Are you serious? you say this right before saying this:Mr. Omega said:
Doesn't that strike you as a little hypocritical?Mr. Omega said:
Poll: Is The "PC Elitist" As Common As The Escapist Would Like To Think?
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I voted yes. But maybe when I did 20 seconds ago, the word "console" is strongly tied with the Nintendo Wii, so yeah.
haha, how can an opinion be.. "wrong" [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=People%20Who%20Think%20Opinions%20Can%20Be%20Wrong]?TheKasp said:
I build my own pc.27CDruid said:
And i thought it would be difficult to build a pc first.
I wasn't a pc genius or something like that. My big brother build my first own pc for me and it's not that long ago that the best i did was change the graphic's card. But this was sooo simple.
Sure you need to do a little research on what parts match with what other parts, but you have google for that.
And when you figured it out it is really easy.
Seriously the first time i even saw the insight of a pc was 2 years before i build my own one.
Just look at the phrase 'Do you view console users as "Lesser Gamers"?'
I'm surprised everybody doesn't look at that and laugh. It's bloody ridiculous.
I have a very, very high end gaming pc and an xbox and wii and a ds. (I want a PS3 but can't afford it yet) So what am I in the scheme of things? A cross breed? lol.
It's such a silly division in a world that already has enough.
[small]I'm joking don't hurt the kitty :<[/small]
I'm surprised everybody doesn't look at that and laugh. It's bloody ridiculous.
I have a very, very high end gaming pc and an xbox and wii and a ds. (I want a PS3 but can't afford it yet) So what am I in the scheme of things? A cross breed? lol.
It's such a silly division in a world that already has enough.
Give this guy a cookie. It's why I have such an awesome PC I have no willy at all D: A lot to make up for!Mr. Omega said:
[small]I'm joking don't hurt the kitty :<[/small]
I could probably make a good go of it. I took appart my old ME to see how everything went together and did A Level computers so I have a general understanding of how computer goes together.Matthew94 said:
Shocking myself might be quite likely. Things tend to go wrong with me no matter what precautions are taken. But im fairly resistant to shocks, fire and fast travelling microwave doors...
There are a large number of people who could not learn this. My dad likes playing games from time to time. Can he figure out how to setup a PS3? Just about.
Could he figure out how to create a computer? No. Could he be taught? Probably. He certainly doesn't have the free time to do so. He would proably just end up ordering one off Dell and a gaming PC off Dell is gonna be costly.
For a large percentage of the population console suits them better.
Myabe I should consider learning to build a new computer. The one I am currently using for my video creating is showing its age. Its running out of power, memory and Im really tired of the Vista operating system.
no, I do find consoles inferior though xD
the main reasons are as always:
modding
community patches (Gothic 3 e.g.)
controlls(since I can use a gamepad if I want to but on a console I can't use mouse and keyboard if I want to)
performance stagnation
also I think console games are dumbed down sometimes but I guess that's more a design choice related to the projected target audience and greed -.-
the main reasons are as always:
modding
community patches (Gothic 3 e.g.)
controlls(since I can use a gamepad if I want to but on a console I can't use mouse and keyboard if I want to)
performance stagnation
also I think console games are dumbed down sometimes but I guess that's more a design choice related to the projected target audience and greed -.-
Is there anything I should look for when looking for when it comes to dealing with large video files and their transfer/editing/compiling?Amaror said:
I have a new HD camcorder and there's less than 10gb space left on my hard drive. Im gonna have to do some clearing to survive. I've been using pinnacle videospin for editing videos and whilst it faired me surprisingly well, im overdue an upgrade. Most good editing software wants higher min specs than my 55 month old vista.
Vista isn't the worst OS ever. I had to endure 3 years of millenium edition and when people call vista terrible I feel its harsh.
Also is it just me or is vista awkward as all hell when it comes to audio capture?
Yeah have to agree with you there, this is something a lot of PC hardware enthusiasts tend to forget - for someone who's never built a PC before it can look like a pretty daunting task and constantly just stating "It's easy!" isn't going to change that. It is relatively easy but you have to explain how/why it's easy not just beat them over the head with a stick.tthor said:
Also there are people who'd rather just pony up the money than deal with the anxiety of "what if I fry an expensive component?"
I don't see console gamers as lesser gamers, In fact I think they are probably a bit higher than PC gamers, purely because they are putting up with the cumbersome, out of date in seconds, gimmicky hardware they love so much.
PC's are, and always will be the cutting edge.
PC's are, and always will be the cutting edge.
*sighs*
TL;DR - elitism sucks. Console zealots and PC paladins alike suck. Just get your fucking game on and shut up. If you can't, then stop gaming and leave the rest of us who can still derive enjoyment out of this thing.
I just can't stomach elitism, no matter which side is displaying it. I hear pseudo-arguments like xDarc's and I cringe, honestly. So you've stopped playing on consoles because you're a big boy now. Good for you. Oh, and console gamers have made everything mainstream? Oh God, what a horrible tragedy! Abandon ship, everyone! Sorry dude, but *everything* that's ever been created becomes mainstream at some point. How else is new hardware going to be released, if the currently existing processing power doesn't become more democratic in its access?
What really gets my goat, though, is when I hear fallacies I myself used to spread about PC gaming. Loads of bull like how you're expected to cough up a lung and chop off an arm to be able to afford a good PC. To anyone believing this; stop parroting what you've heard from Alienware advocates and check your closest no-name PC hardware store. Premade rigs that can run the newest titles on the market are available at two or three hundred bucks.
Of course, you'll always hear about bleeding-edge enthusiasts who consistently keep their rig upgrades because they simply can't fathom the idea of not playing a game with its highest visual settings, but guess what? These are a minority. I built my own rig two years ago, and I'm nowhere near seeing the need for an upgrade. The initial price of that rig, before I added my own modifications? 400$. That's pretty much the average price of a next-gen console, nowadays.
Then, as a PC gamer, there's those crying out against the "consolization" of entire genres. Again, this is a symptom of things becoming more mainstream - which is unavoidable. I remember hearing Todd Howard from Bethesda complaining that PCs are much harder to code for than consoles, and he honestly seemed to lament that fact. I'm sorry to say it, but he's right! Consoles have the one and only advantage of sporting fixed hardware configurations. One stress test performed on one console will always come out in the exact same way for the other consoles in the same line, because they're all the same. Clone PC builds, however, are as diverse as there are human beings on the planet. What will run smoothly on one machine can turn into a total crash-fest on another.
With today's game development cycles, it stands to reason that coding for PCs would be perceived as a gigantic hassle. Consoles are clearly the easy and painless way out, so why code for PCs anyway? The answer is, because of everything the platform still offers; because of everything graphics card manufacturers have to offer to the desktop PC market, and because the mouse and keyboard as input devices are still unmatched in flexibility. Still, as the console market's pioneered entire fanbases and subcultures, modern devs will obviously try to make a more casual PC gamer and more hardcore console player both feel welcomed in their games.
This is where the final state of products like Skyrim comes in. Corners have been cut and I have to admit that the default menu system isn't quite as intuitive as it could be, but it was all to be expected. Am I bitching about it? No. Why am I not bitching about it?
Because I see people who accuse PC gamers of elitism or console gamers of having sucked the marrow out of their favourite hobby as being in the same camp as the fuddy-duddies who accused the Beatles of destroying the sixties' youths and their innocence. Both camps are woefully out of tune and fail to realize that because of the roots of electronic entertainment, there will always and forever be some interplay between both platforms.
So is Skyrim dumbed down, for instance? No. The times have changed. You can either keep up or wall yourself off in nostalgia. Or you can stop gaming altogether, if you clearly bave no fun whatsoever because the awful, awful Luddites have destroyed your chosen vice.
TL;DR - elitism sucks. Console zealots and PC paladins alike suck. Just get your fucking game on and shut up. If you can't, then stop gaming and leave the rest of us who can still derive enjoyment out of this thing.
I just can't stomach elitism, no matter which side is displaying it. I hear pseudo-arguments like xDarc's and I cringe, honestly. So you've stopped playing on consoles because you're a big boy now. Good for you. Oh, and console gamers have made everything mainstream? Oh God, what a horrible tragedy! Abandon ship, everyone! Sorry dude, but *everything* that's ever been created becomes mainstream at some point. How else is new hardware going to be released, if the currently existing processing power doesn't become more democratic in its access?
What really gets my goat, though, is when I hear fallacies I myself used to spread about PC gaming. Loads of bull like how you're expected to cough up a lung and chop off an arm to be able to afford a good PC. To anyone believing this; stop parroting what you've heard from Alienware advocates and check your closest no-name PC hardware store. Premade rigs that can run the newest titles on the market are available at two or three hundred bucks.
Of course, you'll always hear about bleeding-edge enthusiasts who consistently keep their rig upgrades because they simply can't fathom the idea of not playing a game with its highest visual settings, but guess what? These are a minority. I built my own rig two years ago, and I'm nowhere near seeing the need for an upgrade. The initial price of that rig, before I added my own modifications? 400$. That's pretty much the average price of a next-gen console, nowadays.
Then, as a PC gamer, there's those crying out against the "consolization" of entire genres. Again, this is a symptom of things becoming more mainstream - which is unavoidable. I remember hearing Todd Howard from Bethesda complaining that PCs are much harder to code for than consoles, and he honestly seemed to lament that fact. I'm sorry to say it, but he's right! Consoles have the one and only advantage of sporting fixed hardware configurations. One stress test performed on one console will always come out in the exact same way for the other consoles in the same line, because they're all the same. Clone PC builds, however, are as diverse as there are human beings on the planet. What will run smoothly on one machine can turn into a total crash-fest on another.
With today's game development cycles, it stands to reason that coding for PCs would be perceived as a gigantic hassle. Consoles are clearly the easy and painless way out, so why code for PCs anyway? The answer is, because of everything the platform still offers; because of everything graphics card manufacturers have to offer to the desktop PC market, and because the mouse and keyboard as input devices are still unmatched in flexibility. Still, as the console market's pioneered entire fanbases and subcultures, modern devs will obviously try to make a more casual PC gamer and more hardcore console player both feel welcomed in their games.
This is where the final state of products like Skyrim comes in. Corners have been cut and I have to admit that the default menu system isn't quite as intuitive as it could be, but it was all to be expected. Am I bitching about it? No. Why am I not bitching about it?
Because I see people who accuse PC gamers of elitism or console gamers of having sucked the marrow out of their favourite hobby as being in the same camp as the fuddy-duddies who accused the Beatles of destroying the sixties' youths and their innocence. Both camps are woefully out of tune and fail to realize that because of the roots of electronic entertainment, there will always and forever be some interplay between both platforms.
So is Skyrim dumbed down, for instance? No. The times have changed. You can either keep up or wall yourself off in nostalgia. Or you can stop gaming altogether, if you clearly bave no fun whatsoever because the awful, awful Luddites have destroyed your chosen vice.
As amusing as that video is, most "stock" PCs people get from stores and such, especially DELLs, have PSUs just big enough to get by (to cut costs).Dexter111 said:I knew this would come in handy at some point
Simply sticking in a video card, even if done correctly, can result in a rig that requires more power than the PSU is able to supply, thereby becoming unstable.