Poll: ME3 - Aren't You Guys Rather Embarressed?

[JediMB]

Oh, and I might not have the right to demand that Mass Effect 3's ending is changed...

But I certainly do have the right to voice how the ending makes me distrust the company, and unless they prove that they truly care about their fans I simply won't gamble on buying another BioWare game.

 

[Denamic]

I feel some gamers just hated ME3's ending because they wanted to hate ME3 for something.

Except that the people who truly hate the endings are the people that love Mass Effect.
It was such a fantastic story that needed a good ending.
Note that I don't necessarily mean a 'happy' ending, just one that does the story justice.
But as the endings are, they just take a massive shit on everything you've done up to this point.
Everything you've ever done in any of the Mass Effect games amounts to squat.
You don't even get any choices in the final dialogue, Sheppard just blindly agrees with the bullshit.
My Sheppard would have punched the fucker 4 sentences in.

Imagine doing everything right in Mass Effect 2, gained all upgrades, every squadmate loyal, etc.
And then, no matter what you do, everyone dies on the final mission and the collectors win. The end.
And the sad thing?
That that would actually be a better ending than what ME3 has.

Keyword "some", in case you missed it. Or do I have to spell out each and every option instead of rely on people's ability to understand when I'm not talking about every single gamer.

OK, here it goes - I feel some gamers just hated ME3's ending because they wanted to hate ME3 for something. Some other gamers didn't though. They might have had legitimate reasons to don't like it. Which I also pointed out in my previous post. Others still may have hated the ending because it didn't conform to their vision of how things should go. And others probably didn't like the game but saw all the rage over the ending and decided to join with the crowd just because badmouthing things can be fun and it's even better if there are people to support you. And so on and so forth.

It is not a black and white issue - people don't like the exact same thing for different reasons. For some it's justified for others not so much. If only we could have more of the sensible people...

But back to you - I have a small request: instead of completely missing my point could you try...not doing it?

Wow, hello Mr. Irony.
Before making sardonic 'requests' for me to not miss your point, you might want to make sure you're not the one that's actually doing it.

 

[Jaidenator]

I was all like, these people must really not like the ending. Huh, I wonder why.
*FINISHES GAME* WHERE'S MY CHAINSAWWWWWW ----- RAAAAAAAAGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

2012, the year Bioware completely exceeded our expectations in Gameplay but not Story. Opposite year, Never forget.

 

[smokeyninjas]

The ending is complete & utter nonsensically bullshit it deserved better so glad i stood strong & didn't even buy the game due to the origin only bullshit.
Am sure i would be a lot more pissed off if i'd paid for that shit instead of just playing it over a mates.

 

[Murmillos]

If you order food X because it has Y on it from a Restaurant, but it doesn't with Y; you are allowed to complain.

If you buy anything else because it has Y feature to it, but when you get it Y features are non available, you are allowed to complain.

But if a game company promises that the game will have Y; we are not allowed to complain because we are to respect the "artistic merits" of the developer?

EAWare has just hit critical mass with their shenanigans:
∙ Day One Premium DLC of a race that is critically-center to the lore of the game.
∙ An ending that makes no sense, there is no lead up too, and blind sides the player with inconsistencies.
∙ And if the ending is to make any type of sense, it requires the logic leap that its just a dream sequence; so yea, what a way to end perhaps the most invested in trilogy since the original Star Wars.
∙ And they don't even have the decency to end the dream sequence with a unique ending, its a straight up Deus Ex -- 3 choice ending in the final minutes of the game.
∙ There are bad endings, and then there are bad ass-pulled making shit up at the 11th hour bad endings.

 

[TheJesus89]

We have over 10 years of Star Wars fans bitching about an entire 3 movies.

Yet we're the childish ones for bitching about an ending.

Anybody else see something wrong with that?

 

[Samurai Silhouette]

ME3 feels like a hasty cash-in rather than the epic finale we've all come to expect. All the choices we've made over the trilogy are just a generic numeric value added up to whether or not one thing happens. Would have liked to see finite details fleshing out our decisions, but it looks like they just wanted to save time and re-skin an ending three times. Yeah, we deserved to be a little pissed, especially at 80$? I want my money back.

 

[NortherWolf]

But asking for a different ending, even if the existing one is the worst pile of crap ever invented, is vile.

Why the f*ck is it "vile"? You do realize that movies work that way? Test screenings? One example is Deep Blue Sea where the female scientist was supposed to survive but test audiences were shouting for her to die.

Games aren't art, they're products. Products, in the capitalistic little world we live in, the rage of ME fans is the ultimate expression of logic. It is the right, no, the duty, of the customer to make sure that something sub par is changed or kicked off the market.

Hopefully that means no more Bioware in a few years as they've gone from excellent to pure shit*shrugs*

 

[Joccaren]

No, not ashamed at all.
Are you ashamed when you go to a car dealer that sold you a 'New' car with 20K Km on it, broken radio and chips all over the floor?
Are you ashamed when you go up to the server people at Macca's and ask them to make you a new burger as you asked for no sauce and no pickles, but they put extra sauce and extra pickles on instead?

If you're not ashamed about pointing out flaws in other faulty products, or being lied to about what you were buying with other products - why is a game any different?
Because its art?
The second you sell commissioned art, you need to be ready to accept a complaint if you made it wrong. ME3 wasn't made in a garage for fun, it was made to be sold and earn EA money, and to please the fans so that it would earn EA money. If the fans aren't pleased, then Bioware has failed in its duty to EA to create something the fans like.
Because its a game, and we shouldn't take that seriously?
What the hell kind of a point is that? We shouldn't take it seriously because its a game? If we, gamers, don't take games seriously - how can we expect anyone else to? We need to take games seriously to get others to take them seriously. Until that happens, nothing changes.
Because fans are acting entitled?
No, we're not. We're outlining clearly what Bioware needs to do to keep us as customers. In a way, they are acting entitled. Entitled to our undying love and money. If we don't like their game, we should still buy their DLC and other games because their entitled to that, so they don't need to fix anything. No. We as fans choose where we take our money. In the aforementioned car scenario, would you go back to that dealer if they did that to you twice, and not bother trying to get an actual new car? I doubt it. We are telling Bioware that to keep our money coming in to them, they've got to fix the endings. They don't do that, and we ARE entitled to take our money elsewhere.

There is NOTHING to be embarrassed about with this movement. Some legal professionals are taking the whole FTC complaint seriously - it DOES fall under their jurisdiction, and they need to decide whether they think dev promises such as 'Its not like normal games where you can say you got ending A, B or C' are specific enough to be applied in these terms. Personally, I think that's pretty specific: No ending A, B or C - an utter lie. Wait! We get ending Red Blue Green instead. Personally, I hope the FTC accept this as an alright principle, on the grounds of the specific quotes only. Specific things promised pre-release should be delivered upon, or we should be told that they won't be delivered upon. I, and many others, bought this under the assumption we would not get ending A, B or C, but something unique to our Shepard that honoured our choices. We were led to believe this thanks to more than a few specific dev quotes, and we were lied to. I won't be outraged if the FTC doesn't set the precedent here - it may see it as too intrusive as to how much game devs can talk up their game - and I'll respect that. It isn't way out left field though. None of this protest is. We ordered a product, and it was not properly delivered. We have a right and a responsibility to complain. If we don't, it sets a precedent for devs to make whatever they want and crap all over pre order sales. Say the next CoD is the fastest and biggest of them all, the best FPS you'll ever play, then release a turn based tactical shooter. I don't want to live in a world where that is acceptable.

 

[chstens]

No. The rage is justified, in my opinion. It all boils down to something very basic: people were told throughout the series they were getting X, and X was a major selling point, and they got Y instead.

Any consumer would rightly be miffed.

Miffed, yes. Forthing like a rabid dog? That's quite frankly retarded.

 

[ThatSwedishGuy]

Yes, it's gone too far. The complaints are justified but the manner in which they've been presented long since stopped being creative or constructive. The complaints have been voiced, Bioware has said "We hear you." and now it's time to sit back and wait and see what they come up with. Certain amounts of diplomacy is required here, they acknowledged hearing the complaints pretty early on, even with the leaked script, and if nothing else, Dr. Muzyka has now gone on record saying "We're looking into it." this the point where we shut up and wait for what they come up with.

 

[Larmo]

I think I'm in the Other camp, when i was playing the game i keep seeing threads pop up on the Escapist all talking about the ending and how people didn't like it, i refused to look any deeper for fear of spoilers. Then i got to the ending myself and after the credits started rolling i just st there confused and getting angrier and angrier, then i called my sister up who is a casual fan on ME knows the mythos fairly well and i bitched about it to her for an hour, she was in a patent mood.

But after i was done i felt much better and had a good laugh, the next day i looked up the forums and discovered that a lot of gamers felt the same, were demanding Boiware change the ending/Indoctrination theory/DLC the ending Ect it seemed like this forum is just one big vent brigade, everyone here was venting there frustration and like me once they are done they can step back and give some real perspective on the ending.

I didn't expect Shep to survive this is a cause worth dying for and i felt my character would be willing to do that, i would just like a small text crawl to say what happen to the universe or at least my allies after the battle, who went where and went on to do what, but maybe there saving the universe building for the next game set 500 years in the future or whatever.

 

[Zack Alklazaris]

I haven't finished yet so maybe this will change, but right now people need to get a grip. Its a game, not even your game. Grow up and realize not everything is about you.

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

I'm other because, while the ending is full of plot-holes and doesn't fit with the tone of the entire series, it's not worth fighting for. Good for you if you think Mass Effect is the best game series of all time but if this is Bioware's vision for the end then it's Bioware's decision to make it that way and we shouldn't change that.

You make it sound like BioWare is a person with a unified and clear vision of how the game should have ended.

In fact, though, BioWare's writers were debating back and forth how they were going to end the game, since they were forced to rewrite it after the original script leaked.

In November they still hadn't come up with a better ending, so the lead writer supposedly vetoed the other writers and pushed through the contradictory crap we got.

Obviously Bioware isn't one person.

May I ask, if anyone knows what the original ending was to share it?

 

[Fishyash]

Complacency is one of the things that embarasses me in the game industry. The fact that when the internet is in an uproar against something, people just brush it off as "gamer entitlement" or "childishness".

Jim's point is that at least people actually care about a game's story to complain about it if it is unsatisfactory. There are multiple reasons for this, personally I found it not only out of touch of the rest of the game(s) but it more or less contradicted Casey Hudson's statements on what the ending would be like.

 

[Seses209]

It's less about not getting the ending we wanted and more then ending going against everything the last 3 games have been hyping up to, and telling us (within th narrative). It's not only that it offers no closure (although that is certainly a problem) but that it is canonically inaccurate in a glaringly obvious way. I think the rage is justified, but misinterpreted, with many people explaining their reasons for not liking the ending in a way that will boil down to a personal opinion, rather than a clear narrative mistake, meaning the creators will be less inclined to act on it.

 

[JediMB]

I'm other because, while the ending is full of plot-holes and doesn't fit with the tone of the entire series, it's not worth fighting for. Good for you if you think Mass Effect is the best game series of all time but if this is Bioware's vision for the end then it's Bioware's decision to make it that way and we shouldn't change that.

You make it sound like BioWare is a person with a unified and clear vision of how the game should have ended.

In fact, though, BioWare's writers were debating back and forth how they were going to end the game, since they were forced to rewrite it after the original script leaked.

In November they still hadn't come up with a better ending, so the lead writer supposedly vetoed the other writers and pushed through the contradictory crap we got.

Obviously Bioware isn't one person.

May I ask, if anyone knows what the original ending was to share it?

I don't know the details, but it involved harvesting humans (for their genetic diversity) in order to create a Reaper capable of solving the problem with dark energy causing stars to rapidly age... which was eventually going to lead to every star in the galaxy going supernova.

 

[Amaror]

No i am not embarrased.
And no i wouldn't mock raging twillight fans, that are angry at the ending.
Well, i mock twillight fans right now, but that's because they like twillight and not because they are complaining about someting.
Books, Movies and Games are Art, but they are still a PRODUCT. You pay money for them and if they are not good you have every right to complain about it.
Fans of Books were angry about bad written sequels thousands of times, same goes for movies.
And just because Fans of Games do the same it's suddenly childish and entitled, or what?

And more Important: Its the ENDING that People are complaining about.
And i really know how important the ending is. The Endings is the part of the experience, you will remember.
If the ending is good,it can make up for many many flaws the medium had in the middle part of it.
But if it is bad, then this will overshadow the rest of the experience no matter how good it was.

 

[TheCaptain]

Fans of Books were angry about bad written sequels thousands of times, same goes for movies.

Considering this, asking for a "fix" is only natural here, since everyone is fully aware that Bioware are going to make DLC anyway. That's the beautiful thing about video games and DLC: The experience changes or is expanded on anyway.

 

[PurePareidolia]

Even if the ending isn't changed, the industry still gets sent a message that you can't just expect people to be OK with an ending to a three-game trilogy in which everything you worked for is destroyed, unless you intentionally ignore several important parts of the laboriously crafted universe you've sunk so much time into.

It's disrespectful to the players, to the universe and to the series as a whole to cap it off with something so terrible. And believe me when I say that this is a series that involved a giant baby terminator and it's damn hard to out-stupid that. The Third game was otherwise excellent and did a great job of patching several of the holes from the previous installment, then the ending happened and of the given choices, the one that leaves the most hope is where you wait too long and everyone gets killed by the reapers.

There's just no circumstance in which that's acceptable - revealing that no matter how stupid the bad guy's motivation was, or how destructive they are, anything you do now will be worse than they ever could, and you've spent three games in pursuit of a goal that would end civilization more finally than the giant killer space robots*. It makes the entire series a waste of our time and money.


*Blow up the relays, the system they're in is wiped out and anyone in a nearby system is stranded in that cluster with no chance of escape. Not only do you wipe out the fleet you brought, but aside from Earth, Rannoch, Tuchanka and several other places you worked so hard to preserve were all in relay systems and will be vaporised along with anyone on them at the time. The reapers would preserve the relays as well as lesser forms of life, meaning at least something would survive into the next cycle.