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runtheplacered said:
a7r0p05 said:
runtheplacered said:
a7r0p05 said:
Yes.
I have seen multiple people that I was very close friends with have their lives completely go to the shithouse soon after they started to smoke it.
Even if that's true, which I'd love to hear the tale of how that could have happened (I have a feeling we're blaming pot, when maybe we should be blaming personalities) how is that evidence of addiction?
How would it be more reasonable to blame personalities? And yes, I am blaming pot.
Your asking me why I'd rather blame the personality of said human being rather then pot for their behavior? I'm not even sure that deserves an answer. It sounds like a smartass comment to me.

EDIT - Alright, I felt bad and have to say more. Maybe you really aren't putting things together and really are that naive.

We've already discussed how marijuana is not addictive. So, if your friends lives were really in the "shithouse" from it, they could have easily stopped at any point in time, if they had the "personality" to look at themselves and notice their situation. But, apparently they didn't.

Now, there's no chance marijuana ruined their lives. Or anyone elses. I'm sorry, but the drug just doesn't work that way. It doesn't make you beat your wife. It doesn't make you sell your appliances for "just another couple tokes". It doesn't even make you drive into telephone polls or miss work from a hangover.

You can go ahead and blame pot if you want to. But that doesn't automatically make it reality just because you believe something. In fact, you sound a whole lot like the 1936 movie Reefer Madness. Personally, I could care less about your anecdotal evidence. I have science on my side. You have some random story that you have yet to actually explain.

Now with all of that said, why did you ignore my question about what your claim has to do with addiction? I was counting on you to answer that question.
That has to do with addiction because, in my opinion, when something has such a high priority on your list of things to do that things that are really important fall to the wayside, that is an addiction. Let's say it does have everything to do with their personality, show me one non-anecdotal piece of evidence that suggests that the science is on your side for that one. Link to a respectable source or something. Plus, even if it does have to do with their personality, aren't they still addicted? Chemical addictions and physical addictions are not the only kind.

P.S.- Wikipedia doesn't count.
 

Good morning blues

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That has to do with addiction because, in my opinion, when something has such a high priority on your list of things to do that things that are really important fall to the wayside, that is an addiction. Let's say it does have everything to do with their personality, show me one non-anecdotal piece of evidence that suggests that the science is on your side for that one. Link to a respectable source or something. Plus, even if it does have to do with their personality, aren't they still addicted? Chemical addictions and physical addictions are not the only kind.

P.S.- Wikipedia doesn't count.
Somebody try to argue against the definition of addiction that I just subjectively pulled out of my ass. Wikipedia doesn't count. Chemical and physical addictions aren't the only kinds of addicitions, jerks, what about the one that I just made up just now??!?
 

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"I've never understood the divide between "physical dependency" and "mental dependency". Shouldn't any kind of psychological or chemical issue be a physical one? Unless you are a dualist I guess..."

Physical dependency means that there is a higher then normal level of a chemical inside of you that your body has become used to. When that chemical is suddenly removed or lowered, the body physically reacts, like when someone trying to quit smoking goes through mood swings or an alcoholic going through depression. It's not just in their head, its their body reacting to the lack of the chemical as well.

A mental dependency is when the addiction exists only in your brain, like becoming used to feeling a certain way or getting used to a habit. Any physical effects in this type of addiction are the result of your body becoming influenced by your mental state.

But recent studies show that our emotions and actions might be the result of various chemical reactions within our bodies so the difference between the two addictions can be debatable. I guess the difference is a physical addiction stems from the body, which then proceeds to effect the mind, while a mental addiction is the opposite.
 

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As far as I know, marijuana itself is not addicting, but dealers add chemicals to it to increase its potency which make it addictive. I voted "no".
 

Siuss

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Pot should seriously replace cigarettes on the legality scale. I mean seriously both make you feel good right? Yes, they do don't try and argue that. The difference? Cigarettes kill people, there is no lack of evidence to prove it, they simply kill people. Pot really isn't any more addicting than gaming.

Let's put this into perspective. You get a name game, you play it like all night, then you have to go to school the next day. That day your' concentration on class is going to be declined, and that's pretty much all you're going to talk about. Now you go home and have a bunch of homework, you are going to play and not do homework. Sound familiar?
 

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Siuss said:
Pot should seriously replace cigarettes on the legality scale. I mean seriously both make you feel good right? Yes, they do don't try and argue that. The difference? Cigarettes kill people, there is no lack of evidence to prove it, they simply kill people. Pot really isn't any more addicting than gaming.

Let's put this into perspective. You get a name game, you play it like all night, then you have to go to school the next day. That day your' concentration on class is going to be declined, and that's pretty much all you're going to talk about. Now you go home and have a bunch of homework, you are going to play and not do homework. Sound familiar?
I should point out that smoking marijuana is about as unhealthy as smoking tobacco because it's not filtered and the user tends to hold it in their lungs for as long as possible (although it doesn't have the toxic shit that you'll find in a cigarette added to it) - basically, inhaling smoke is inhaling smoke. The difference is that with pot, you can mix it with butter and put it in your baking, or spread it on some toast, or make some tea out of it, or use a vaporizer, or any of a wide array of other ways of using it, most of which bring more THC into your system than smoking it, thusly meaning that you need less pot for the same high.
 

runtheplacered

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a7r0p05 said:
runtheplacered said:
a7r0p05 said:
runtheplacered said:
a7r0p05 said:
Yes.
I have seen multiple people that I was very close friends with have their lives completely go to the shithouse soon after they started to smoke it.
Even if that's true, which I'd love to hear the tale of how that could have happened (I have a feeling we're blaming pot, when maybe we should be blaming personalities) how is that evidence of addiction?
How would it be more reasonable to blame personalities? And yes, I am blaming pot.
Your asking me why I'd rather blame the personality of said human being rather then pot for their behavior? I'm not even sure that deserves an answer. It sounds like a smartass comment to me.

EDIT - Alright, I felt bad and have to say more. Maybe you really aren't putting things together and really are that naive.

We've already discussed how marijuana is not addictive. So, if your friends lives were really in the "shithouse" from it, they could have easily stopped at any point in time, if they had the "personality" to look at themselves and notice their situation. But, apparently they didn't.

Now, there's no chance marijuana ruined their lives. Or anyone elses. I'm sorry, but the drug just doesn't work that way. It doesn't make you beat your wife. It doesn't make you sell your appliances for "just another couple tokes". It doesn't even make you drive into telephone polls or miss work from a hangover.

You can go ahead and blame pot if you want to. But that doesn't automatically make it reality just because you believe something. In fact, you sound a whole lot like the 1936 movie Reefer Madness. Personally, I could care less about your anecdotal evidence. I have science on my side. You have some random story that you have yet to actually explain.

Now with all of that said, why did you ignore my question about what your claim has to do with addiction? I was counting on you to answer that question.
That has to do with addiction because, in my opinion, when something has such a high priority on your list of things to do that things that are really important fall to the wayside, that is an addiction. Let's say it does have everything to do with their personality, show me one non-anecdotal piece of evidence that suggests that the science is on your side for that one. Link to a respectable source or something. Plus, even if it does have to do with their personality, aren't they still addicted? Chemical addictions and physical addictions are not the only kind.

P.S.- Wikipedia doesn't count.
http://www.scienceblog.com/cms/study-say-marijuana-no-gateway-drug-12116.html
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2004/05/18/601/89840
http://www.io.com/~patrik/sri_lies.htm

Nobody is saying you can't make a habit out of smoking pot. But what we are saying is that you can make a habit of anything that's considered a verb.
 

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I smoke everyday most of the time (5-6 joints). My life did take a turn for the worse when i first started smoking (about 10 years ago, was still in school), but once i passed that adjustment period it wasn't a problem (got my grades back to where they were before i started smoking it, without stopping smoking it). You could say i'm addicted, cos i smoke it whenever i feel like it, but if i cant get it, i don't care and i dont try to substitute it with anything else. I know plenty of people who smoked as heavily as i do or worse and who gave it up no problems. I don't know anyone who smoked it and couldn't stop or had to get help. My sister tried to commit suicide earlier this year (not drug realted) and while i was visiting her i met a guy who claimed to be addicted to weed and was there to get help. BUT after talking to him for a while i found out he was also addicted to coca cola, ginger nut biscuits, macdonalds and a bunch of other stuff. Basically its not weed the guy was addicted to, but he was addicted to addictions. He confessed he was glad no one had ever given him any harder drugs. So for all those people who know people whose lives have been ruined by weed, was it really ruined or did they just have a hard time adjusting or did they have an addictive personality. Oh and being busted by the police doesn't count, cos its not the weed smoking that ruined things for them, it was just the getting caught. That is, if it wasn't illegal they wouldn't have had any problems.

So in conclusion i think it is addictive in the same way that computer games and tv is addictive. Its just something to do between now and then.

There is one thing i disagree with and that is that marijuanna MIGHT just make you drive into a telegraph pole. While stoned your concentration and reflexes are slightly impaired. I never drive stoned. Drunk is way worse and quite frankly people who smoke cigarettes while driving or talk on the phone are more likely to have an accident than a stoned person. But a stoned person is more likely to have an accident than a straight one.
 

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Okay so i'm not done talking yet...

Zetona said:
As far as I know, marijuana itself is not addicting, but dealers add chemicals to it to increase its potency which make it addictive. I voted "no".
Where i come from this is known as "laced". Some people like it, but they generally take the harder drug that the weed is laced with on its own anyway. If those that don't take harder drugs find out some weed they smoked was laced they generally get rather upset. I have tried pretty much everything short of heroine, but i didn't like any of them except weed (and mushrooms once a year, but thats a different tale). The one time i got given laced stuff and didn't know it was i never went back to get from that guy again.

I am currently studying genetic engineering at university (yes i really am and i really smoke lots of weed too) and over half the people studying with me smoke it regularly (once a day or more). Now i'm not getting spectacular grades (cos i've always been lazy since i was spoilt as a child), but the highest GPA (Grade Point Average) in my year is a girl who smokes more than i do. The difference is she is a highly motivated person. Marijuana does not affect our intelligence, i just happen to be worse at life in general than her.

I know i'm just bad at some aspects of life in general, but i don't blame weed. However i have seen lots of people who do blame weed even though its not the culprit. Its natural for people to look for something other than themselves to blame and this may even help. Placing the blame on marijuanna and then giving it up will have a placebo effect which may just allow the person to attain the mental state they are after.

Addiction-wise you're probably slightly better off smoking weed. Cigarettes contain nasty chemicals that just dont occur in weed. Someone else pointed out that you can take weed by eating it, but this is a practice generally reserved for being stoned for an entire day. The reason is that the dosage is harder to control and the time from ingestion to effect differs from person to person. So its not a good idea to allow the same amount of time you would for a joint to have its effect and then leave you, because it could be way longer. Water pipes and bongs (which are not the same thing) pass the smoke through water first which helps to filter out some of the nasties much like a filter in a cigarette. In fact smoking tobacco through a water pipe or bong would be better for you as well.

Its true that you could not on your own smoke enough marijuanna to kill yourself. You will fall asleep or be unable to manipulate the paraphenalia (pipe, bong, lighter, papers etc) long before you even near dangerous levels. It is plausible that with assistance it might be possible, but this would therefore by definition be murder or at least manslaughter.

There was a case where a brain surgeon was smoking weed when he wasn't at work. The board that reviewed his case cleared him of all charges, stating that no evidence could be presented that his abilities were affected when he came into work the next day. I know this really did happen, but i cant find it on the internet anywhere so i can't back it up, but trust me this really happened.

Marijuanas big stigma apparently comes from american president Truman (or however you spell it). He had scientists do research into marijuana and cannabis so that he could show the american people how bad it was. When the scientists report did not support his theory he destroyed the documents (and technically committed treason against the american government as destruction of any official government document is treason) and published propaganda films and advertising anyway. Since then everything has been confused as some have been citing as scientific research works of fiction.

Another important point to make is that THC is not the only canabinoid (prolly spelt that wrong). THC is the one which gives you feelings of well being. Other canabinoids make you tired or lethargic (body stoned, it is possible for the mind to be normal while the body is stoned), shorten attention span, delay reflexes, inhibit pain and other minor effects.

I am completely open with my GP about how much i smoke. As far as he's concerned if its not bothering me or affecting the rest of my life the only reason to stop is because i'm smoking something (smoking anything, he doesn't care what i'm smoking only that i'm breathing in lots of carbon).

Anywho... Addictive to some, but not a problem addiction like cigarettes, alcohol, meth-amphetamine, cocaine, heroine, or if your american... Fast food you fat bastards.
 

Akula

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"There is one thing i disagree with and that is that marijuanna MIGHT just make you drive into a telegraph pole. While stoned your concentration and reflexes are slightly impaired. I never drive stoned. Drunk is way worse and quite frankly people who smoke cigarettes while driving or talk on the phone are more likely to have an accident than a stoned person. But a stoned person is more likely to have an accident than a straight one."

I definitely don't recommend driving while intoxicated in any way, just going to mention my experience with that.

I have two friends who used to drive us around town during our high school days. One was a huge smoker while the other nowhere as big, was a huge lightweight, I think the mere presence of pot in a baggie could make him stoned.

Anyways I could of sworn that driving while stoned made them better drivers. I never saw them obey the speed limit as much when they were sober. They claimed that driving stoned made them a lot more paranoid of screwing up so they drove extra carefully to avoid anything that would draw attention to us.

Again: do NOT drive when your intoxicated in any way, I can definitely see someone kissing a light post while blazed.
 
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It's not addictive, unless you have an addictive personality and no self control. As for people saying it wrecks lives...grow up. Maybe if you work really long hours and have dependants you shouldn't smoke it, as it might be a problem. But if you don't have kids, weed is your best friend.
 

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I dabble in weed now and again and I don't find it the least bit addictive. I can understand that people may want to actively seek out the relaxing feeling but I would not call it addictive in the same sense as cocaine or heroin, as I have heard many foolish people liken it too.
 

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I have smoked it a couple of times and. I did not become addicted to it. And I certanly don't have a dependency on it. Like some people I know who smoke it. All in all I think it depends on the person.
 

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Akula said:
"The problem, in my view, is that people don't take it as seriously as, say, alcohol."

Have you ever been to a high school or college party? Hell even your average BBQ thrown by someone with a bit more years behind them? When you consider the amount of people who still kill themselves and other people because they can't seem to understand that drinking and driving doesn't lead to anything good shows how 'seriously' alcohol consumption is taken. I'm not even going to mention the amount of people that die or permanently cripple themselves due to alcohol poisoning.

In fact one of the characteristics of alcohol is it impairs the brains ability to make rational decisions.

Compare how many people are going to say yes to having a drink to those who would say yes to sharing a joint, I would be confident in the difference being pretty huge since most people are too paranoid to do anything that is 'illegal' or a 'drug'.

The fact that Cannabis is illegal, that billions are spent trying to keep it off the streets, and that possession of it is a federal offense shows just how much seriously Cannabis is taken compared to alcohol, even though that viewpoint is not based on completely rational views.
A very good point however alcohol technically is also a drug and a poison as well, but still you do make a very good point. Plus a lot of people would say yes to both.
 

Quiva

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lol soz. I was editting since i had heaps more to say and got distracted by an episode of "ghost in the shell".

The apparent improvement in some skills while stoned is referred to as "zoning" and is similar to meditation. It involves a heightened sense of awareness of one thing while blocking out others. Think of Zen trances. You busy the mind thinking of one thing allowing the subconscious to take control.
 

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Oh and for the record, i live in adelaide, australia and over here its only a civil offence like a parking ticket and doesn't go on your permanent record for possesion of up to and including an ounce. And you can propogate up to 3 plants without being more than a civil offence too. It becomes a criminal offence if you have too much or you get caught selling it.
 

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its not supposed to be addictive because there is no content in marijuana that causes it to be addictive... its all in the mind.. haha
 

zen5887

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So.

Im no expert and I havnt smoked before but wouldnt it be somthing like:

"Oh yeah, im high, this is a good feeling" then next day "Man I felt good when I was high, Im going to smoke again. Ohh this isnt as good as the first time.. I'll try again tommorow this time i'll use more gear." Then the problem just gets worse. It might not be anything like this.. Thats just my theory.

I've also heard that some people get bored of it so they move onto 'harder' drugs.

I guess that if your not an idiot you'll be fine and If you smart about it I dont see anything wrong with it... buut its still against the law here so Im not into it.