Poll: ME3 - Aren't You Guys Rather Embarressed?

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

For me personally I don't feel embarrassment at the the raging of the fanboys, it's more smug satisfaction that I didn't waste my hard earned cash buying the game and they did. Apparently I'm one of a few smart enough to realise it's time to jump ship regarding a particular series/brand/company.

REcaptcha: spruce up

 

[dreadedcandiru99]

Nobody is mad because they couldn't finish the game by being crowned master of the universe by a re-animated Jessica Alba. They wanted closure and instead got a line of text telling them to go buy more DLC, literally.

This, basically. I didn't invest two hundred bucks and hundreds of hours of gameplay over the past five years just to be saddled with a pile of plot holes, botched characterization and space magic.

You know what I don't get, by the way? I don't get how there's anyone left that can honestly claim not to understand why people are so upset. It's been explained a thousand times, a thousand ways, in a thousand places. It seems to me, at this point, that anyone who doesn't understand must be trying not to understand.

But what do I know? I'm just a whiny butthurt fanboy who didn't get the rainbows and unicorns he thought he was owed.

 

[Savagezion]

The overreacting began before release. People are just getting too hung up on not getting the exact perfect ending they wanted. Everybody can't be pleased, and people just have to accept that BioWare had a different kind of ending in mind.

Then Bioware should have promised the exact opposite of what they did promise. Which is, an ending that is a bespoke ending that everyone else gets that can be quantified as A, B, and C. They claimed verbatum the exact opposite.

They also claimed:
"[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass
Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."

"Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the
lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers,
being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an
end."

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless
of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide
some answers to these people."

After all these kinds of claims the best case scenario is an unconfirmed theory of what happened. Where even if it is true, no one knows what the hell it even means pertaining to events of the battle, the reapers, your crew, the relays, or the galaxy. Pretty much the only thing the theory explains is what happens to Shepard but everything else in the game is all speculation. That is the version with the most logical answers.

I really find it sad that BioWare is being guil-tripped into changing/adding to the ending because of a few people that don't know how to control their emotions and think rationally.

I find it sad people buy that line of crap. This line would have more credibility if they claimed the indoctrination theory but they don't. It's a copout reply because they don't support it. Claiming "artistic vision" is a good time to explain your what that vision is/was.
As well, Mass Effect 3 was title that openly admitting it was trying to "appeal to a widest demographic". (Designed to please as many as possible.) It was never about making a statement regardless of what people thought. They openly admitted the game was aiming to appeal to as many people as it can. It is in the best interest of the mission statement of the game to change it according to "artistic integrity".

 

[A Weakgeek]

I have no trouble with bitching, people do that all the time. But asking for a different ending, even if the exsisting one is the worst pile of crap ever invented, is vile. It was the writers vision, you have no right to demand anything else. The PR department lied to you, well too bad, learn from your mistakes and dont believe any of this bullshit when the first spinoff Masseffect comes around.

Even if the ending was made to sell you dlc, they still shouldnt change it. Its a fucking disgusting practise but you got suckered in, if you hadnt preordered maybe you would have known before buying. Talk with your wallets people! DONT BUY THE DLC WHEN IT COMES OUT! That will only encourage EA and Bioware to do this in the future, and if you cant resist not buying this dlc and say "I wont buy any Bioware games... after this" you are lying to yourself.

 

[Valanthe]

I put "no" not because I personally believe that this is worth fighting for, but to pose the question, if somebody believes in something strongly enough to go to the lengths that many of these fans have, who are we to tell them that they're wrong to feel that way? If they felt that the endings were so bad that they need to be changed, what right do I have to say "No, you are not allowed to express your opinion."

I disliked the endings, quite strongly. That much you can see simply by looking at my recent posts. I'm not about to march down the street or sign my name onto the Retake Mass Effect petition, but I think that if you feel strongly enough about this, then it's absolutely within your right to pursue these measures. Just as it's absolutely within my right to quietly shake my head and go back to swearing profusely as another Banshee chases me around the map in multiplayer.

So the short answer is, No, I am not embarrassed by angered consumers demanding better of a company who failed to deliver on several promises. To use an anology, even thouh I'm terrible at these, if I bought a dishwasher that was advertised to be "The be all end all solution to washing dishes, and I'd never need another appliance to wash these dishes again," and when I used it, it left spots on my glasses just like every other dishwasher on the planet. Am I not entitled to express my displeasure with that product in what ways I deem necessary?

Captcha: Rough Diamond, You know... I should have made my analogy out of that, it's very fitting to how I view Bioware's most recent games. Like rough diamonds, so much potential, could have been so much better with just that little bit more polish

 

[martyrdrebel27]

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okay, as i've been doing anytime i see this topic come up, read this article and THEN tell me the hatred for the ending is 100% justified.

http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/

seriously. read the whole thing, and you'll understand.

 

[Yopaz]

Yes, it's gone too far. This is being treated like there has actually been done physical harm to its consumers. There are no broken promises or violations. This is simply a game that most fans didn't find satisfactory.

 

[Savagezion]

After making such a long post, I am unsure why I am posting but just wanted to clarify that Bioware has made promises and they were indeed broken. 4 of them to be exact.

More than that:
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

 

[Ninjat_126]

I think that suing for false advertisement is a bit much. Then again, if I knew how restrictive the ending was I wouldn't have bought the game, so they have technically made money from false advertising.

Still, it's their game and their story. They should be allowed to do what they want with it. And we shouldn't sue them.

My advice? Keep up the petitions asking for plot-hole removing free DLC, and the groups going "Bioware Fucked Up", but don't try to sue them or have them change the ending.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Gigantic snip

Y'know Ryan, I don't always agree with you on stuff, in fact sometimes we outright clash on our opinions/views... but goddamn that was an eloquent, sensible and well written post. I agree with everything you said and the OP needs to give it a good read.

 

[Yopaz]

Yes, it's gone too far. This is being treated like there has actually been done physical harm to its consumers. There are no broken promises or violations. This is simply a game that most fans didn't find satisfactory.

After making such a long post, I am unsure why I am posting but just wanted to clarify that Bioware has made promises and they were indeed broken. 4 of them to be exact. If you'd like proof then please read my very long post above or check out this video which does a better job anyhow. Unsure if you want to watch through it all but it does explain quite perfectly that Bioware screwed up indeed.


P.S: I admit the fans were not harmed in any manner but I must say personally me and others feel cheated out, scammed. My longer post explains it all but the video as I have placed onto this one does a good job explaining the harm in trust so that in a way is harming the fans making them lose interest in Bioware games.

Saying something you believe is the truth isn't a lie just because it's wrong. You may call this broken promises or false advertisement, but in the end it's just failure to deliver on the hype of a game. If they felt that the ending was good and they thought that it wouldn't leave unresolved matters then well, they were wrong, but if they believed it when they said it, is it a lie because you disagree? If I say Superman 64 is a great game is that a lie because everyone disagrees?

Think to yourself, is this really a bunch of lies and broken promises or just a game that didn't live up to hype?

 

[getoffmycloud]

I think it is stupid and demanding the ending gets changed is wrong. I personally like the ending (I buy into the indoctrination theory) so do I get to complain if the ending gets changed to something I don't like can I demand to have the old ending back again, no of course not but that then leaves me an everyone else who likes the ending dissatisfied so Bioware just cant win with this so they should just leave the ending alone otherwise this will set a terrible precedent with any future game they make that there fans have a slight issue with because i'm sure we all know what some Bioware fans are like and they will be constantly demanding to have everything changed because they know they can get away with it.

 

[lovest harding]

I chose yes, but not because they're taking it too seriously (I think it's perfectly fine to take something that you have to spend time and money on seriously), but because I think it's gotten to the point where it's bigger than the actual ending.
Is the ending disjointed and nonsensical? Yes.
Did it have nothing to do with the choices in game? Yes.
Was it one of the least dramatic (and least appealing and least varied) choices in the game? Yes.
(although, I'd hazard to argue it had everything to do with the overarching Reaper story and 90% of the ME games had nothing to do with the actual Reapers, so in a sense it worked for the Reapers, or it would have if there were hints of it beyond "You just don't understand the Reapers, Shepard." woven into the story of past games rather than just dumped in that final section of the final game with some clumsy foreshadowing).

BUT I think the witch hunt (the lawsuit or FTC complaints or whatever) for BioWare is nonsense. They made an ending they wanted (and could fit into their monetary and time constraints). Certainly it could have been of better quality. It could have had more substance to it. It could have been tied to every option in the game to make 40 unique endings (albeit probably at the cost of millions of more dollars and a year of time). But what it was was what they created.
Fans have a right to disagree with what they're given. But I fully believe that BioWare's artistic integrity should be on the merit of the games they make, not based on whether or not they alter a game because their fans want it or how willing they are to 'listen to their fans'.
I'd lose respect for them as creators if they did anything but expand the ending as is (if they do anything to satisfy upset fans).

We seem to believe that because our hobby is interactive that we have a substantial role in what we play, when in reality we are just playing the games that developers make. We're integral to the expression of the art/fun/shoot-fest/etc. (just like every movie or book or painting), but not to the inception or development of it. There's a line, a point in which we no longer have a say (a point where we are simply consumers and not fans or authorities). We can't cross that line and become the dictators of what will happen or could happen or should happen.
We can tell them what we want to see, what we didn't like. We can fault them for a weak story or a nonsensical ending or poor gameplay or bad sound design or even just not caring about their consumers/fans. Hell, we can even tell them what games they should make in the future by simply buying things we like and not buying things we don't like. But we can't tell them what to do with their game. We can't tell them that that tree should be bigger or there should be more enemies spawning there or that the story should have had more furry sex and honestly expect them to do what we want (we can share those opinions and maybe they'll find something they like, but vicious attacks rather than intelligent criticism will get us no where). We have no say over what makes it into the game. It's their prerogative to put whatever they want in the game, because it is their creation.
Random tangent: This is why even as a gay man, I wasn't knocking down their door begging them to make gay romance. I wanted to see it in the games (because it's something I enjoy playing). But even with only heterosexual romances, the first two games were fantastic. I played through a romance in each of them for the achievements, but I wasn't invested in them (they were just long quests for an achievement). The Shepard I took through all three games didn't romance anyone until the third game and without the addition of gay romance options he wouldn't have romanced anyone. Which I'm fine with.

I try not post anymore, but I felt the need to share my opinion on this subject at least once.
I'm speaking in generalities. If you think you're one of the people who isn't attacking BioWare in a malicious manner, then I'm not talking about you. I really don't need 30 responses telling me that not everyone is attacking BioWare. I know not everyone who dislikes the ending is. This is about the people who are going to far.
And those who aren't, aren't the subject of this post.

 

[Yopaz]

Yes, it's gone too far. This is being treated like there has actually been done physical harm to its consumers. There are no broken promises or violations. This is simply a game that most fans didn't find satisfactory.

After making such a long post, I am unsure why I am posting but just wanted to clarify that Bioware has made promises and they were indeed broken. 4 of them to be exact. If you'd like proof then please read my very long post above or check out this video which does a better job anyhow. Unsure if you want to watch through it all but it does explain quite perfectly that Bioware screwed up indeed.


P.S: I admit the fans were not harmed in any manner but I must say personally me and others feel cheated out, scammed. My longer post explains it all but the video as I have placed onto this one does a good job explaining the harm in trust so that in a way is harming the fans making them lose interest in Bioware games.

Saying something you believe is the truth isn't a lie just because it's wrong. You may call this broken promises or false advertisement, but in the end it's just failure to deliver on the hype of a game. If they felt that the ending was good and they thought that it wouldn't leave unresolved matters then well, they were wrong, but if they believed it when they said it, is it a lie because you disagree? If I say Superman 64 is a great game is that a lie because everyone disagrees?

Think to yourself, is this really a bunch of lies and broken promises or just a game that didn't live up to hype?

It's sort of fact that the ending is more then just 'bad' where it let everyone down because it wasn't what they wanted. It's the fact the ending was poorly written my friend and the two videos along with my very long reasons prove that with more reflecting off Bioware. Not only (which is sad to say) is the ending incomplete but the ending once you beat it encourages you to keep playing and buy their DLC. Doesn't that come off as shameless of Bioware?

Because I think they rock, or to better put it a well established company but now they're just doing everything wrong. They've said we can give them feedback but once the criticism comes in- they shut down their official forums meaning they closed their threads where our opinions are no longer heard. I didn't tell you this but it was in the very long post I made from above:

Sure, the ending is bad indeed and I can live with them keeping the ending if they least explained themselves as to why it's like that, answer some questions and make up the trust with future games developed.. but instead Bioware and mainly the director keep ignoring the fans and pushing aside the concern with "You guys are just upset because the ending wasn't butterflies and rainbows." No my good sir, it's not at all like that. I expected Shepard to die maybe if it came down to sacrifice, I even knew many would die at the end... but I wanted an ending to be solid, to matter as in our choices did make an impact. Instead we get an ending that is basically the same as any other ending you pick but with a different color. Not just that, but it leaves so many plot holes, questions in the air, and confusing aspects that it's just.. a really off ending. Fans are even assuming it was a dream and for Bioware to make the fans have to come up with theories for an ending like this is wrong, to me.

With all that said, the ending was more then just disappointing. It made me feel like in order for the actual complete story I am going to have to buy some DLC or for sure buy ME4 if that comes out. Also Bioware has done a few things even before the ending that seemed like taking advantage of their customers, the consumers. Now don't get me wrong I have nothing against you and it's perfectly fine if you disagree with me because hey.. some fans do feel sheer anger just because the ending didn't live up to their hype. But when you got a majority of fans, over hundreds and thousands all giving very detailed examples as to why the ending was far off and something everyone can agree on that the hype wasn't that made it bad... then you know something's wrong with Bioware.

It's OK to feel disappointed and it's OK to feel like the ending should have more, but this is still getting out of control. People aren't merely saying the ending was bad and giving good reasons why it is bad. They are treating the ending like it is a personal insult to all the fans of the series. They are treating it like it actually did physical harm. I wont defend Bioware or their choices for the game or the ending. I will however keep saying that we're taking this way out of proportions.
The ending of a game shouldn't spike a lawsuit. Bioware failed to do what we expected, we should accept that and move on.

They might be closing threads on their site, but with the maturity of gamers who are disappointed in a game can you blame them? A thread about the ending of Mass Effect 3 is almost certainly going to result in groundless flaming, insults and unpleasant posts which gives off little if any constructive criticism.

 

[Savagezion]

Saying something you believe is the truth isn't a lie just because it's wrong. You may call this broken promises or false advertisement, but in the end it's just failure to deliver on the hype of a game. If they felt that the ending was good and they thought that it wouldn't leave unresolved matters then well, they were wrong, but if they believed it when they said it, is it a lie because you disagree? If I say Superman 64 is a great game is that a lie because everyone disagrees?

Think to yourself, is this really a bunch of lies and broken promises or just a game that didn't live up to hype?

It's lies.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

I don't want to copy and paste those individually again. Read those real fast. (At least a few of the short ones.)

It's really a bunch of lies. It's like Superman 64 marketing saying "Making a game with mostly flying through rings would be ridiculous, we wouldn't do that to our players."

 

[Yopaz]

Saying something you believe is the truth isn't a lie just because it's wrong. You may call this broken promises or false advertisement, but in the end it's just failure to deliver on the hype of a game. If they felt that the ending was good and they thought that it wouldn't leave unresolved matters then well, they were wrong, but if they believed it when they said it, is it a lie because you disagree? If I say Superman 64 is a great game is that a lie because everyone disagrees?

Think to yourself, is this really a bunch of lies and broken promises or just a game that didn't live up to hype?

It's lies.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

I don't want to copy and paste those individually again. Read those real fast. (At least a few of the short ones.)

It's really a bunch of lies. It's like Superman 64 marketing saying "Making a game with mostly flying through rings would be ridiculous, we wouldn't do that to our players."

Yes, I have seen that thing before I made my previous post. However if you read my post I said that failure to live up to your promises isn't a lie. <bYou[/B] as a fan don't think they managed to do what they had promised. However do you got anything to suggest that they know they didn't live up to their promises beforehand? A false statement isn't a lie as long as you believe it. This is failure to please and failure to live up to the promises. If you really think that we aren't taking this ending too far, let me know how many people died because they failed to please. They made a disappointing ending move along, it's not the end of the world.

 

[T3hSource]

If this was last week I would say yes,because even I was enraged with what I got.But since Friday I swallowed it up and thought "The trilogy was a great experience,maybe the last 10 minutes shouldn't ruin the other 100+ of play time,it's just a game after all."
Since then I've just been reading news about ME3 EVERY DAY on this site,just to remind me that people can't get over it.
I also give props to the indoctrination theory,from a desperation call from the fans,to a second playing card of BioWare.
Lastly this drama got featured on national news,and in a good way.

I still voted 'No' because "it's just a game".Besides I'm now expecting a DLC with the "true ending the fans want",when I didn't really want it to be changed,just let people make their own,but I guess a community isn't smart enough for that and they have to get something.

From another perspective I find this movement quite fascinating,how everyone was upset,the rants,the articles,things like "Demand a better ending to Mass Effect" #RetakeME3 with charity,"entitled consumers",indoctrination theory,BioWare PR talk and reactions to it.See where I'm getting at,and all of this in the span of 2 weeks,because it's the internet.Stop thinking for a moment about "Why exactly are we doing this?" and look at "How are are doing this,what methods are used and why those?".This is truly one of the brightest examples how internet has integrated into modern culture and the power it has,when people are united for a cause.

 

[Treefingers]

So many butthurt crybaby fanboys.

Let Bioware make whatever fucking game they want to make. If you don't like it, big fucking deal. It's not YOUR game. YOU AREN'T THE WRITER.

How do we expect our medium to be taken seriously as an art form if we ***** at other's writing and demand it changed? I mean, if enough people don't like the way the Mona Lisa looks does that mean we can scribble over it until it's nice enough to us?

GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELVES.

 

[Savagezion]

Saying something you believe is the truth isn't a lie just because it's wrong. You may call this broken promises or false advertisement, but in the end it's just failure to deliver on the hype of a game. If they felt that the ending was good and they thought that it wouldn't leave unresolved matters then well, they were wrong, but if they believed it when they said it, is it a lie because you disagree? If I say Superman 64 is a great game is that a lie because everyone disagrees?

Think to yourself, is this really a bunch of lies and broken promises or just a game that didn't live up to hype?

It's lies.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10056886

I don't want to copy and paste those individually again. Read those real fast. (At least a few of the short ones.)

It's really a bunch of lies. It's like Superman 64 marketing saying "Making a game with mostly flying through rings would be ridiculous, we wouldn't do that to our players."

Yes, I have seen that thing before I made my previous post. However if you read my post I said that failure to live up to your promises isn't a lie.

The law says otherwise when trying to sell a product.

You as a fan don't think they managed to do what they had promised. However do you got anything to suggest that they know they didn't live up to their promises beforehand?

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we?re taking into account so many decisions that you?ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It?s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C." -Casey Hudson
Source:http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx

That interview happened when the game was going through certification. The game was done. A lot of these interviews were done in at this point because before that was crunch time. A few were even just a couple weeks away from the game being released. Before certification time would have been crunch time where there isn't time for interviews.

A false statement isn't a lie as long as you believe it. This is failure to please and failure to live up to the promises. If you really think that we aren't taking this ending too far, let me know how many people died because they failed to please. They made a disappointing ending move along, it's not the end of the world.

Haha, no it isn't the end of the world. It's just an unethical business practice that is well within consumer rights to want repercussions for such an action. I wanted Shepard to die in the end, I expected him to. I don't see a problem with a happy ending but I thought it would be more interesting to see what would happen if he died in the battle personally. But I don't get to see that, I get to see either a random mash up of unexplained events or his last dream. I don't really know which it is. But I digress, because it isn't important to you how much of a game's ending was gutted. Pathelogical liars can pass lie detector tests because they believe their lie at the time they are telling them. They are a type of sociopath. But we do distinguish them apart from other sociopaths as liars. Because that is what they are. The game was finished, they said the content was what it wasn't and that it wasn't what it is. It is a lie and if they believed it, they are sociopaths and should no longer be allowed to do interviews.

 

[Denamic]

I feel some gamers just hated ME3's ending because they wanted to hate ME3 for something.

Except that the people who truly hate the endings are the people that love Mass Effect.
It was such a fantastic story that needed a good ending.
Note that I don't necessarily mean a 'happy' ending, just one that does the story justice.
But as the endings are, they just take a massive shit on everything you've done up to this point.
Everything you've ever done in any of the Mass Effect games amounts to squat.
You don't even get any choices in the final dialogue, Sheppard just blindly agrees with the bullshit.
My Sheppard would have punched the fucker 4 sentences in.

Imagine doing everything right in Mass Effect 2, gained all upgrades, every squadmate loyal, etc.
And then, no matter what you do, everyone dies on the final mission and the collectors win. The end.
And the sad thing?
That that would actually be a better ending than what ME3 has.