Poll: Mass Effect vs. KotOR
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KoToR is a better Star Wars sequel than anything after RotJ, so it holds a special place in my geek heart. That said, Mass Effect, particularly ME2 is a more polished game. Never replayed KoToR (and never got 2), played both MEs...an embarassing number of times.
KoToR 2 ended at Malacor. the game was not finished. I know how you feel. the game felt really deep in the beginning and middle, then you just kind of kill 2 sith lords like little kittens and have an argument that REALLY didn't clear much up for me with Ka...whatever the fuck her name was.theonlyblaze2 said:
see. when I can't remember the characters I know the game wasn't that drawing.
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OT: I have to say I enjoyed Mass Effect more than KOTOR. I found that the combat, the characters and the environments were much better.
I have played all 4 games multiple times, invested hundreds of hours in all of them because they are superior games. But........ME gets edge because of SWTOR being made into a MMORPG, the fuckers, they give the series back to Bioware and they make a MMORPG.....-anger-
The kinda copped out with the ending of Sith Lords...Basically the Exile get her palmed read by Kreia. And The Exile takes the Ebon Hawk goes to the Outer Rim in search of Revan and presumably finds him, horrible flat ending.theonlyblaze2 said:
No, they reskinned Star Trek. Don't think so? Think Bioware doesn't know what they did?Ian Nelson said:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogxWHHOmFrQ
"This is... It's green." Classic Star Trek reference line. When there's a drink offered, and it's alien, the description will be "What is it? Well it's... It's... It's green."
2. They got the guy who played Warf to voice the leader of the antagonistic clan on Tuchanka (the guy Shep head-butts). A major member of the krogan, a race very similar in tradition and ideology to the klingons.
-Bioware knows Mass Effect is incredibly derivative. Incredibly derivative. But they embrace that and make a universe that's (though no where near as scientific) a great game with a great cast and pretty good voice actors. Plus, you know... Tali and Garrus ~<3
That being said, I never played KotOR so you could be right in how it's the mother of ME. Hell, you probably are! But I'll go with ME because, as derivative as it is, it's still an original world, and I prefer that to what could be one of the greatest fan fictions of all time for all I know. Maybe if I played KotOR I'd be singing a different tune.
I have to say that I love KotOR and its one of my favorite games of last generation. I do prefer ME because it shows how much the developer has grown since KotOR and I fucking hate bioware for the choice near the end that came out of left field and I did not expect it in the least bit.WrongSprite said:
....Yeah, I can see that happening in the future. Lucas would put it as a comedy and make it "meta and self-referential". Don't give the old money grubber any more ideas!j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Yes, KotOR was ME's mother, and yes, KotOR was an awesome game (although I'm one of the minority who also really loved KotOR 2).
But what tilts the balance on favour of ME for me is that I'm impressed that they've put so much effort into developing their own IP. To start a new and original sci-fi saga with the depth of ME is astounding; I haven't seen another studio do that sort of thing so well.
But what tilts the balance on favour of ME for me is that I'm impressed that they've put so much effort into developing their own IP. To start a new and original sci-fi saga with the depth of ME is astounding; I haven't seen another studio do that sort of thing so well.
I liked both KotOR and Mass Effect. It was initially difficult for me to play ME, having gotten so used to KotOR's system. Nonetheless, I still lean perhaps just a bit towards ME. Great characters, good dialogue, awesome powers and great fights still couldn't let me forget how tired I was of Star Wars by the time I played KotOR.
....... damn it lets just dive in head first.
Mass Effect is amazing
Kotor is amazingly superb
Kotor wins by default only because it took what was essentially a large universe and cranked out two games that re-difined that universe and made jaded star wars fans rekindle their love with the lightsabers, jedi's, and fucking SITH LORDS!
Mass Effect is amazing
Kotor is amazingly superb
Kotor wins by default only because it took what was essentially a large universe and cranked out two games that re-difined that universe and made jaded star wars fans rekindle their love with the lightsabers, jedi's, and fucking SITH LORDS!
kotor > ME by a lot
ME really is just the star wars universe with the serial numbers filed off
ME2 took all of the character building choices of "rpg" and turned it into an fps, the combat was insipidly boring to the point where I looked for game mods that would let me skip it
however the conversation system and the paragon/renegade quicktime system was brilliant
The most innovative thing to come out of me2 was that you could advance as BOTH paragon AND renegade at the same time. That was you could really roleplay how you felt the character would react without being penalized in game stats like you are in most "morality" system games.
KOTOR saved RPGs in the 00s just like Baldurs Gate did in the 90s. It is also one of the few shining stars in the crapsack that is the Star Wars extended universe.
ME really is just the star wars universe with the serial numbers filed off
ME2 took all of the character building choices of "rpg" and turned it into an fps, the combat was insipidly boring to the point where I looked for game mods that would let me skip it
however the conversation system and the paragon/renegade quicktime system was brilliant
The most innovative thing to come out of me2 was that you could advance as BOTH paragon AND renegade at the same time. That was you could really roleplay how you felt the character would react without being penalized in game stats like you are in most "morality" system games.
KOTOR saved RPGs in the 00s just like Baldurs Gate did in the 90s. It is also one of the few shining stars in the crapsack that is the Star Wars extended universe.
The Citadel is rather similar to Babylon 5. Well, sort of.plugav said:So, is it just me, or does ME draw A LOT of inspiration from Babylon 5?Bara_no_Hime said:
Actually, Farscape was where I was thinking. Chiana was sort of similar to an Asari.
Also, did anyone notice that Joker's medical condition was taken from the Vorkosigan series by Lois McMaster Bujold?
That's one of the things I love about ME - it takes great ideas from all kinds of sci-fi shows and novels.
Tough call, Both of their plots are great, both of them full of "how the world works" life lessons but to be frank i feel that KOTOR was bogged down by starwars. Having to make themselves fit into the plots and characters of starwars kinda hindered their own ability to express their ideas unlike mass effect which is free to make and do what it wants to show its ideas.
Aside from the Citadel, I thought of the Normandy being a bit like the White Star, and the First Contact War being a bit like the Minbari War, and the Collector General (ME2)looking like a Shadow, and Shepard sharing some characteristics with both Sinclair and Sheridan... A lot of little details, hidden and mixed but still somewhat familiar.Bara_no_Hime said:The Citadel is rather similar to Babylon 5. Well, sort of.plugav said:So, is it just me, or does ME draw A LOT of inspiration from Babylon 5?Bara_no_Hime said:
Actually, Farscape was where I was thinking. Chiana was sort of similar to an Asari.
I admit I've never actually seen Farscape, though.
Only if you also consider Star Wars to be a Star Trek rip-off.rembrandtqeinstein said:
Mass Effect, simply because they created their own universe. KOTOR was very well done, but it didn't take nearly as much imagination. Both excellent RPG games though.
I'm more of a fan of Mass Effect myself. Actually I never could finish BioWare's KotOR, but I've played Obsidian's KotOR II at least six times.