Poll: Miscarriage: A capital offense?

[MASTACHIEFPWN]

This guy must be a trollolololol.

Seriously? The mother can't really prevent this!

My 1 day old child died, and now I have to too. Does that not sound retarded?

 

[crazyfoxdemon]

This makes me ashamed to be from the South... Seriously everyone.. We're not all idiots down here..

 

[Treblaine]

I can tell the mods are going to have a field day moderating this thread.

It's good to hear the one news broadcast about this is overwhelmingly and explicitly opposed to it and it seems to be just a lone politician.

I have no idea why anyone would come up with a law like this, perhaps a foolish and convoluted attempt at going around the Roe vs Wade ruling that protects abortion rights by simply widening their net from active abortions to all scenarios where a foetus/embryo/whatever ends up destroyed.

 

[Digital_Hero]

How... in any conceivable way.... does this make ANY sense?
A miscarriage is a natural thing, and if I remember correctly, its your body rejecting the fetus.
It can't really be helped, it falls under the category of "Shit happens" as sad as it is.

To make it a CAPITAL OFFENSE is just ridiculous! The mothers don't have control over whether they do or do not miscarriage, nor am I sure that they "intend" upon doing so. (that last statement is in regards to the mothers who desire to keep their children)

This entire bill is ludicrous and should it pass, then the people who decide to pass these laws are simply insane. I can't see a rational human being supporting this. But I've been wrong before :\\

 

[inkheart_artist]

THEY ALL MUST DIIEEE. For real real? Not for play play? Does he plan to make a follow up bill that makes having a period a misdemeanor? lol

I think this is what happens when you pick a random name to vote for on the ballot when you don't know who's on the list to begin with. This guy would appear to be some sort theoretical type of conservative that would have Islamic radicals who feel its fair punishment to stone a woman to death if she cheats on her husband going a-BUUUUH?

 

[Treblaine]

Okay, this is ridiculous. Of course, this is MSNBC we're talking about here, so you can't really trust anything they say.

To me, it looks like one crazy person proposing something incomprehensibly stupid, and these commentators using it to demonize the entire pro-life movement. They didn't just say "this guy is an idiot", they started Republican-bashing, acting like this is normal conservative behavior, and it's a "war on reproductive rights".

This is Fox News level of bull crap.

Of course it is. MSNBC is the liberal Fox. You just never really hear about what jackasses they are because the have nowhere near the level of influence and viewers that Fox has.

They were the news outlet that demonized McCain and heralded Obama as the fricking Messiah at the same time as Fox was saying that Obama wasn't an American citizen.

Shooting the messenger becomes a problem when it distract from the message.

unfortunately neutral news just doesn't sell, not well enough, you have to take and angle and editorialise and the best thing you can do is look at all the angles and have good personal judgement to see where the facts end and the opinions begin.

Can we do that?

Don't be that "i'm a Mac" kid from that Die Hard movie who bitches and moans about having to get critically important information from Fox news. Lesson: Real men- I guess women too - ADULTS can listen to other people's opinions and not be afraid of them infecting their mind. They can discern fact from opinion, home in on the facts and file the opinions in appropriate portion of their memory.

 

[Shycte]

Well, shit that's stupid. I guess it has to do with them being fundamentalist assholes and trying to outlaw abortion. So I guess they are trying to outlaw... illegal abortions? Fuck my head hurts.

 

[jawakiller]

Only in the states, thankgod I live in civilised europe. Also what do expect from a state whose denizens thought it was being invaded during the 2008 South Ossetia war.

Mod Edit: Trolling - please be more careful about berating a country full of people

Bahahaha. Civilized Europe? Dude, you can't even spell it right. I happen know at least one intelligent Georgian. Or maybe he was from Serbia... Anyways, just because one person does (or says) something thats fucked up doesn't mean that the entire country (or continent) is "uncivilised" as some would spell it. Just because Hitler lived in Europe doesn't make the whole continent evil. Hell, it doesn't even make Germany a bad place. Two things: Shut up and quit trolling.

Why is living in a civilized country so great anyways? Define civilized cuz the U.S. pretty much got everybody beat as far as military goes. Yes even China.

 

[Zechnophobe]

In other news, nose bleeds punishable by $20,000 fine and sneezing in public results in 12 hours in the stocks.

Anyone caught scratching their junk or picking their nose shall be shot on sight.

Oh man.. but my junk occasionally gets itchy!

Worst. Law. Ever.

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Yeah I got nothing funny to say about this, why?

My brain decided that it had enough and went on vacation. Thanks law maker!

 

[A Username Not In Use]

Only in the states, thankgod I live in civilised europe. Also what do expect from a state whose denizens thought it was being invaded during the 2008 South Ossetia war.

Mod Edit: Trolling - please be more careful about berating a country full of people

Bahahaha. Civilized Europe? Dude, you can't even spell it right. I happen know at least one intelligent Georgian. Or maybe he was from Serbia... Anyways, just because one person does (or says) something thats fucked up doesn't mean that the entire country (or continent) is "uncivilised" as some would spell it. Just because Hitler lived in Europe doesn't make the whole continent evil. Hell, it doesn't even make Germany a bad place. Two things: Shut up and quit trolling.

Why is living in a civilized country so great anyways? Define civilized cuz the U.S. pretty much got everybody beat as far as military goes. Yes even China.

Yes you have one of the few military forces in history that fled in terror allowing an invading army to enter your captial city unapposed and burn it to the ground, and if your miltary force is so vast and powerful why did you need us to help you in Iraq? Why are you not fighting in Afghanistan on your own? Why do you need us and the rest of ISAF to help you out?

 

[Grand_Arcana]

Okay, that's it. "State's Rights" need to come to an end.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It would most likely be used to punish mothers who miscarry through drug or alcohol abuse.

Now THAT sounds like a crime.

Yeah I'd personally say that recklessly endangering your baby's life for hedonistic purposes is a crime, a pretty nasty one at that.

But my main point is that people really need a checklist before they start bashing a law, something like:

1. Do I actually understand this law?
2. Am I living in a comic book? (seriously)
3. What is this law designed to do?
4. Is my source lying? (in this case incidentally it's 'yes'. Well, it's a lie by omission)
5. Do I actually have the political and legal knowledge I need?

Not meaning to be offensive but most people on here simply do not have the training to understand legal thought. That's evident by the fact that the OP doesn't get the difference between one guy proposing a badly worded law and a huge conspiracy to kill women.

The OP didn't say anything about a conspiracy to kill women. He talking about one Georgia law maker who wanted to make miscarriages a capital crime.

Doesn't sound like a conspiracy.

 

[Discrodia]

According to the Omnigoogle (who was appeased through the various rites) the man who proposes this is also proposing death for abortion, wants the US currency to be reverted to gold and silver, believes public schooling is immoral, thinks that the victim in rape is the attacker, so on an so forth.

To use the technical term, a complete fucking nutjob.

Ergo, he's a sexist moron. This law will NEVER get passed, as abortion is still legal in many states, and it's kinda hard to jump from legal to the death penalty. Not to mention that you know, 50% of the country is female, and if this law got passed there would be such an outcry, and no politician who EVER wants to get part of that voting base (read as: half of all the votes in a state/county/ect) would support it.

In other words, no big deal, crazy asshole, giving it publicity will just make it worse, move along.

 

[jawakiller]

Only in the states, thankgod I live in civilised europe. Also what do expect from a state whose denizens thought it was being invaded during the 2008 South Ossetia war.

Mod Edit: Trolling - please be more careful about berating a country full of people

Bahahaha. Civilized Europe? Dude, you can't even spell it right. I happen know at least one intelligent Georgian. Or maybe he was from Serbia... Anyways, just because one person does (or says) something thats fucked up doesn't mean that the entire country (or continent) is "uncivilised" as some would spell it. Just because Hitler lived in Europe doesn't make the whole continent evil. Hell, it doesn't even make Germany a bad place. Two things: Shut up and quit trolling.

Why is living in a civilized country so great anyways? Define civilized cuz the U.S. pretty much got everybody beat as far as military goes. Yes even China.

Yes you have one of the few military forces in history that fled in terror allowing an invading army to enter your captial city unapposed and burn it to the ground, and if your miltary force is so vast and powerful why did you need us to help you in Iraq? Why are you not fighting in Afghanistan on your own? Why do you need us and the rest of ISAF to help you out?

There is this thing called politics. You don't sound like the kind of person that would understand it but i'll do my best explaining its rudimentary elements. The U.S. doesn't go oppressing poor little Iraq all by themselves, that would appear cruel. Instead they ask several of the more prominent (READ: European) members of the global community to join their party and all of a sudden it becomes a peace-keeping operation. Now the U.S. doesn't look like the Roman empire because they have friends doing the same thing. Why would you leave your capital city undefended? Because who wants to be responsible for a massacre over one city? Would you leave your out-numbered soldiers to die defending some buildings? Did you get all of that? And don't get me wrong, I have nothing against your country (unless you live in Britain), just you personally.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The OP didn't say anything about a conspiracy to kill women. He talking about one Georgia law maker who wanted to make miscarriages a capital crime.

Doesn't sound like a conspiracy.

I meant his source, the MSNBC video. They use the phrase 'a war against'. Though the OP's original wording referred to 'lawmakers' rather than one person which significantly changes the nature of the story.

That is true. Using MSNBC as his source was rather irresponsible on the part of the OP, and he should have made sure not to use the plural form of lawmaker.

I tend to agree with some of the stuff said on MSNBC, but even I recognize that a good portion of it is a crock of shit.

 

[Blemontea]

Ah yes, more pro life old men in denial about their old age lashing out against women for something that is not in their control. While previous post have stated a good point in which
" Miscarriage by Drug or Alcohol" abuse should be the only people affected by the law, one should not be put to death for it. That would be killing two people when it could have been just one.
My thoughts, this law is bad. Thankfully though its only one person trying to pass it and the person may look back and think "you know what this might not work the way i want it to..." and trash it. We can only hope... and im sad there are 26 people who voted miscarriages should die... im hoping that most were as a joke.

 

[superbatranger]

What the...?

Yes, because a Mother really wants to go through the physical and emotional pain of something she cannot control and be punished for it.

This is so stupid, I have no words.

On a posative note; it would never go through and become illegal, no ones that retarded.

Perhaps they're talking about mothers who purposefully induce miscarriages.

What the...?

Yes, because a Mother really wants to go through the physical and emotional pain of something she cannot control and be punished for it.

This is so stupid, I have no words.

On a posative note; it would never go through and become illegal, no ones that retarded.

Perhaps they're talking about mothers who purposefully induce miscarriages.

They are. Read my post above.

This is for both of you.

Where do you draw the line though, what if someone didn't know they were pregnant for, say 14 weeks, (this is more commen than you think) and got so drunk every weekend she lost the baby?

She'll be accused of killing something she never knew she had.

That does raise a tricky question. I guess they would have to determine whether or not the mother was aware of herself being pregnant.

 

[Blobpie]

So we put mothers to death for something that is not in their control? For something that's completely natural? Really? WHY?!

 

[Bobbity]

This is why I hate the extreme right wing - so many of them are religious nutjobs. You can't blame me for saying that, because you know deep inside that it's true
OT: This guy is an idiot for pushing this legislation. He's wrong, and it obviously won't get through. If it does though, I think I might cry.