re-connect with that and their faith, well, more power to them and to you.
Ultimately, though, you need to eat, right?
No. Just as bad, but for different reasons. But hey, you need money. Make a subtle disclaimer after the credits saying "The views expressed in this film are not the same as the director" 
Well, when it's "Aggressively Reaching towards People who are away from God", then it might as well be the same as Filming Porn. (P.S., I am Catholic, though people here call me a "Christian Deist"). If you don't wanna do it, don't bother. But if you could convince them to not "Aggressively Reach Towards People Who Are Far Away From God", maybe make it more about the good points and not the bad, then try that. If you desperately need money, either: Film their Aggressive Religious Film, Film some Porn, or Get a second Job.
If I understand you correctly, what you're asking can basically be boiled down to a matter of principles and how far you should compromise your personal principles in order to make a living. In truth that's a question only you can answer, you've decided you never want to work on anything pornographic in nature and I applaud you for that, but is what this church is asking you to do... well does it feel wrong to you? Does it make you feel much the same way the thought of making porn does? If the answer to either or both those questions is 'yes', then you should probably turn down the job.
If you are seriously against both, try find something else. Otherwise decide which one is less against what you believe, 'cause you need to eat and other opportunities may not arise too soon.
clarification, i found this job post on craigslists amongst of ALL places. So this is not a church i regularly attend or even knew existed. So i go into the situation knowing that while things could be cool, but they could also go to hell... so to speak. IE, when i was a extra for a "christian" short telling the stories of those who were "muslim" (I swear to God she choked on the word) and became christians. I came because I figured i would get good stories and dear GOD was i right.toriver said: