theriddlen said:
Good one, bro, also ROFL @ the fun fact, but hey, at least they're creative enough to make the damn site
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Poll: Mac versus PC: Let's be nice about it
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Good one, bro, also ROFL @ the fun fact, but hey, at least they're creative enough to make the damn site
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How are you supposed to validly say that?chris89300 said:
My system was brilliantly set up, the viruses i got slipped through my firewalls and Norton couldn't cure it.
Bsods came cause of specialist equipment including shitty drivers.
Some are luckier than others, a friend of mine got countless of Bsods on a NEW system.
The first thing my Dell XPS did when i switched it on for the first time was BSOD, don't tell me Windows is a completed system.
In my opinion its still in beta.
The only reason people rave about Seven is cause it fixed some error in Vista, its still not a proper system.
Well, basically every motherboard is going to give you a decent onboard sound card these days, what you'd be better off doing is assembling the system and then deciding what the default option does and does not afford you, and then picking up what fills the gap after. If you have something specific in mind I'd ask someone who does the type of recording you're interested in if they have anything special.ShakyFiend said:Thanks a lot
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This will never work because the "Mac Vs PC" deal has to be decided on a personal basis.
Personally, I tried Mac stuff. Adored it, and could weep at the notion of someone forcing me to go back to Windows.
Part of me wants to go Hackintosh/linux, or something of the like. I'd rather Linux over Windows. My stomach churns at the very notion of having to use any Microsoft OS, even for a matter of minutes. I don't know why, exactly, but since my Mac is working quite swimmingly for me, I will oblige these feelings.
I still can't quite get over that idea, though- this is just my computer. It does what I want it to do pretty well. (Including gaming, oddly enough.)
The anti-Mac sentiment is just built into the general social niche of "People who have a base enthusiasm for their computer." I, myself, am still suprised when I take a good look at my computer and go, "Oh, Damn, that's all white, and sleek and it has the logo of half-eaten fruit on it! How can I possibly be doing anything on it?"
But I do, and I love this thing. Its been the most reliable electronic I have ever owned, by far.
This will never work because the "Mac Vs PC" deal has to be decided on a personal basis.
Personally, I tried Mac stuff. Adored it, and could weep at the notion of someone forcing me to go back to Windows.
Part of me wants to go Hackintosh/linux, or something of the like. I'd rather Linux over Windows. My stomach churns at the very notion of having to use any Microsoft OS, even for a matter of minutes. I don't know why, exactly, but since my Mac is working quite swimmingly for me, I will oblige these feelings.
I still can't quite get over that idea, though- this is just my computer. It does what I want it to do pretty well. (Including gaming, oddly enough.)
The anti-Mac sentiment is just built into the general social niche of "People who have a base enthusiasm for their computer." I, myself, am still suprised when I take a good look at my computer and go, "Oh, Damn, that's all white, and sleek and it has the logo of half-eaten fruit on it! How can I possibly be doing anything on it?"
But I do, and I love this thing. Its been the most reliable electronic I have ever owned, by far.
This is just nonsense, very few people here know anyting aout technology. Macs are closed platform, and so by nature cannot be at the same hardware level as a self built computer can once a couple of months have passed.
The advantages stated are cosmetic at worst and minor at best(No viruses? Try 'No one bothers making viruses'. It is actually less secure than windows.)
Add the fact that Mac hardware (being closed platform) is often outrageously overpriced with very little variety, unlike PC(which is not a brand, dispite what some people seem to post) who has access to an entire industry of hardware items.
In the end, there is one reason people buy Macs: The brand. It has always been this way, for many years before it got popular. People would laud Macs as superior to the PC sheep, and yet were unable to justify with any serious points. In truth, they did it because it made them different, and had no idea as to the real disadvantages of it.
The advantages stated are cosmetic at worst and minor at best(No viruses? Try 'No one bothers making viruses'. It is actually less secure than windows.)
Add the fact that Mac hardware (being closed platform) is often outrageously overpriced with very little variety, unlike PC(which is not a brand, dispite what some people seem to post) who has access to an entire industry of hardware items.
In the end, there is one reason people buy Macs: The brand. It has always been this way, for many years before it got popular. People would laud Macs as superior to the PC sheep, and yet were unable to justify with any serious points. In truth, they did it because it made them different, and had no idea as to the real disadvantages of it.
I definitely prefer a PC with Windows. Why?
Because programming for the Xbox360, PS3, Wii and PC, along with all the buildsystems and associated plugins and CVS softwares would be a total nightmare on a Mac!
Because programming for the Xbox360, PS3, Wii and PC, along with all the buildsystems and associated plugins and CVS softwares would be a total nightmare on a Mac!
I prefer PC. Why? Macs, you (OP) clearly don't seem to understand, use the same hardware as PCs (WOW!). In fact the current Macs are selling with core i3, i5, and i7s - my PC is using an i5 750. Of course, Mac doesn't like to give you specifics about the cores. They don't ever actually say which core you're getting, they just give you the speed. That's a bit misleading because for example i5 CPUs have both dual and quad core varieties. Also you can get P55 mobos with i3, i5, and i7 compatibility so maybe they're giving you an i7 870 instead of an i7 950 on an X58 board, which would be superior for gaming. As for the hardware itself, Mac liscenses the designs from companies like Asus, called "original design manufacturers".
Oh, wait, gaming on a Mac? Possible, yes, but you simply cannot get a good GPU for it. The best Macs have half the GPU horsepower as I put in my PC.
Finally, if you buy a PC with the exact (or as close as possible) specs as a mac, the PC will be hundreds less.
As for Mac OS vs Windows, it's give and take. Win XP and Windows 7 are both great OSes. Original Mac OS was fine I thought but I have friends with Macs and they get frustrated with Mac OS issues.
Aside from that I prefer the openness of PCs. The "walled garden" of Apple isn't good for growth, but it does protect the system. That said, I literally have never had my PC infected with a virus that causes any sort of damage. That's what anti virus programs are for - that, and be careful where you download your porn! (Or, just download in general).
And as for hardware stability... well I already pointed out how similar they are. To be honest getting a Mac is somewhat like getting a Dell or a Gateway or HP... they all are quite limited selection wise and give you parts as cheap as possible. My last couple PCs have had zero issues with hardware beyond things I personally caused.
But anyway, I'm a custom PC builder so I guess my view is skewed as so many people are going to compare to prebuilts like Dell etc which really aren't that good of quality and honestly have pretty silly part matchups like PSUs that can barely handle the system and often very weak GPUs paired with strong CPUs and then call it a "gaming" system.
Oh, wait, gaming on a Mac? Possible, yes, but you simply cannot get a good GPU for it. The best Macs have half the GPU horsepower as I put in my PC.
Finally, if you buy a PC with the exact (or as close as possible) specs as a mac, the PC will be hundreds less.
As for Mac OS vs Windows, it's give and take. Win XP and Windows 7 are both great OSes. Original Mac OS was fine I thought but I have friends with Macs and they get frustrated with Mac OS issues.
Aside from that I prefer the openness of PCs. The "walled garden" of Apple isn't good for growth, but it does protect the system. That said, I literally have never had my PC infected with a virus that causes any sort of damage. That's what anti virus programs are for - that, and be careful where you download your porn! (Or, just download in general).
And as for hardware stability... well I already pointed out how similar they are. To be honest getting a Mac is somewhat like getting a Dell or a Gateway or HP... they all are quite limited selection wise and give you parts as cheap as possible. My last couple PCs have had zero issues with hardware beyond things I personally caused.
But anyway, I'm a custom PC builder so I guess my view is skewed as so many people are going to compare to prebuilts like Dell etc which really aren't that good of quality and honestly have pretty silly part matchups like PSUs that can barely handle the system and often very weak GPUs paired with strong CPUs and then call it a "gaming" system.
Bender Rodriguez said:
If you're even remotely connected to electronics, you know that computers, MACs included are all shipped with stuff that I consider malware. As an advanced user, it's your DUTY to know better than to keep them. Obviously, if you don't, those half-assed excuses for security suites/whatever else will cause problems.
And no one uses Norton, it's a piece of shit, a virus in itself.
BTW: a virus doesn't "slip" thru a firewall, firewalls were never intended to keep viruses out, but you already know (read: have no clue) that, huh? Also, stop clicking on every ad you see, then you won't get a shitload of viruses.
Seven is actually good. A lot of shit has changed in the interface, which makes me lose a lot of time while trying to configure something simple, but it's got a lot of features that help performance even under high loads.
Vista was a piece of shit, but more because of retarded design choices - like VRAM caching and shit than because of a shitload of bugs. Some stuff just aren't meant to go together. It was pretty much just like Windows ME, a total failure.
To be honest, I'm surprised we didn't need a computer from space to run that Vista thing.
But they fixed a lot of it with the SPs, I tested it.
Knowing how to use a word processor doesn't make you an advanced user, mate, it only qualifies you in using a typewriter.
Get your facts straight next time, man.
Bolded texts are my comments.
Derp.Faladorian said:Mac:
---Pros---
*Exceptional hardware
For the most part untrue. Macs now use the exact same hardware that PCs do except for the type of RAM they use.
*Innovative design
Highly subjective. Their mice are terrible for gaming, and I hate their keyboards, since the tactile response I get from them are utter crap.
*One foot ahead
(technologically)
False, most hardware that is found on a Mac has been out on PC for some time. Especially when you consider workstation graphics chips (which Mac users claim Macs do things better at).
*Aesthetics
Subjective.
*Master of nanotechnology
Debatable. The iPhone 4 isn't all that great compared to other phones. I do have an iPod Touch, and although I really like it, I wish it had built-in FLAC support. Also getting around to not using iTunes is a total pain in the ass.
*Low virus charter.
Most people who write viruses won't spend time writing one for a platform that isn't nearly as used as PCs. Still, Apple recommends installing an anti-virus on your Mac. Also there are indeed iPod viruses.
*Strong, outlasting shells
Overall, I'd agree. Then again, for PCs you have many more choices in computer cases. Mine is made out of painted steel, and it's built like a tank.
---Cons---
*Counter-intuitive OS
Subjective. Many Mac users love MacOS. I'm not a fan, but it's definitely not counter-intuitive.
*Closed-source OS
Closed source just means that the source code isn't freely available. The same applies to Windows. I think what you mean is that the OS is not as open to user additions or modifications.
*More expensive.
By a long shot.
*Expensive warranty.
The warranty is indeed expensive, but they provide for good support. They'll replace broken parts... given some time, though.
PC:
---Pros---
*(usually)Easier to customize.
Yes
*More affordable.
Yes x2
*Open-source.
I'd explain the improper use of the term, but you get the idea, so yes. It's more open to modifications.
*Wide variety of applications
That's a given.
*Virtual monopoly on video games.
Steam is hopefully going to change that. And maybe Mac prices will go down too.
*Constantly building upon itself.
Not sure what you mean here. Care to elaborate?
*Being the most popular, it can also
make things easier (a more pc-oriented
world)
Mostly.
---Cons---
*Viruses, viruses, viruses!
This depends greatly on how well the user protects himself. For the average joe, I'd agree, PC's are far more prone to viruses. See my Mac comment on why that is.
*Frequent errors and crashes.
If there are frequent errors and crashes, that's usually due to the user's input. Something is wrong, and errors and crashes are the computer's way of telling you that. Macs can crash too by the way, I've done it at work on several occasions.
*Obnoxious security system (Windows 7)
You mean UAC? There's a switch, and you can turn it off. Vista was much more of a pain in the ass on that front.
*Vulnerable (non-isolated) core files
That's all part of being more customizable. Granted, the main core files are protected. Basically, this is a common fallacy often touted because of the higher number of viruses found on the PC end of the spectrum
*Comparatively fragile hardware.
Impossible to say. Some manufacturers make cheap PC components, some make very high quality components. This all depends on who the user buys from, and how (if at all) they put it all together. Yet again, my case is made of steel and dense plastic. It's not breaking any time soon. (It's also worth noting, those that make Mac components also make PC components).
*Tendency to overheat.
If someone's PC is overheating, then it is incorrectly built; or it needs to be cleaned. The same rules apply to the macs as well. My case has dust filters, I doubt any Macs have that.
there should be mac with OSX and windows since that is what I do... both have faults both have great aspects so why not go with both in one if you can.
Titanium: 12 inches x 12 inches - $70.00 no tooling or finishing. There is no way an macbook is made of titanium. It is cheap aluminum probably composited with a plastic under-layer.Faladorian said:
With an aluminum shell once you get past the elastic deformation period you will have permanent damage. This point is much lower in metals in comparison to plastics.
Well, no, 16 cores means absolutely nothing. No game can multi-thread onto 16 cores, and each core is comparatively slow. 16 cores is only good for parallel calculations required for advanced 3-d modeling. Also the graphics card(s) are not fully customizable, and you cannot OC the computer.Flac00 said:
For the 10K you would spend on that rig you could build 10 that could do the same.
No viruses is total crap you know that though.
"High Quality" hardware is the same stuff used all computers.
Durable? What if I want a ruggedized unit for a field study? Apple does not make those.
The built in software is no better than what you can get free online or from Microsoft.
It's really not. That's my impression of both Mac and PC. If you disagree, you must have a different opinion, and I'd like to hear it as opposed to simply being called a troll for not saying "Mac sucks" or "PC sucks"Implying I said:
First of all, I was leaving an awful lot of commentary early on, and by this point my inbox is at thirty-something quotes. You must be missing my rebuttals and opinions, or disregarding them.ciortas1 said:
I've said many times, again, that the point of this thread is not to point out who is right and who is wrong, I want to hear the opinions and justifications of people. Anything from:
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is fine. Your comments aren't. If all you're going to do is call me a troll for disagreeing, you're not welcome here.Jester00 said: