Poll: Lyrics vs Music
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My opinion has changed since I last posted in this topic >.>
I know think music is better since I picked up the guitar again and it sounds better than singing.
I know think music is better since I picked up the guitar again and it sounds better than singing.
That's an interesting point, by which I assume you mean that Beethoven, Bach, Mozart, Pachabel and all the other Johans throughout the renaissance and baroque eras, whose music is the literal foundation for all modern music be it rock or rap, are the proud writers of empty music with no substance. I'm sure John Williams and the guy who did the LOTR music would argue that instrumental music can add atmosphere and take you on a journey without the whine of some idiot 20 something wanting to be the moral minority and I would overwhelmingly agree with them. In basically all audio visual media be it west or east instrumental music can make a heartstring tugging moment pull all that much harder or give a climactic fight scene that little bit more energy to it. Something which lyrics could threaten.Seanda said:
On that same coin I do see your point, the point which I see in Falconer. If you are familiar with their music you will understand my point, in that they almost come accross as metal bards and their style requires a degree of oneness between spoken word and musical accompaniement. Their music tends to tell a story in the same way Dragonforce does, so for both bands lyrics and music are two halves of the whole and the finished product couldn't stand up on it's own were either to be removed.
as a vocalist myself I have to say music, but the way lyrics sound is music so it is a good balance between good sounding lyrics and music that win for me
Good lyrics can definitely save an awful song. For example: "Don't trust me" by 3Oh!3. It's not a great song but I love the lyrics. 
"Tell your boyfriend, if he says he's got beef, that i'm a vegetarian and I ain't fucking scared of him."
But both good music AND lyrics is what makes a song amazing. Most songs by Avenged Sevenfold are a good example of this. I mean, the chorus of "Beast and the Harlot" is amazing!
"Tell your boyfriend, if he says he's got beef, that i'm a vegetarian and I ain't fucking scared of him."
But both good music AND lyrics is what makes a song amazing. Most songs by Avenged Sevenfold are a good example of this. I mean, the chorus of "Beast and the Harlot" is amazing!
What I mean is, real music is the kind of thing where all aspects of a song come together in perfect harmony to craft a message that the artist feels is important. Rap relies on the beat much more than the lyrics.Oolinthu said:
And I'm not saying rap can't have brilliant lyrics. But a rap song doesn't suck just for having bad lyrics. Because its focus is on the rhythm, not the words.
You've been listening to the wrong rap, I'd say. With most rap, the accompanying rhythm or beats are either deliberately simplistic, or tailored to suit the mood of the lyrics. The emphasis has always been on the lyrics, even in rap songs with excellent production or even original music (like The Roots, for example). That's why rap with good lyrics is so good, and rap with bad lyrics is so shitty, even if it's still great for dancing to.Weapon_Master_Jedi said:
While rapping by itself isn't music, rather poetry, many rap songs certainly qualify as music. I don't see the basis for claiming that rap isn't music simply because it has rapping in it.
If I really had to choose, I'd say lyrics. The reason I say lyrics is because the lyrics, and the point of view expressed in them, are what really make or break a song for me. If a band had great music, but had lyrics expressing a worldview that I disagreed with, I would never listen to them(Like Mission U.K.). And sometimes, a band with with music that I'm usually not interested in can find favour with me by having fun or interesting lyrics(Like Voltaire, Lemon Demon, and Jonathan Coulton. Jonathan did get a little help by having one of his songs in a certain video game, though ).
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I think both are equally important, but I think music is a bit more prevalent.
I've always been a stickler for music too, I really don't like music that seems simplistic. Maybe it's from being a progressive rock fan, but a lot of the music on the radio these days just seems too simplistic, and I tend to like things dynamic. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? I don't know, just thought I'd mention it.
I've always been a stickler for music too, I really don't like music that seems simplistic. Maybe it's from being a progressive rock fan, but a lot of the music on the radio these days just seems too simplistic, and I tend to like things dynamic. What does that have to do with ANYTHING? I don't know, just thought I'd mention it.
I personally enjoy lyrics more. But it depends on the song and its genera. If it is hardcore death metal then I tend to not listen to much of the lyrical content. But if it is more acoustic, or slow, or understandable I tend to focus on the lyrics.
But generally I listen to a song 1-10 times, and I mean REALLY LISTEN, I listen to all of the differences in it. Like I'll listen to the lyrics, then the music, then so forth. But I mean once I've analyzed the song I wont simply stop listening to the song.
But generally I listen to a song 1-10 times, and I mean REALLY LISTEN, I listen to all of the differences in it. Like I'll listen to the lyrics, then the music, then so forth. But I mean once I've analyzed the song I wont simply stop listening to the song.
Valid, but you misunderstood my meaning, Del. (Mostly my fault, when I look at how I phrased the post. "lacks meaning" does not communicate my point in the way I intended).
Let me rephrase, If a song had either bad lyrics or bad music, the bad component outweighs the good one, making the music unenjoyable.
Let me rephrase, If a song had either bad lyrics or bad music, the bad component outweighs the good one, making the music unenjoyable.
I would have to say music. I usually enjoy instrumental (from classical to instrumental rock) but I enjoy a voice added to it too. For the most part I don't try too hard to understand the lyrics, I rarely search for a song's lyrics on the net, not because I'm too lazy to understand their poetry, but because sometimes it's hard to even hear clearly the words of the vocalist.
With that being said, there are bands which I enjoy very much, because of the music AND the lyrics, such as The Doors or The Ink Spots. They usually have a deeper meaning and they can be heard clearly without an electrical guitar or base blocking the sounds of the voice.
With that being said, there are bands which I enjoy very much, because of the music AND the lyrics, such as The Doors or The Ink Spots. They usually have a deeper meaning and they can be heard clearly without an electrical guitar or base blocking the sounds of the voice.
music by far, great example is any screamo song, i hate screamo but i like the guitars, eg PWD (parkway drive)
However i do like some songs just for lyrics like Situations by etf
And then there are the perfect mix of lyrics and tune eg TEARS DONT FALL by bullet for my valentine
However i do like some songs just for lyrics like Situations by etf
And then there are the perfect mix of lyrics and tune eg TEARS DONT FALL by bullet for my valentine
I agree. Rap with good lyrics is great. And I'm not denying that it's music. I'm just saying that a lot of the people I've known who listen to the particular genre aren't the type who pay attention to lyrics. I know this from speaking to them. All they care about is that they can dance to the song's beat. And, in fact, they don't seem to fully understand the musical value of an empty spot in the beat where it's just the lyrics for a few seconds.Oolinthu said: