Poll: Mac versus PC: Let's be nice about it

[Delusibeta]

Mandatory:
I realize it's a bit outdated now, with Valve's porting their (post-Half Life 2) wares to OS X, but you get the general gist.

 

[Bender Rodriguez]

Mac here, was an advanced PC user up to 4 years ago.
I just got tiered of all the shit, viruses, bluscreen, crapware included etc...

I'd like to go on the statement "Take better care of your computer!"

I've had this thing for YEARS

Only had 2 viruses that caused damage (both my mom's fault- repaired the computer once, took it to a professional once)
And it's only blue-screened once

I looked it up online and it was something to do with my logitech drivers, I fixed the problem in about 2 minutes

I've no idea what you mean by "Crapware" though

I told you i was an advanced user, i did take good care of my machines.
Yet i got infected 2 or three times, my computer randomly crashed once when i was doing a report.
Got bluscreens several times while connecting equipment cause of faulty or outdated drivers.

Now, onto the word crapware.
Its shit installed by the manufacturer - People paid me to clean their computers before using them.
So much shit on there, looking at you in particular Acer.

Sure things have gotten better, and you can avoid the majority by doing clean installs.
I was a PC user ages ago in "computer years"

Don't insult my intelligence m8, respect others opinions.

The Mac is wonderful, tweak-able and very easy to take complete control over - People say its not advanced, its just as advanced as Linux or Windows.
The UI just seems to fool people into thinking its for 40 something parents and hipsters.

Heres a fun fact, my level of stress went down after switching.
I want my system to function without a hitch, lagging while scrolling.
Random hiccups and freezing for 5 seconds for no fucking reason was getting on my nerves.
Thinking of it just got me to swear.

An advanced user never gets BSoDs or crashes or lags OR least of all, malware ...
I've been using Windows for years without any antivirus/firewall/etc. The last BSoD I got was when I was using Windows 98.

How are you supposed to validly say that?
My system was brilliantly set up, the viruses i got slipped through my firewalls and Norton couldn't cure it.
Bsods came cause of specialist equipment including shitty drivers.

Some are luckier than others, a friend of mine got countless of Bsods on a NEW system.
The first thing my Dell XPS did when i switched it on for the first time was BSOD, don't tell me Windows is a completed system.

In my opinion its still in beta.
The only reason people rave about Seven is cause it fixed some error in Vista, its still not a proper system.

If you're even remotely connected to electronics, you know that computers, MACs included are all shipped with stuff that I consider malware. As an advanced user, it's your DUTY to know better than to keep them. Obviously, if you don't, those half-assed excuses for security suites/whatever else will cause problems.

And no one uses Norton, it's a piece of shit, a virus in itself.

BTW: a virus doesn't "slip" thru a firewall, firewalls were never intended to keep viruses out, but you already know (read: have no clue) that, huh? Also, stop clicking on every ad you see, then you won't get a shitload of viruses.


Seven is actually good. A lot of shit has changed in the interface, which makes me lose a lot of time while trying to configure something simple, but it's got a lot of features that help performance even under high loads.

Vista was a piece of shit, but more because of retarded design choices - like VRAM caching and shit than because of a shitload of bugs. Some stuff just aren't meant to go together. It was pretty much just like Windows ME, a total failure.

To be honest, I'm surprised we didn't need a computer from space to run that Vista thing.

But they fixed a lot of it with the SPs, I tested it.

Knowing how to use a word processor doesn't make you an advanced user, mate, it only qualifies you in using a typewriter.

Get your facts straight next time, man.

The Mac does not ship with anything other than the OS and some small programs that help out.

Norton is a capable antivirus suite, or at least it was when i used it way back.

I know viruses don't slip through firewalls, stop making silly accusations - Your obviously a very angry person.
Same thing goes with ads, i never clicked any ads...why are you accusing me of it?
Don't you know you can get hacked over WiFi?

Seven is shit, its just not dried up yet so you can wipe some of it off.

And lastly, how are you supposed to know anything at all about my computer history - Seek some anger management man.
Fact is i knew pretty much everything about the OS i was using from Windows 95 to Vista, been working on networks and fixed computers a lot.

Its quite low saying that I'm a self claimed advanced user just by using a word processor.

You take a chill pill, would like to see how you behaved if you met me.
Most of the people discussing this over internet have raging e-penises.

 

[vongola_mist_daemon]

one of my friends said MAC is the future he is currently gone missing lol

 

[dakorok]

This is why I play PC. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Macintosh_games.]

 

[Faladorian]

If all you're going to do is call me a troll for disagreeing, you're not welcome here.

Unfortunately, this is the majority of your rebuttals, coupled with "it's about opinions people", which, when run through a bullshit translator either means "everything is an opinion" or "I don't care about facts". The once or twice you tried to defend your points, and even then only 2 or 3 of them, you've been quoted again, proven wrong and left it at that. I've read all the posts, seriously, stop this.

This is about opinions. I presented mine, and I asked others to present theirs. Never did I say which one is better (since neither is better. They're competitors, but neither is superior).
Let me relay my points:
I have a Mac that uses Windows
I like Mac hardware
I dislike Mac software

I'm at a completely neutral position here. Without Apple, I wouldn't have my computer, and without Microsoft, it wouldn't run the way I want it to. How can that possibly be biased?

 

[chris89300]

Mac here, was an advanced PC user up to 4 years ago.
I just got tiered of all the shit, viruses, bluscreen, crapware included etc...

I'd like to go on the statement "Take better care of your computer!"

I've had this thing for YEARS

Only had 2 viruses that caused damage (both my mom's fault- repaired the computer once, took it to a professional once)
And it's only blue-screened once

I looked it up online and it was something to do with my logitech drivers, I fixed the problem in about 2 minutes

I've no idea what you mean by "Crapware" though

"My system was brilliantly set up, the viruses i got slipped through my firewalls and Norton couldn't cure it."

I told you i was an advanced user, i did take good care of my machines.
Yet i got infected 2 or three times, my computer randomly crashed once when i was doing a report.
Got bluscreens several times while connecting equipment cause of faulty or outdated drivers.

Now, onto the word crapware.
Its shit installed by the manufacturer - People paid me to clean their computers before using them.
So much shit on there, looking at you in particular Acer.

Sure things have gotten better, and you can avoid the majority by doing clean installs.
I was a PC user ages ago in "computer years"

Don't insult my intelligence m8, respect others opinions.

The Mac is wonderful, tweak-able and very easy to take complete control over - People say its not advanced, its just as advanced as Linux or Windows.
The UI just seems to fool people into thinking its for 40 something parents and hipsters.

Heres a fun fact, my level of stress went down after switching.
I want my system to function without a hitch, lagging while scrolling.
Random hiccups and freezing for 5 seconds for no fucking reason was getting on my nerves.
Thinking of it just got me to swear.

An advanced user never gets BSoDs or crashes or lags OR least of all, malware ...
I've been using Windows for years without any antivirus/firewall/etc. The last BSoD I got was when I was using Windows 98.

How are you supposed to validly say that?
My system was brilliantly set up, the viruses i got slipped through my firewalls and Norton couldn't cure it.
Bsods came cause of specialist equipment including shitty drivers.

Some are luckier than others, a friend of mine got countless of Bsods on a NEW system.
The first thing my Dell XPS did when i switched it on for the first time was BSOD, don't tell me Windows is a completed system.

In my opinion its still in beta.
The only reason people rave about Seven is cause it fixed some error in Vista, its still not a proper system.

If you're even remotely connected to electronics, you know that computers, MACs included are all shipped with stuff that I consider malware. As an advanced user, it's your DUTY to know better than to keep them. Obviously, if you don't, those half-assed excuses for security suites/whatever else will cause problems.

And no one uses Norton, it's a piece of shit, a virus in itself.

BTW: a virus doesn't "slip" thru a firewall, firewalls were never intended to keep viruses out, but you already know (read: have no clue) that, huh? Also, stop clicking on every ad you see, then you won't get a shitload of viruses.


Seven is actually good. A lot of shit has changed in the interface, which makes me lose a lot of time while trying to configure something simple, but it's got a lot of features that help performance even under high loads.

Vista was a piece of shit, but more because of retarded design choices - like VRAM caching and shit than because of a shitload of bugs. Some stuff just aren't meant to go together. It was pretty much just like Windows ME, a total failure.

To be honest, I'm surprised we didn't need a computer from space to run that Vista thing.

But they fixed a lot of it with the SPs, I tested it.

Knowing how to use a word processor doesn't make you an advanced user, mate, it only qualifies you in using a typewriter.

Get your facts straight next time, man.

The Mac does not ship with anything other than the OS and some small programs that help out.

Norton is a capable antivirus suite, or at least it was when i used it way back.

I know viruses don't slip through firewalls, stop making silly accusations - Your obviously a very angry person.
Same thing goes with ads, i never clicked any ads...why are you accusing me of it?
Don't you know you can get hacked over WiFi?

Seven is shit, its just not dried up yet so you can wipe some of it off.

And lastly, how are you supposed to know anything at all about my computer history - Seek some anger management man.
Fact is i knew pretty much everything about the OS i was using from Windows 95 to Vista, been working on networks and fixed computers a lot.

Its quite low saying that I'm a self claimed advanced user just by using a word processor.

You take a chill pill, would like to see how you behaved if you met me.
Most of the people discussing this over internet have raging e-penises.

IRL, I would most probably laugh at you.

 

[Aeshi]

Maybe I'd start using non-Apple computers when the Anti-Apple fanatics have an argument other than mindlessly parroting the same 20-year-out-of-date facts like they're the word of god. The fact that the only argument that has weight to it is dependent on where you live, a matter of opinion and rather hypocritical considering who it usually comes from doesn't hurt either.

Also I've found the argument of "More Games" loses a lot of it's weight when you realise that the games in question can be summed up as either "Shitty £40 console port where you can't progress because the hacking minigame still requires the right analog stick", "Just plain shitty" or "£7 Flash Game"

 

[Raikoin]

Voted Mac with Windows but I mostly use OSX, I just like to have the option.

First a personal point, windows does my head in after switching to Mac OS and trying to go back for school work, I don;t know why it just does. Yay for the University I'm going to exclusively using Apple computers in the departments I'll be in.

It's come to the point where I use OSX for work and general stuff and have opted to Cider port single-player games for saving the whole switching operating systems. Then I have windows installed so if say, I still haven't installed office on OSX but i need to open a powerpoint I can. Or, if I want to play a game like Age of Empires online with some friends, I can (online play through cider ports isn't to great from my experience).

It comes down to Apple's hardware being far more solid in my experience but windows being the far more popular operating system for working with other people, I solve this by buying a mac, installing both operating systems on it and have the good points from both. Ie, I payed a little more for hardware that allows for the best options of both OS'. I'll wait for that last bit to be dragged out into how I payed so much more and could have gotten it cheaper etc etc.

 

[Flac00]

With an unlimited budget, the mac is the best computer, period. But, because of budget issues most people aren't willing to go mac. Still, the best gaming computer has got to be the Mac Pro, which is already a beast before any upgrades. It has 16 cores!!!
Here are my pros and cons

Mac
Pros:
-High quality software (built in)
-No viruses
-Upgraded iPhone and iPad support
-High quality build in hardware
-Durable hardware
-Can run Windows in Bootcamp

Cons:
-Expensive
-Less customisable (except on Mini's and Pro's)
-Small game library
-Flash is really screwed up

Well, no, 16 cores means absolutely nothing. No game can multi-thread onto 16 cores, and each core is comparatively slow. 16 cores is only good for parallel calculations required for advanced 3-d modeling. Also the graphics card(s) are not fully customizable, and you cannot OC the computer.

For the 10K you would spend on that rig you could build 10 that could do the same.
No viruses is total crap you know that though.
"High Quality" hardware is the same stuff used all computers.
Durable? What if I want a ruggedized unit for a field study? Apple does not make those.
The built in software is no better than what you can get free online or from Microsoft.

Woah, 10k. Naw, it is 2500 to 4000 at most. Also, the computer is extremely powerful in both processing and graphics. I will disagree with you on many points. Sure, the computers arn't field study durable, but you can just buy as hardened case for them. The "High Quality" stuff I am talking about is how the computers DO NOT EVER BREAK DOWN. Literally, i have had a mac for decade and a half, and it still runs fine. And the built in software is better than the PC software. It is more simplistic to do complex maneuvers, and transfer files quickly. I can do things on my mac that take 4x as long on any other PC I have tried (a lot, especially ones with Win7).

 

[Hashime]

With an unlimited budget, the mac is the best computer, period. But, because of budget issues most people aren't willing to go mac. Still, the best gaming computer has got to be the Mac Pro, which is already a beast before any upgrades. It has 16 cores!!!
Here are my pros and cons

Mac
Pros:
-High quality software (built in)
-No viruses
-Upgraded iPhone and iPad support
-High quality build in hardware
-Durable hardware
-Can run Windows in Bootcamp

Cons:
-Expensive
-Less customisable (except on Mini's and Pro's)
-Small game library
-Flash is really screwed up

Well, no, 16 cores means absolutely nothing. No game can multi-thread onto 16 cores, and each core is comparatively slow. 16 cores is only good for parallel calculations required for advanced 3-d modeling. Also the graphics card(s) are not fully customizable, and you cannot OC the computer.

For the 10K you would spend on that rig you could build 10 that could do the same.
No viruses is total crap you know that though.
"High Quality" hardware is the same stuff used all computers.
Durable? What if I want a ruggedized unit for a field study? Apple does not make those.
The built in software is no better than what you can get free online or from Microsoft.

Woah, 10k. Naw, it is 2500 to 4000 at most. Also, the computer is extremely powerful in both processing and graphics. I will disagree with you on many points. Sure, the computers arn't field study durable, but you can just buy as hardened case for them. The "High Quality" stuff I am talking about is how the computers DO NOT EVER BREAK DOWN. Literally, i have had a mac for decade and a half, and it still runs fine. And the built in software is better than the PC software. It is more simplistic to do complex maneuvers, and transfer files quickly. I can do things on my mac that take 4x as long on any other PC I have tried (a lot, especially ones with Win7).

You cannot say the computers never break down, if they never broke down why would things like the warranty or apple repair services exist? Since you do not use a windows based computer how can you compare the built in softwares? File transfer also has nothing to do with software, it is a hardware issue, so if the windows computer you used was a cheap library dell I am not surprised. The OS has nothing to do with the speed of the computer. I can Tell me how much you paid for yours and we will benchmark and compare. I paid $1100 to build mine including OS and relevant software. We will see who gets better performance / dollar.

 

[Faladorian]

Except that you've also brought along a couple (well, more than a couple) of misconceptions/misinformations in your original post that have been pointed out more times than I have appendages and you haven't acknowledged that. Also, I'd like to find out what precisely you like about the Mac hardware because it's a fact that the PCs have it cheaper, better and more customisable, meaning the only push Macs have behind it is the mindset of the Apple consumer, the marketing and the software (as in the simplicity of the OSX + one program used by roughly 0.01% of the modern population) that frankly is used as a rationalisation more than anything.

Without Apple your computer wouldn't be overpriced. That's all that would change.

I'd be interested to know what supposed misinformation I've posted, since I'm talking about my personal experience.

Also, I like having a partition that's on Snow Leopard. If I ever have to wipe my hard drive, it won't be nearly as much of an ordeal as if I had just Windows.

You make it sound like I didn't compare prices before buying. I did. My computer was $700, and I was willing to spend just a little bit more for a product that was going to last longer than a bunch of hardware clamped in a plastic shell. And yes, they do last longer.

one program used by roughly 0.01% of the modern population

I'd like to know what application you're referring to. Whatever it is, I'm sure 0.01% is a ridiculous hyperbole.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

one program used by roughly 0.01% of the modern population

I'd like to know what application you're referring to. Whatever it is, I'm sure 0.01% is a ridiculous hyperbole.

I think ciortas1 is talking about Final Cut, which wouldn't be ridiculous it'd be somewhat generous.

 

[Faladorian]

one program used by roughly 0.01% of the modern population

I'd like to know what application you're referring to. Whatever it is, I'm sure 0.01% is a ridiculous hyperbole.

I think ciortas1 is talking about Final Cut, which wouldn't be ridiculous it'd be somewhat generous.

He might be right on that one, then. I figured he was talking about GarageBand or something

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

I should probably throw in with my actual opinions.

Voted Self-Built with Windows because I prefer the flexability and options it offers at all price points for both hardware and software, making it much easier to match budget to needs. The amount of control and customisation it allows me is also another point in it's favour.

 

[Waaghpowa]

Bolded texts are my comments.
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Derp.

You said it before I could, there are so many misconceptions when it comes to the whole apple vs pc debate. From experience I'd still say that pc is better overall just for the kind of freedom I'm given. I've been using windows since the glory days of MS DOS and even dabbled in Linux, to me apple OS is oversimplified like a kiddy playground with all the sharp corners rounded off because they expect to hurt yourself, whereas I see the sharp corners as a potential to learn something and gain some experience.

 

[TBPride]

My family has used macs since forever so I have a macbook pro but I needed a PC for school so I have a PC laptop as well. I am way more used to the Mac OS, so I prefer to use the macbook for internet, watching movies, etc. The PC is mostly for school and starting FTP MMOs with friends. I'm still trying to puzzle out how the heck you're supposed to find anything on it, since I have no idea where anything default saves to. I'm sure I'll learn eventually though. Also, I'm a console gamer so I don't really feel like I need a gaming rig, but if I ever do I'll go PC just cause I don't think I could afford my own mac... If Apple would just price their stuff reasonably they would sell a lot more computers. So all of that boils down to: meh, they're about the same overall.