Poll: New TF2 server plugin kicks F2P players
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Well, this is shocking actually... So I'm one of the f2p ones yet I kicked some p2p ass. So now I can't play with them even though I'm at least as good as them just because I didn't play for the game?
I'd understand if it kicked NEW players under a week\2weeks but just all f2p? That's INTERWEBZ RACISM!
I'd understand if it kicked NEW players under a week\2weeks but just all f2p? That's INTERWEBZ RACISM!
as long as it's only on a few servers, they're free to be assholes, although if they wanted to get rid of the multitude of n00b players faster they should let them play on their servers- routinely playing against people who are way better than you is the best way to improve
I understand it, but there has to be a better way for it.
Of course, if you simply have a good server admin...
Of course, if you simply have a good server admin...
So basically you're asking me:What do I think about an elitist server?
I don't like the idea, there are more newbies than idiots who just want to improve and to be frank if I started a new game and there was a server for veteran players only, I'd feel more than unwelcome. It's just a way to try and funnel out the terrible and stupid players but there are other ways of doing this.
I don't like the idea, there are more newbies than idiots who just want to improve and to be frank if I started a new game and there was a server for veteran players only, I'd feel more than unwelcome. It's just a way to try and funnel out the terrible and stupid players but there are other ways of doing this.
The server i played on installed this plugin. I was quite... um... public about my disgust of it on it's forums. I did pay for it when the orange box came out. But i couldn't stand the principle that i will be playing on a server that discriminates the people that would join.
Actually....it doesn't. Since they are private servers they are ok to use this plug-in.TheIronRuler said:
Though I guess if enough people complain, they will remove them from the server list.
I think this is crap. I'm an F2P, but I'm not planning on jumping into a lot of big games until I get good. We're not all children.
Then again, look at it from a different angle: The obnoxious, elitist loudmouths will take their junk to a server I can't access, and the skilled, non-elitist players will probably still hang out on other servers. That might just work.
Then again, look at it from a different angle: The obnoxious, elitist loudmouths will take their junk to a server I can't access, and the skilled, non-elitist players will probably still hang out on other servers. That might just work.
Just a note; this plugin was in development before F2P was announced.
The plugin actually uses something that's part of the steam api. People who have paid for Team Fortress 2 before F2P came out had something called "Team Fortress 2 Premium." You can't see it on steam normally, but it's there.
The writer of that plugin found it, as it was aded to steam before F2P was announced. At that point, is wasn't that hard to write a plugin to kick players who didn't have it.
Oh, and any server with the plugin is a self solvign problem.
Valve has a system by which servers are rated. For a server to get a good rating, players must spend lots of time there, as well, you spend time on servers you like. But if you don't spend time there, the server's rating goes down. Therefore, if a player is kicked as soon as they join, the server's rating goes down because the player spent less thana second there. If you've got lots of players constantly trying to connect and then getting kicked by a plugin, the server's rating plummets.
The plugin actually uses something that's part of the steam api. People who have paid for Team Fortress 2 before F2P came out had something called "Team Fortress 2 Premium." You can't see it on steam normally, but it's there.
The writer of that plugin found it, as it was aded to steam before F2P was announced. At that point, is wasn't that hard to write a plugin to kick players who didn't have it.
Oh, and any server with the plugin is a self solvign problem.
Valve has a system by which servers are rated. For a server to get a good rating, players must spend lots of time there, as well, you spend time on servers you like. But if you don't spend time there, the server's rating goes down. Therefore, if a player is kicked as soon as they join, the server's rating goes down because the player spent less thana second there. If you've got lots of players constantly trying to connect and then getting kicked by a plugin, the server's rating plummets.
I don't see what the problem is at all.
This isn't a vanilla TF2 update, it's a plugin. If TF2 players can make mods to turn all the characters into furries and make dispensers sound like Portal turrets, they can make a F2P filter. In addition, the elitist punks that think F2P=Noob can freely go use a filtered server. That just means there's less of them on the F2P-allowed servers.
So do I like the plugin idea? Yeah, it means the people that complain about F2P ruining TF2 have no reason to be near said F2P players. That's great! Less arguments, more ruthless killing! Erm, gameplay!
Moreover, if you COULD get on a server where people hate F2P players enough to establish a filter against them, would you? I think an insta-kick beats getting constantly insulted and considered a lesser being by my own teammates.
This isn't a vanilla TF2 update, it's a plugin. If TF2 players can make mods to turn all the characters into furries and make dispensers sound like Portal turrets, they can make a F2P filter. In addition, the elitist punks that think F2P=Noob can freely go use a filtered server. That just means there's less of them on the F2P-allowed servers.
So do I like the plugin idea? Yeah, it means the people that complain about F2P ruining TF2 have no reason to be near said F2P players. That's great! Less arguments, more ruthless killing! Erm, gameplay!
Moreover, if you COULD get on a server where people hate F2P players enough to establish a filter against them, would you? I think an insta-kick beats getting constantly insulted and considered a lesser being by my own teammates.
Some of us have actually PAID for TF2, but just didn't buy the PC version. I own in for the 360 and downloaded TF2 on Steam when it went F2P because I don't want to pay for the same game TWICE for two systems. I own it on the Orange Box for the 360 and now I own it on Steam. What is truly the definition of a F2P player?
I'll tell you. A F2P player is someone who's getting undeserved crap for downloading a game for free when the makers of that game wanted people to have it for free. This plugin is absolute crap and just shows how stupid people who bought the game on Steam before this F2P update are becoming. They think that they are the only ones who deserve to be playing TF2 because they paid for it on Steam. I paid for it in a store. With Portal and Half Life 2 - Half Life 2 Episode 2. I just downloaded it for my PC when it went free so as not to waste money buying the same game twice just with more features. So I still bought the game, I'm just someone who now owns two copies. One I paid for and one I didn't have to.
The point?
Elitists are stupid, entitled pricks who are just trying to wreck the game they love so much by trying to get people to stop playing.
HERPITY DERP.
I'll tell you. A F2P player is someone who's getting undeserved crap for downloading a game for free when the makers of that game wanted people to have it for free. This plugin is absolute crap and just shows how stupid people who bought the game on Steam before this F2P update are becoming. They think that they are the only ones who deserve to be playing TF2 because they paid for it on Steam. I paid for it in a store. With Portal and Half Life 2 - Half Life 2 Episode 2. I just downloaded it for my PC when it went free so as not to waste money buying the same game twice just with more features. So I still bought the game, I'm just someone who now owns two copies. One I paid for and one I didn't have to.
The point?
Elitists are stupid, entitled pricks who are just trying to wreck the game they love so much by trying to get people to stop playing.
HERPITY DERP.
i agree with this because 1. F2P people are stupid and annoying to play with
2.I'd rather play with people that have invested in TF2 why because they are less likely to ruin the game for others knowing that they money for it aswell
3.personally F2P people has done nothing for the other players. all they do is piss on the other players
4.its optional
2.I'd rather play with people that have invested in TF2 why because they are less likely to ruin the game for others knowing that they money for it aswell
3.personally F2P people has done nothing for the other players. all they do is piss on the other players
4.its optional
Oh that's just lovely... No, no it isn't, it's disgusting.
Each and every player starts off as a noob, you can't just go treating them as vermin while forgetting that you were once exactly the same, that's just disgraceful.
Each and every player starts off as a noob, you can't just go treating them as vermin while forgetting that you were once exactly the same, that's just disgraceful.
I don't care...If people host their own servers they should be free to boot whomever they want. I regularly host online games between me and a select few of friends, anyone else who joins is liable to be kicked for not good reason, and I fail to see how an irrelevant reason is any worse than none at all.
Everyone was new at some point. F2P players are just new. Give them time and they'll get better. Whether or not they paid for the damn game or not doesn't reflect ACTUAL SKILL. That'd be like in order to cook you'd need to buy an extra cereal bowl. IT MAKES NO SENSE.DrDango said:
Personally, I don't see what YOU'RE doing for the other players. What are YOU doing that F2P players aren't? They play, you play. Difference? THEY'RE NEW.
Really? I've been playing since '07 and it's always been like that. Counter Strike is much the same way. In fact, play Garry's Mod for a few minutes and you'll find that those things you listed are the entire gameplay experience. Well, sans the trading. This is PC gaming, home of griefing, hacking, and generally being insufferable on the internet. All hail the master race.febel said:
F2P players are just a convenient scapegoat that people are using so they can ***** about all the problems PC gaming has always had. It's not like Team Fortress 2 is hard to understand or difficult to get into. The Scout runs, The Pyro lights things on fire, The Engineer camps, and The Spy pisses everyone off. In fact, there seems to be this assumption that new TF2 players are also new PC gaming players, and that is not the case. Chances are, there are only 3 groups playing:
-People who paid 20 bucks before F2P got implemented.
-People who never bothered to shell out 20 bucks for this game and stuck to things like Crysis, Counter-Strike, Tremulous, The Ship, Unreal Tournament, and the multitude of other First Person Shooters on the PC
-People who would normally be in the second group, but got upgraded to paid status after buying a hat or gun in the store.
Oh look. People are offended on the internet due to other people being elitist jerks.
Also, rofl, I'm sorry to say for those that don't think otherwise but this isn't 'racism, prejudist evil, zomg hitler call 911'. It's a game. They also paid for the servers so if they feel like it, yes indeed, you won't be playing on their servers. Their loss. ... Or not.
Also, rofl, I'm sorry to say for those that don't think otherwise but this isn't 'racism, prejudist evil, zomg hitler call 911'. It's a game. They also paid for the servers so if they feel like it, yes indeed, you won't be playing on their servers. Their loss. ... Or not.
