Poll: Is this fair? a question of creepy porn

[Uszi]

Okay, I see what you're getting at here. But I bet you it WAS researched in some form first. That's usually required on this sort of thing.

I'm not saying they don't have the facts of the case right. I'm sure they do, in fact.

I'm saying that they're probably totally ignorant of Japanese lolicon hentai. Just about anyone outside of the internet would not see a distinction between what he actually had and a drawing of the neighborhood kids in a photo-realistic fashion.

And I'm also not arguing that there is a difference myself: I'm replying to those who have argued the difference.

To argue that these pictures are worse than lolicon is incorrect. All cartoon porn depicting children is equal to the majority of people.

So they basically felt the rights of a fictional child were violated, they sent a real guy to jail?

QFT. This is my point precisely.

 

[wolfy098]

honestly
1) common stuff just look around it's EVERYWHERE U STUPID *******s
2) It is not REAL he's gone OUT OF HIS WAY NOT to see REAL abused children
3) there are many anime and manga but it's only Hentai(porn) that ever gets talked about publicly

 

[Ghostkai]

Guys got issues....

 

[Mrsoupcup]

I hate Anime and this just increases my hate.... DAMG YOU HENTIA!!!

 

[DarthBunny]

Its just biological impulses that people can't control, so its better they get a release from them without harming someone.

That's how the Japanese see it. They allow animated/cartoon child porn (called shota/lolita depending on the gender of the children) to be produced and distributed legally for that very reason. However, this case was not in Japan so by the federal law was illegal and so the man should be charged as such.
So what they were only pictures? They were still pictures created for a section of the populace to enjoy - a section of the populace that, by all accounts, are pedophiles. The images were still evoking the same violent and lustful emotions that a photograph would produce or the act itself would produce. In my opinion the man deserves everything the courts can throw at him.

 

[Argentavis]

I'm saying that they're probably totally ignorant of Japanese lolicon hentai.

Perhaps not "totally". I heard they were planning on liscensing Strike Witches for a US release, and that show is pretty heavy in the underaged girl fanservice department.
It's a short walk from there to outright lolicon hentai.

So what they were only pictures? They were still pictures created for a section of the populace to enjoy - a section of the populace that, by all accounts, are pedophiles. The images were still evoking the same violent and lustful emotions that a photograph would produce or the act itself would produce.

With the difference that no actual children were harmed.
What is better to you, people satisfying themselves with depictions of fictional children, or people searching for real children to do it?

If I were to draw a stick figure, then ripped the paper it's drawn on, would I be guilty of homicide?

 

[E-mantheseeker]

Jail time? For having drawings of "minors"? Yeah, child porn is very wrong, but there is no drawing worth jail time. It's absurd to claim that a child is underage in a drawing, would it still be "child porn" if the "children" in the drawings were drawn taller? If he actually rapes a kid, throw him in jail, but not for having drawings.

 

[Nisas]

So what they were only pictures? They were still pictures created for a section of the populace to enjoy - a section of the populace that, by all accounts, are pedophiles. The images were still evoking the same violent and lustful emotions that a photograph would produce or the act itself would produce. In my opinion the man deserves everything the courts can throw at him.

Wait a second... How would you know what raping a child would feel like?

It's not about the emotions the picture evokes. If a videogame evokes the same emotions that killing a person does, does that mean I killed a man? No. It's about the victim.

It's a victimless crime.

 

[wolfy098]

Yup. It's fair.

Owning pictures of little kiddies doing that sick shit is only a step away from doing it yourself.

I'm sorry. I didn't realize playing Team Fortress 2 meant I was one step away from killing other people myself.

Violence in videogames is completely irrelevant to this topic.

Your just avoiding the fact he's right...

 

[Theissen]

If someone breaks the law, they should be punished.

In that sense, yes, he should receive a prison sentence. Seeing as this law both includes real pictures and drawings, I would imagine a lower sentence since a drawing doesn't have victims. Thus, he's ought to receive a sentence, though a small one.



On the subject whether this law is just or not is a whole other case.

The laws on child pornography is all about protecting the children. Pictures and films will have a victim. Those victims are probably scarred for life. That is what the law is attempting to stop.

Drawings, however, don't have any victims. They don't leave scarred children behind. People owning such drawings are sexually perveted, yes, but law isn't about telling people how to think and feel. Owners should seek helpnevertheless. Should they go to prison? No.

 

[HentMas]

One thing about "perversions" is that they can not be "changed" by any psychologist or psychiatrist in the world, what the process of "rehabilitation" really does is something like this

a perverted train of thought (and action) looks like this
perverted-thinks perverted things-does perverted things-feels guilty-ends the perversion

after the process of rehabilitation

perverted-thinks perverted thinks-feels guilty-does not do perverted things-ends the perversion

it just places the "guilt" in the process and enforces it so that he will not act in his perversions, or at least that's what my psychiatrist says

so if the guy is buying Lolicon from Japan is because (in my opinion) he already feels guilty and wants to indulge his desires with unrealistic cartoons.

as i said, in my opinion

 

[HentMas]

but where is the line between animations and then getting photos/ doing it himself?
because at some point he will get bored of just animated images and move on. because that is how some paedophiles become paedophiles, they have more and more extreme sex, until they only have one more barrier to break. its disgusting and he should go down, but for a shorter time than if he had real child porn.

i´m sorry but i don't think a person that haves a taste for "drawings" can ever get "bored" of them, i actually love Hentai, and i never get bored, why?? because in my mind they are much better than real women, really i think that if a person gets aroused with something "specific" even if that is not real, it doesn´t make it posible for the same person to see the same appeal in the concept of "reality"

plain English, nothing can beat my own imagination, not even a real woman.

 

[razer17]

i´m sorry but i don't think a person that haves a taste for "drawings" can ever get "bored" of them, i actually love Hentai, and i never get bored, why?? because in my mind they are much better than real women, really i think that if a person gets aroused with something "specific" even if that is not real, it doesn´t make it posible for the same person to see the same appeal in the concept of "reality"

plain English, nothing can beat my own imagination, not even a real woman.

im sorry, did i say that it applied to "everyone" ? no? thought not. also i don't remember asking if you did or didn't like hentai, and also another point is there is a difference between "normal" hentai and that creepy loli shit he had.
also, if no woman is as good as your imagination, well....

 

[Summerstorm]

If someone breaks the law, they should be punished.

Let me fix that: If someone breaks the law, and the law is backwards, stupid, or a result of a joke or hatemongering, mend/abolish/forget the law.

Also: No witchhunt at pedophiles. Sure they provide a big percentige of the child molesters and rapists. But beeing a pedophile is a state of mind. Your mind is yours. As long as you don't live your fantasies out, you are guilty of nothing. I don't want to be burned to death for a violent thought, and i am granting the same privilege to all others, even if their minds are so much stranger from my own.

Of course i am not saying: let them struggle in a world which is not their own, when they seek help or want to change... support them to conform. But really...

 

[Singing Gremlin]

i´m sorry but i don't think a person that haves a taste for "drawings" can ever get "bored" of them, i actually love Hentai, and i never get bored, why?? because in my mind they are much better than real women, really i think that if a person gets aroused with something "specific" even if that is not real, it doesn´t make it posible for the same person to see the same appeal in the concept of "reality"

plain English, nothing can beat my own imagination, not even a real woman.

im sorry, did i say that it applied to "everyone" ? no? thought not. also i don't remember asking if you did or didn't like hentai, and also another point is there is a difference between "normal" hentai and that creepy loli shit he had.
also, if no woman is as good as your imagination, well....

Whoa there a second. You admit it doesn't apply to everyone yet still think we should charge this guy like it's already applied to him? I quote "he will get bored" - so it doesn't apply to everyone but it applies to him? Or are people with paedophilic urges all built to your personal stereotypes? Sheesh, what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

[HellRaid]

Victim-based crime deserves punishment.

Prevention of such crime deserves rehabilitation.

There is no victim here, so he does not deserve to go to jail for the pictures alone.

Even if the pictures themselves may not deserve jailtime in the eyes of many, are we to assume that his urges have been victimless simply because a victim has not yet been presented? Even if it has been victimless so far, that could be only because he hasn't had a chance to do what his vexed desires drive him to do. Are we to leave a potential wolf to the sheep?

I believe the rest of my post (not quoted by you) adequately addressed what should be done in the case of 'he MIGHT do something' - he needs psychiatric help rather than a jail sentence.

If there's a chance he can receive help and live a normal life without harming anybody, isn't it his right to be given that chance?

 

[razer17]

i´m sorry but i don't think a person that haves a taste for "drawings" can ever get "bored" of them, i actually love Hentai, and i never get bored, why?? because in my mind they are much better than real women, really i think that if a person gets aroused with something "specific" even if that is not real, it doesn´t make it posible for the same person to see the same appeal in the concept of "reality"

plain English, nothing can beat my own imagination, not even a real woman.

im sorry, did i say that it applied to "everyone" ? no? thought not. also i don't remember asking if you did or didn't like hentai, and also another point is there is a difference between "normal" hentai and that creepy loli shit he had.
also, if no woman is as good as your imagination, well....

Whoa there a second. You admit it doesn't apply to everyone yet still think we should charge this guy like it's already applied to him? I quote "he will get bored" - so it doesn't apply to everyone but it applies to him? Or are people with paedophilic urges all built to your personal stereotypes? Sheesh, what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

hes proven guilty of having child porn, in one form or another. people with paedophilic urges are not all built to my stereotype. some start out as paedophiles, some become paedophiles due to child abuse. the point is a paedophile is a paedophile, and should be dealt with as such. if i wanted to get really controversial i would point out that i believe anyone who is a paedophile and has actual child porn should be chemically castrated, to remove there sexual urges. if this were to become reality, i would let this man just serve prison time, as he only had drawings, and might be reformable.

 

[iron codpiece]

How exactly are you going to rehabilitate this guy? Other than drug addicts chimos have the highest likelihood to return to jail. Interesting; in des moines (also Iowa) a guy only got 2 years for jerking off in his car at a playground looking at kids play. I find that much more threatening.