Poll: New TF2 server plugin kicks F2P players

[T1tan45]

Some of us have actually PAID for TF2, but just didn't buy the PC version. I own in for the 360 and downloaded TF2 on Steam when it went F2P because I don't want to pay for the same game TWICE for two systems. I own it on the Orange Box for the 360 and now I own it on Steam. What is truly the definition of a F2P player?

I'll tell you. A F2P player is someone who's getting undeserved crap for downloading a game for free when the makers of that game wanted people to have it for free. This plugin is absolute crap and just shows how stupid people who bought the game on Steam before this F2P update are becoming. They think that they are the only ones who deserve to be playing TF2 because they paid for it on Steam. I paid for it in a store. With Portal and Half Life 2 - Half Life 2 Episode 2. I just downloaded it for my PC when it went free so as not to waste money buying the same game twice just with more features. So I still bought the game, I'm just someone who now owns two copies. One I paid for and one I didn't have to.

The point?

Elitists are stupid, entitled pricks who are just trying to wreck the game they love so much by trying to get people to stop playing.

HERPITY DERP.

I agree with you, I feel like people are taking this a bit too seriously.
I was glad that they made it free, because I own the orange box as well, and I enjoy playing TF2 on the computer more then I do on my 360.

 

[Snotnarok]

It's fine because the server is not owned by valve, it's 3rd party owned and run they can do what they want with what they pay for. It's really hard to argue that.

This is like that goofy argument I keep hearing where people are upset someone will turn off options for guns in other games and I just respond "so...play another server". Which is what free to play players should do if they run into a server like that.

 

[Phoenix_XIII]

F2P player

Does that refer to people who started playing after the game became F2P, or people who haven't got premium accounts?

how can you have had the game before it was free and not have a premium account...

Owning it on a system.

 

[lockeslylcrit]

Sounds fine with me. Servers are private entities, and thus they can choose to restrict whoever they want. There are even national servers out there who restrict players to said nation or language, so why should restricting F2P players be any different?

 

[wordsmith]

Sounds like shitty admining to be honest. I'd rather have a server full of F2P's that are up for a laugh, don't take it too seriously and are playing for fun, than a server full of butthurt veterans who call hax every time you kill them.

As a side note, anyone struggling to find a server is welcome on the Escapist servers, we're over on The Escapist TF2 Group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/chat/The-Escapist-Team-Fortress-2-Group-PC] , click the links in the description and you'll join the server automatically.

 

[quhouv vhqwiufv qwiu]

If Valve won't do anything about the servers which give users premium benefits like unsappable sentries and cloaking on snipers, then they can't try and stop this without some serious backlash.

 

[Sightless Wisdom]

I'm fine with it, I mean if you want to have a server with a certain group of people you can put a password on it. Which acts in a similar way to this plugin in that it keeps some people out and lets others in. The only difference is that the outside group is determined by what they paid(or rather didn't pay) for the game. Not a big deal as there will always be more servers that are open to everyone, and if there aren't... you can always host your own for fairly cheap.

 

[AgDr_ODST]

I don't play TF2 that often, but when I do I don't wanna have to deal with the potential irritations that I've heard some if not all F2P have been bringing to games...so yeah I support it.

 

[Zabriskie Point]

They pay for the servers, they can do whatever they want with them. That includes not letting F2P players join.

Also, the poll options are too strict. I don't like or dislike the plugin, but I support server owners' rights to using the plugin.

 

[Frankster]

Friendliest online community my jingleballs from the sounds of it.

I've made a point of unequipping any hats and items so I play with "naked" characters and have fun making people rage when they think i'm f2p.

And if I'm doing well, I say stuff like "wow this game is really easy" and "heh, only took me about an hour to learn this game!", it's easy to get people's nickers in a twist in tf2.

 

[Ephyon]

In game, no one knows whether you are a F2P player or not.

 

[Knusper]

Well if you pay for the server, you really have the right to use the plugin. Not that I'm against F2P players, though. This is one of the few times that Valve have given me a decent hat.

 

[Father Tunde]

I think it's disgusting, and I don't even play the game! Why penalize people for saving a couple of quid? F2P palyer does not equal a bad or rude player. Looks like the elitism hierarchy will need a tweaking:

1. P2P PC Gamers
2. F2P PC Gamers
3. PS3/360 Gamers
4. wii Gamers
5. Facebook Gamers

lol what about iPhone gamers

I'm pretty sure the P2Players don't even recognise them as gamers.

 

[qeinar]

the idea of owning a server is that you can decide who gets to play on there, and that you play how you want to play. theres national servers where you get kicked for not beeing from a certin country, so to me it seems fair if people don't want to play with f2p players then they can do so. theres a shit ton of servers that don't care if your a f2p or not, i certainly do not.

 

[Appleshampoo]

Wow. Just wow. I've been really playing TF2 a lot in the past few weeks since it went F2P, and I've NEVER ran into some F2P idiot. In fact, I can't even tell the difference. I often wonder if that medic healing me is F2P due to the fact that he doesn't have any hats and only the basic weapons, but you know what? He gives me the heals, we get the top 2 scores for our team.

I don't care if you're F2P or P2P, if you play well, great. If you play bad, well that has nothing to do with money or hats, just down to you personally being bad.

Also, I won't be playing on any server that announces it has this 'mod'.

 

[Caffeine Rage]

I wish that there was more options in the poll. Not just to be one of those who says that there isn't ever enough options. But, this isn't an issue that you can really be just for or just against.

Where I stand on it is it is up to those who pay the bill for the server in question. Their server, their rules. Granted, this makes for some servers that are really bad unless you fork over money to the all mighty admin. But, it also clumps people that I wouldn't want to deal with into those servers. Let them have pay to win servers where you have to pay a subscription fee. Saves me the trouble of muting players in the long run.

It is the same idea here. Those who set up and play on those servers with knowledge that the plug-in is on it will likely make the lives of F2P players a living hell. Yelling at them for the smallest of mistakes and being general asses to anyone that they even think is a F2P player. If they want their little private sandbox, let them have it. It cleans up the pool of players for those who don't mind the F2P players.

For full disclosure, I'm a P2P player. I've had the game for quite some time and I'm fairly decent. I'm not going to be in any pro leagues. But, I can hold my own most of the time.

Do I personally mind playing with F2P players? No, some of them are surprisingly skilled and can put up a good fight. Others, no so much. But, those who aren't very skilled in TF2 and wish to learn and improve in the game, I have no issues with.

Everyone started a newbie.

 

[Spy_Guy]

I voted "I like this plugin idea" simply because it's about the freedom of server owners to do what they want.

When someone pays for a dedibox or similar, it's up to them to decide what goes on in that box.
Do they want F2P people there, F2P people gets to go there.
If they don't want F2P people there, then the F2P people doesn't get to go there.

It's not your "right" to play on anyone's server. I mean, when we're on the subject, how about banning password-protected servers? I mean, it's like discriminatory! Just because I don't happen to belong to the group of people knowing the arbitrary string of letters I can't join!
VAVLE BAN PLZZZZZZZ!

You know, the sense of entitlement some people have... really...
No wonder you can't ban people anymore without having to deal with a DDoS these days :/

I personally don't mind F2P:s, far from it (they're great fun to backstab repeatedly), and some of my good friends play for free. I mean, as far as I'm concerned this plugin might as well not exist, because people can, as others have mentioned, join more welcoming servers.

So, please drop that attitude. You have absolutely no rights to play on anyone's server. They spend time and money (servers are expensive) in order to keep their server up, because they are nice. Every time you're playing on a server, always know that there's a LOT of work behind it.

Though, if we're talking plugins that shouldn't exist, how about that playercount-spoofing thing? Or the thing that assigns various names and pings to bots, so you think you're playing on a server with people on it.
That if anything, is unethical.

 

[A Free Man]

How could you possibly complain about this plugin? The only people who it really affects are those that got the game for free and to those people I would say YOU GOT THE GAME FOR BLOODY NOTHING. If you complain about anything to do with it you are expecting far too much from a free game.

 

[JochemDude]

Good, all good servers have rules. Wether it's to block specific player or certain styles of playing. All that gives a way better server.
Sorry for the guys that want to get in, but it's not like it's the only server out there.

 

[GeorgW]

I think it's pretty offensive, why would being F2P influence your skill, but the way I see it is that if they don't want F2P players, then I'm pretty sure that the F2P players wouldn't want to be there either.
When will the opposite plugin come?