so because people like mash ups...they can't fathom to possibly exist.Strazdas said:
perhaps that's why i like nu metal and the korn/skrillex mash up, i can actually fathom artists actually breaking away from their respective genre/roots.
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perhaps that's why i like nu metal and the korn/skrillex mash up, i can actually fathom artists actually breaking away from their respective genre/roots.
I figured you;d understand the concept of subjecivity in art and that people like very different thingsStrazdas said:
genre itself is kind of pointless when you think about it, all it does is fuel preconceptions the stuff I tend to like the most bends genre somtimesgmaverick019 said:
So... you're telling us you JUST noticed this?mitchell271 said:
Anyways, all core sucks big time, sorry to say (Edit, except grindcore, of course, totally different). Deathcore's almost worse than metalcore, cuz they think and act like they're so hard, but really it's the same swooped hair bullshit. There's just no talent in it is the thing, it's just whiny vocals, cookie-cutter melodies, and stupid keyboard crap. Ever notice how 99% of core bands consist of young kids?
Case and point, was at a local "metal" show on the weekend. In quotes cuz it was a mediocre death metal band opening, then by far the best band, another death metal band (Atrous Leviathan, pretty small, but any real metalhead should look them up), and then like 3 core bands. Everyone, including my group, left after Atrous. No joke, it went from like 75 people down to probably 20. The core bands got a nice look at my ass when we mooned them through the window after we left, though.
Anyway, you like core, whatever. Just as long as you don't go around saying it's any good, then whatever man. That kinda stuff can be a transition into heavier, actual metal, so hopefully that's where you're at.
I hate screaming in my music. And most metalcore bands I've seen are usually a bunch of skinny teenaged boys with perfectly teased bangs, boys who get laid left and right and are handed everything in life. The reason I like thrash is because the band members are usually unattractive. It's part of the charm, it feels more REAL, less like the Hollywood trash that is pushed out of the collective digestive tract of the entertainment industry. Yes there are exceptions, many exceptions to this rule, but I prefer that colorful analogy.
The reason I love metal is because the vocals are unattractive, unrefined, and emotionally powerful. It's fueled by the angst and pent up feelings of aggression and pain within the singer, feelings that a bunch of pretty young white boys don't often have. It leaves their work sounding...lifeless. Committee designed. Generic. I'm hard pressed to tell most metalcore bands apart, because they rarely sound different.
Disturbed has David Draiman's raspy and dangerous voice, his demonic laughter, the grunts and growls between lines, the raw power of the guitar riffs and the relentless pounding beat of the drums. Seether has incredibly catchy lyrics, feelings of genuine worry and hatred towards the rest of society for demonizing them (In my theory anyhow). Powerwolf has their strange fascinations with the dark side of Christianity, Romanian folklore, werewolves, and alliteration in their song titles as well as appearing to be heavy metal preachers, decked out in corpse paint, their bodies muscular or more on the heavy side under their cassocks. Slipknot-...do I need to say anything?
Metalcore doesn't have that, from what I've seen. I might just be marginalizing it because I dislike the screaming, which gets grating and becomes genuinely unpleasant to listen to (same reason I can't listen to Down with The Sickness). But their ultra-polished attitudes, physical appeal, (kinda) whiny lyrics, and the fans who listen to it have always turned me off.
Also, a good number of them are very passive-aggressively arrogant. Asking Alexandria has a song in where they tear down the gates of heaven, kill the angels and god, and at one point say, "We are the true enemies of God, like none before us!" And I can't help but think that's a jab at Slayer, who hold a place in my heart despite the fact that I don't even like their music. They've been insanely impactful and have helped to create metal as we know it today, show some goddamned respect Asking Alexandria.
The reason I love metal is because the vocals are unattractive, unrefined, and emotionally powerful. It's fueled by the angst and pent up feelings of aggression and pain within the singer, feelings that a bunch of pretty young white boys don't often have. It leaves their work sounding...lifeless. Committee designed. Generic. I'm hard pressed to tell most metalcore bands apart, because they rarely sound different.
Disturbed has David Draiman's raspy and dangerous voice, his demonic laughter, the grunts and growls between lines, the raw power of the guitar riffs and the relentless pounding beat of the drums. Seether has incredibly catchy lyrics, feelings of genuine worry and hatred towards the rest of society for demonizing them (In my theory anyhow). Powerwolf has their strange fascinations with the dark side of Christianity, Romanian folklore, werewolves, and alliteration in their song titles as well as appearing to be heavy metal preachers, decked out in corpse paint, their bodies muscular or more on the heavy side under their cassocks. Slipknot-...do I need to say anything?
Metalcore doesn't have that, from what I've seen. I might just be marginalizing it because I dislike the screaming, which gets grating and becomes genuinely unpleasant to listen to (same reason I can't listen to Down with The Sickness). But their ultra-polished attitudes, physical appeal, (kinda) whiny lyrics, and the fans who listen to it have always turned me off.
Also, a good number of them are very passive-aggressively arrogant. Asking Alexandria has a song in where they tear down the gates of heaven, kill the angels and god, and at one point say, "We are the true enemies of God, like none before us!" And I can't help but think that's a jab at Slayer, who hold a place in my heart despite the fact that I don't even like their music. They've been insanely impactful and have helped to create metal as we know it today, show some goddamned respect Asking Alexandria.
They can exist. they do, obviuosly. its jut that my brain is human, and thus fallable, therefore i fail to imagine how would anyone like that. it is solely MY problem, for my brain is inferior in this case.gmaverick019 said:
I understand the concept of subjectivity, i understand that such people exist, i just fail to imagine it. see above.Vault101 said:
I was looking to get back into Metal back at the end of 2010. The first band I saw was Killswitch Engaged. I also thought that Avenged Sevenfold was ok. I especially enjoyed The Arms of Sorrow and My Curse from Killswitch.
I found myself looking for more...I don't know if you'd call those two groups "Metalcore" but they just didn't hit the right nerve with me after a while.
I am now a die-hard Meshuggah fan and I couldn't be happier. They're my favorite band now.
I personally don't care for the lablels. They all sound like a teenager from the 90's came up with them - Metalcore, Grindcore, Mathcore, Hardcore...they don't really do it for me. Djent...I'm not into it, and I've checked it out.
I'm way into progressive Metal, but people would call those bands Grindcore or Mathcore or something wierd. The label sounds too detatched from the actual sound.
My main complaint has to do with the music itself - many of these Metalcore/Djent etc, bands fall into the same traps over and over again without branching into something that defines them - part of this is because it's hard to keep a band together.
I found myself looking for more...I don't know if you'd call those two groups "Metalcore" but they just didn't hit the right nerve with me after a while.
I am now a die-hard Meshuggah fan and I couldn't be happier. They're my favorite band now.
I personally don't care for the lablels. They all sound like a teenager from the 90's came up with them - Metalcore, Grindcore, Mathcore, Hardcore...they don't really do it for me. Djent...I'm not into it, and I've checked it out.
I'm way into progressive Metal, but people would call those bands Grindcore or Mathcore or something wierd. The label sounds too detatched from the actual sound.
My main complaint has to do with the music itself - many of these Metalcore/Djent etc, bands fall into the same traps over and over again without branching into something that defines them - part of this is because it's hard to keep a band together.
It mostly gets hated because it's a genre. Just a lot of arbitrary title-making and drawing lines in the sand (regardless of how close the tide is). That's really all that matters, but I'll elaborate cuz it's late, I'm online, and I love talking about music.
The reproductive cycle of a genre consists of three major stages: The Innovator, The Propeller, and The Glut.
The Innovator is a band or artist that evolves out of a prior scene and brings some new, radical ideas to the table. It doesn't belong to a specific genre (at least at first) and often spends most, if not all, of it's career in the underground. It takes what's been done before and breathes new life into it, but sometimes has trouble connecting to a mass audience. In the special case of Metal-Core, most of the credit for this goes to the Gothenberg scene, like At The Gates, Dark Tranquility, or In Flames (who extended their career by crossing over into Metal-Core, to the chagrin of many). Credit also may go to some early screamo acts, like Refused or At The Drive-In.
(it must be noted that the innovator does not always lead to a genre, it may just end up as a totally unique band that lives on in it's own little bubble, which is fine)
The Propeller is the band who catches wind of the new movement, started by the innovator, and ignites it. This band has enough creative juices to compete with the innovator, but shines even more in it's ability to deliver it with more energy and mass appeal than it's predecessor. It at once cements the new bonafied genre and places itself atop of the hill. It also ends up being the most divisive band, both loved by people excited about the new blooming genre, and hated passionately by people annoyed by the new looming genre. So now we're talking about Avenged Sevenfold, As I Lay Dying, Trivium, Killswitch Engage, etc...
(the media's role in the love/hate shoulde noted, as the propeller is the band that magazines/webites will rave about on the upswing, but start to deride once they feel the need to appear hip and forseeing about whatever new thing is on the horizon)
The Glut is the massive shit taken by the previous two, the hive swarm of sound-alike, copycat, no-talent bands that flood the market, poison the well, beat the horse and fuck the corpse. They don't add to the reproductive cycle, they gangrene and fall off, but not before sucking in as much hate for the genre as possible. The propellers, being legitimately talented (though divisive), end up getting shit on in the process by critics who can't tell the difference. There is something that can be said about musical taste being subjective or objective, and if you like or dislike a propeller, it's really a matter of subjective taste; liking or disliking the glut is a matter of objective intelligence. I'm not going to name bands for examples, because fuck them.
But here's where things get important, and where you really have to be on the lookout. While the glut is writhing, festering, and fornicating with itself, out of it's very bowels may come a band who looks like all the rest, and in it's inexperience may even sound a little like the rest (at first) - but just a little off. Just a little different. Just a little better. You may be witnessing the birth of something new. Something shiny. Something as quiet as whisper which will echo into the valleys eternally until it has mustered an unholy avalanche. You may swear off a genre or a fashion or a scene, but when it emerges and stands utterly alone, sillhouetted against the shit-tornado that obscures so much of your vision, and spews fiery liquid gold at your face, you will know it's name is The Lord when it lays it's vengeance upon thee...
(lyrics relevant, actually)
The reproductive cycle of a genre consists of three major stages: The Innovator, The Propeller, and The Glut.
The Innovator is a band or artist that evolves out of a prior scene and brings some new, radical ideas to the table. It doesn't belong to a specific genre (at least at first) and often spends most, if not all, of it's career in the underground. It takes what's been done before and breathes new life into it, but sometimes has trouble connecting to a mass audience. In the special case of Metal-Core, most of the credit for this goes to the Gothenberg scene, like At The Gates, Dark Tranquility, or In Flames (who extended their career by crossing over into Metal-Core, to the chagrin of many). Credit also may go to some early screamo acts, like Refused or At The Drive-In.
(it must be noted that the innovator does not always lead to a genre, it may just end up as a totally unique band that lives on in it's own little bubble, which is fine)
The Propeller is the band who catches wind of the new movement, started by the innovator, and ignites it. This band has enough creative juices to compete with the innovator, but shines even more in it's ability to deliver it with more energy and mass appeal than it's predecessor. It at once cements the new bonafied genre and places itself atop of the hill. It also ends up being the most divisive band, both loved by people excited about the new blooming genre, and hated passionately by people annoyed by the new looming genre. So now we're talking about Avenged Sevenfold, As I Lay Dying, Trivium, Killswitch Engage, etc...
(the media's role in the love/hate shoulde noted, as the propeller is the band that magazines/webites will rave about on the upswing, but start to deride once they feel the need to appear hip and forseeing about whatever new thing is on the horizon)
The Glut is the massive shit taken by the previous two, the hive swarm of sound-alike, copycat, no-talent bands that flood the market, poison the well, beat the horse and fuck the corpse. They don't add to the reproductive cycle, they gangrene and fall off, but not before sucking in as much hate for the genre as possible. The propellers, being legitimately talented (though divisive), end up getting shit on in the process by critics who can't tell the difference. There is something that can be said about musical taste being subjective or objective, and if you like or dislike a propeller, it's really a matter of subjective taste; liking or disliking the glut is a matter of objective intelligence. I'm not going to name bands for examples, because fuck them.
But here's where things get important, and where you really have to be on the lookout. While the glut is writhing, festering, and fornicating with itself, out of it's very bowels may come a band who looks like all the rest, and in it's inexperience may even sound a little like the rest (at first) - but just a little off. Just a little different. Just a little better. You may be witnessing the birth of something new. Something shiny. Something as quiet as whisper which will echo into the valleys eternally until it has mustered an unholy avalanche. You may swear off a genre or a fashion or a scene, but when it emerges and stands utterly alone, sillhouetted against the shit-tornado that obscures so much of your vision, and spews fiery liquid gold at your face, you will know it's name is The Lord when it lays it's vengeance upon thee...
(lyrics relevant, actually)
I listen to whatever the fuck I want! Whoooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Genres don't matter as long as I find the music good! Whooooooooooooooo!
Wish more people thought like me.
Genres don't matter as long as I find the music good! Whooooooooooooooo!
Wish more people thought like me.
Never really been a fan of Metalcore as a whole I am not denying that there are some good songs in the genre but overall I just find a lot of the songs to be rather dull focusing on screaming as much as you can and breakdowns. I also find that there isn't much variation in the genre there are bands which definitely stand out and are good but the average song I just find to be lacking.
To me it just always felt like it was trying too hard to be Br00tal whilst completely failing to.
To me it just always felt like it was trying too hard to be Br00tal whilst completely failing to.
I think you miss the point.thatonedude11 said:
They are taking the piss. The whole video is a piss-take on music videos, metalcore, genre boundaries and stereotypical ideas about music everywhere.
Seriously. A metalcore band playing metalcore on a beach, in the water and on surfboards.
Look at almost any other typical metalcore music video and you will see the band playing in a warehouse, in a train-yard, in a deserted house in the middle of fuck-knows-where.
Sorry if you feel stupid for missing the obvious joke.
I thought it was pretty clever of them.
It took too long for Parkway Drive to be posted in this.TheRightToArmBears said:
Yes, there is plenty of terrible metalcore, hell I'm exposed to it all the time because of the gigs I go to and friends I hang with, but there is a tonne of great stuff. Converge are major beasts at it, As I Lay Dying who have already been posted also are pretty awesome, and everyone look up The Ghost Inside if you want a really good band in the more modern take on metalcore.
Fucking christ, man, I did point out that it was my opinion, didn't I? But anywho, at least I can tell apart Slayer and Metallica, or Nightwish, as well as what the fuck they're singing. I find that hard with the majority of black metal and death metal; which to my ears blend together into a same-sounding goop with three chords, no rhythm and fuckall melody.Milk said:
That's actually the douchiest thing I've read since starting this thread. It's like saying Bella Bartok isn't part of the contemporary movement in Classical or that The Black Album wasn't thrash. Besides, some metalcore is harder than heavy metal (e.g. Parkway Drive is heavier than Iron Maiden).idon said:
God I love Protest the Hero. There's an obvious hardcore/punk influence, but you could never just mark them up as metalcore. You just can't. There's too much else there. And I seriously never even thought about the fact that they were forming amidst all this metalcore-getting-popular stuff.Phuctifyno said:
What a perfect band.
Fuck metalsucks.
People who dismiss metalcore as a whole because of bands like Attack Attack! and Miss May I clearly know fuck all about the genre.
How do any of those lack character and thought?
Mathcore is probably the hardest subgenres of metal to play, and it's a subgenre of metalcore.
It's been around almost 20 years.
Metalcore is a genre. It's hybrid genre. Of metal and hardcore. It exists. It's quite a broad term but it exists and it's distinguishable.
There's no such thing as "emo pop" and Korn were never emo, or pop.
And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..
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People who dismiss metalcore as a whole because of bands like Attack Attack! and Miss May I clearly know fuck all about the genre.
This is just wrongBlood Brain Barrier said:
How do any of those lack character and thought?
Mathcore is probably the hardest subgenres of metal to play, and it's a subgenre of metalcore.
New?TheRightToArmBears said:
It's been around almost 20 years.
Yeah don't do that. Screamo isn't an umbrella term, it's a specific genre of music and it has nothing to do with metalcore.bananafishtoday said:
A lot of metalcore doesn't have clean vocals. The old stuff especially.Genocidicles said:
Yeah, that's metalcore.Rabish Bini said:
Jesus christ there is so much fucking wrong with this post.Strazdas said:
Metalcore is a genre. It's hybrid genre. Of metal and hardcore. It exists. It's quite a broad term but it exists and it's distinguishable.
There's no such thing as "emo pop" and Korn were never emo, or pop.
And they're not doing dubstep either. Their latest album was largely electro. But they've never touched dubstep. Jonathan Davis apparently knows nothing about electronic music..
and you clearly don't either. Don't go calling people "stupid" if you're ignorant yourselfStrazdas said:
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I really don't feel stupid, because most 'serious' metalcore/deathcore music videos i have seen (which admittedly isn't many; I just don't like music videos) look just like that(bro-dudes doing something so 'cool' that really has nothing to do with metal), so it can be difficult to tell if a band is doing it ironically or whatever.SpAc3man said: