Poll: Is this fair? a question of creepy porn

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Sparrow

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Uszi said:
TOO MUCH FREAKING TEXT
I hate to big the fuckhead to who points out the obvious, but are you actually saying it's alright to own drawn child pornography on your computer? If so, you can get the fuck out of my future island of New Wales.

And to all those replying to my comment about it being close to actually having sex with a child by saying stuff like "OMGZ THT MEANS U THNK VIDEO GMES ARE CLOSE TO KILLING SOME1 LOLOLOL", may I kindly point you to the nearest "GTFO" booth?

To replying to your question, I would have to bury your face in some proof. How much of a percentage of people kill others because they play video games?

Now put that in contrast to the ammount of people that rape or molest a child and have at one point owned some child pornography.

Please send any complaints to my PM box. Fighting like schoolkids on a forum isn't my idea of fun, because you'll just make the both of us look like dickheads.
 

Zephemus

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I'm actually rather facinated with this thread as the concept of "should" drives me to two different conclusions.

By the law he "should" be convicted and sentenced as he was, because realistically he could've saved the money and moved to Japan where the laws about such content are much different. But he chose to stay in the USA where his conduct is illegal and his responsibility to know as such.

The other "should" however leads me to believe that this is a morality flaming issue with the idea of possessing illitrusations in this manner is wrong, and while this may be up to opinion and interpritation lemme go ahead and takes both positions on this one.

First, the con, which seems to be the more popular position to take on this subject. With the many well known cases of child abduction publicized in the states it's easy to take a pre-emptive position and say that such material will only stimulate child predator's urges in such a way it symbolizes a pot of water waiting to boil over. It may be wise in a sense to restrict such material now to see if it actually works in practice, since if it doesn't then one can always lift a ban and less damage has been done.

However, allow me to play the devil's advocate and state the pro, human impulses and urges can also be described as a pressurizer, filling with steam until the container's limit is reached and without a release port the whole thing will blow. Well if you look at it that way then one could assume that possessing such material would be an innocent port to alliveate such urges in a much more safe environment, since ACTUALLY performing these acts is not required to get the desired product. This is an arguement that is closely similar, similar not relavent, to the violence in video games issue. Just because people partake in these activities in a much safer environment where actually hurting people isn't nessecary, does not mean that they are planning to enact them in real life, from personal experience ending a day with mercilessly lighting an enemy or two up in Metal Gear Solid or Unreal Tournament was just the thing I needed to relieve the stress that would've otherwise led me to committing such acts in my high school, having an opposite effect then was claimed they would have.

Anyways, I thought I should bring up both points to this arguement since it seemed that many people wanted to outright speak in defense of owning hentai but was rather timid to do so, presumably from public backlash on these forums.
 

Zersy

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Sparrow Tag said:
Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.
this pretty much answer's the topic
 

bad rider

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Its not harming anyone. Its disgusting, but if we want to lock people up for wierd fetishes we'd end up persecuting the welsh. Sorry it was too easy.
 

HellRaid

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Victim-based crime deserves punishment.

Prevention of such crime deserves rehabilitation.

There is no victim here, so he does not deserve to go to jail for the pictures alone. However, it is clear he has a problem with *might* lead to a victim-based crime, so he should be psychologically examined and treated - perhaps in the worst case be locked up for a few months during the examinations. Who knows, a psychologist might even be able to get rid of his strange fixation.

There is a line - beyond this line a criminal cannot be helped and a jail sentence is the only solution, in order to protect the rest of the population from him/her. This particular criminal is not beyond this line and does not deserve 15 years.
 

similar.squirrel

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A massive fine, constant surveillance and a daily hosing-down with iced water.

Whilst children may not have been harmed creating the drawings, they're catering to a market that consists of people who most likely will.
These sickos need help, not more material.
 

ace_of_something

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Uszi said:
How can you make that distinction from the artical? I can't. The author sounds totally ignorant of the distinction you claim exists. I don't know how much the good people of Iowa know about Japanese "lolicon."
My Uncle is actually a cop that goes on the internet and pretends to be a 14 year old girl (or whatever else) most large cities and counties have at least a small division that does just this sort of thing. Iowa has a couple towns that number about a 80,000-200,000 people. I assure you that if they have a department of this type they will know exactly what you're talking about.

Also

the federal government ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) is who arrested Mr. Handley.
 

Nisas

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People keep asking, "Where's the line between this and actual child rape?"

I'll tell you where the line is. When you actually rape a child.

I see no victim in the act of purchasing some drawings. If he actually rapes a kid, arrest him then. Don't fuck up 15 years of a guy's life because you think he MIGHT do something.

It's unconstitutional, but good luck getting someone to change it. People freak out when this kind of thing shows up because it disgusts them.
 

Singing Gremlin

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There are times when empathy needs to be thrown out of the window. This however, is not necessarily one of those times.

Let's just flick perspective for a moment, shall we? Let's say he was gay. And gay porn - between adults - was found on his computer, in a country where homosexuality was declared illegal. Would 15 years be fair there? Of course not. Why? Because that is the way he is, he cannot help his sexuality and it does not harm anyone.

And oddly enough, that last sentence applies to this situation too! People don't choose to be paedophiles. Can people not understand that? God knows what it must be like to live with that kind of monster living inside you. But this guy, despite his urges - and God knows he's better at limiting his urges than most people seem to be - only allows himself methods that don't hurt anyone. Now, the moment he gives into those urges and sexually abuses a minor - then we can throw empathy out of the window. But until then he needs help fighting his own nature, not jail time. In fact ostracising probably makes the situation worse.
 

ace_of_something

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Sparrow Tag said:
I hate to big the fuckhead to who points out the obvious, but are you actually saying it's alright to own drawn child pornography on your computer? If so, you can get the fuck out of my future island of New Wales.
bad rider said:
Its not harming anyone. Its disgusting, but if we want to lock people up for wierd fetishes we'd end up persecuting the welsh. Sorry it was too easy.
Forgive an ignorant yank but what's this joke about Wales? How is it easy?

I gotta know!
 

ZonerZ

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HellRaid said:
Victim-based crime deserves punishment.

Prevention of such crime deserves rehabilitation.

There is no victim here, so he does not deserve to go to jail for the pictures alone.
Even if the pictures themselves may not deserve jailtime in the eyes of many, are we to assume that his urges have been victimless simply because a victim has not yet been presented? Even if it has been victimless so far, that could be only because he hasn't had a chance to do what his vexed desires drive him to do. Are we to leave a potential wolf to the sheep?
 

bad rider

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ace_of_something said:
Sparrow Tag said:
I hate to big the fuckhead to who points out the obvious, but are you actually saying it's alright to own drawn child pornography on your computer? If so, you can get the fuck out of my future island of New Wales.
bad rider said:
Its not harming anyone. Its disgusting, but if we want to lock people up for wierd fetishes we'd end up persecuting the welsh. Sorry it was too easy.
Forgive an ignorant yank but what's this joke about Wales? How is it easy?

I gotta know!
Wales has a reputation for deeds with sheep. Say no more.
http://www.sheepjokes.co.uk/welsh-jokes.htm
 

bad rider

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ZonerZ said:
HellRaid said:
Victim-based crime deserves punishment.

Prevention of such crime deserves rehabilitation.

There is no victim here, so he does not deserve to go to jail for the pictures alone.
Even if the pictures themselves may not deserve jailtime in the eyes of many, are we to assume that his urges have been victimless simply because a victim has not yet been presented? Even if it has been victimless so far, that could be only because he hasn't had a chance to do what his vexed desires drive him to do. Are we to leave a potential wolf to the sheep?
Can you arrest someone because he might murder someone. Even if you know that person despises the the would be victim.
 

Razbunare

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honestly this guy had it coming to him.
I wouldnt be surprised if he wasnt driving around town in a van.
 

Nisas

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ZonerZ said:
HellRaid said:
Victim-based crime deserves punishment.

Prevention of such crime deserves rehabilitation.

There is no victim here, so he does not deserve to go to jail for the pictures alone.
Even if the pictures themselves may not deserve jailtime in the eyes of many, are we to assume that his urges have been victimless simply because a victim has not yet been presented? Even if it has been victimless so far, that could be only because he hasn't had a chance to do what his vexed desires drive him to do. Are we to leave a potential wolf to the sheep?
Will you kill all the dogs because you assume they might be wolves? Just because they're dogs doesn't mean they're wild animals.
 

Highlandheadbanger

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I don't know what to think here. I guess we should punish him because of the need for a precedent in cases that will inevitably follow. If we draw the line here, we can establish boundaries for later. This goes a little against my advocation of 1st Amendment and Privacy Rights, but maybe this part needs to be reined in a little. We cannot punish people for being perverts, but we can punish them for illegal actions upon perverse tendencies and phychological failings. This is in a gray area, but I'm afraid the best action would be to punishment. Don't know where to place this though, seems more then a fine, but less then a serious jail sentence (inmates get wind of this guys case, they just might kill him). Possibly a pretty crushing fine would send the message. Theres so much grey here it's hard to figure what to do.

This supports what I've been saying for years about how the Japanese are (to put it basely) "pretty fucked up" in certain cultural aspects.
 

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alwaysrockon said:
yes he should be jailed. jus becasue their not real pictures dosn't change anything. its like when someone pleads not guilty to "almost" shooting someone because they missed. pediophilism is just fucking WRONG.
sure their just drawings but its a first step for people. like when people begin to torture animals, then you know the next step is other fucking people. if you see the signs of a pedophile you do not let him go free becasue "they were only drawings"
I'm thinking you should go down for possession of visual depiction of murder.

Oh? You don't own any games or films where someone dies?

Just because someone owns this kind of shit doesn't mean they will commit a crime.

Are you trying to say you fantasize about killing people?