You dont need anything they are giving away for you spending $5 early to pre-order it. also online pass is a way to fight game resales.. wont ever effect me since I hold on to my games.
Poll: Personal Issue with Batman: Arkham City
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When I first saw the story I was really annoyed, but actually now I agree. I'd rather they rewarded new purchasers rather than punished everyone in order to combat the pre-owned market. For the record, I do but a large proportion of my games pre-owned.Abandon4093 said:
This sense of entitlement really pisses me off. You realise the cost of making games has grown exponentially since the early 90s when games were sometimes $80 each? And that many games, even ones that sell millions of copies, lose money? Deus Ex HR is one of the most ambitious games in years, has a huge budget and has not made it's money back. Theres a whole bunch of examples in the past year such as rage and resistance 3 which will lose money.
It's either accept the optional extras that get them a little extra money, or accept massively dumbed down games. You do not deserve the "full" experience just because you bought the disc. They have a right to put whatever they want into the default experience and whatever they want into extras. If GTAIV cut half of it's content for extras, it would still have 10 times as much content as other games you no doubt have no problem with paying for. Luckily they're only doing very small things like superficial skins, and you should be praising them for it not protesting. Used games make them no money, they have a right to lock you out completely as PC games do, but they don't. They allow you to basically pirate the game whilst paying a fee to a company like gamespot that adds nothing creatively, and yet you still protest. It's people like you that pump hundreds of millions into a flash game rip off that cost next to nothing to make and complain at having to pay a mere $60 for a game that took 3 years and cost $50m.
I rent 90% of the games I play, and I feel no entitlement to this extra content since I'm not giving any money to the creators. It shouldn't be available for me to do this, I'm paying less than 10% what it costs to buy these games, and I feel guilty about it. But I save the small amount of money I do pay for retail games towards studios who are ambitious and innovating.
It's either accept the optional extras that get them a little extra money, or accept massively dumbed down games. You do not deserve the "full" experience just because you bought the disc. They have a right to put whatever they want into the default experience and whatever they want into extras. If GTAIV cut half of it's content for extras, it would still have 10 times as much content as other games you no doubt have no problem with paying for. Luckily they're only doing very small things like superficial skins, and you should be praising them for it not protesting. Used games make them no money, they have a right to lock you out completely as PC games do, but they don't. They allow you to basically pirate the game whilst paying a fee to a company like gamespot that adds nothing creatively, and yet you still protest. It's people like you that pump hundreds of millions into a flash game rip off that cost next to nothing to make and complain at having to pay a mere $60 for a game that took 3 years and cost $50m.
I rent 90% of the games I play, and I feel no entitlement to this extra content since I'm not giving any money to the creators. It shouldn't be available for me to do this, I'm paying less than 10% what it costs to buy these games, and I feel guilty about it. But I save the small amount of money I do pay for retail games towards studios who are ambitious and innovating.
Ok, everyone say it with me.WindScar said:
"The developers and publishers do not make any money from second hand game sales."
I think I'm one of the few people here who actually did want the other skins (DKR, Neal Adams era, Animated Series) and I did find it annoying that you needed to pay either for the premium edition or get multiple copies of the game including from obscure websites. I am confident that you can just DLC them later though. If not, the griping will commence in earnest.
You're going to have to accept one of these days that you can't get all preorder bonuses from one store. It's the publisher rewarding everyone who buys the game new, no matter where they buy from.WindScar said:
No. Wrong. Catwoman is a bonus downloadable pack not included on the disc (about 250MB). Instead of punishing used buyers, the publisher is rewarding people who buy the game new. Now, if you claim to love the series then why don't you feel that Rocksteady deserves their share of the profit from a new game sale? (namely, yours)WindScar said:
So that's the point of this thread? To spite Warner Bros and Rocksteady for trying to make a profit?WindScar said:
That's kinda lame and a bit childish bro.
I loathe that kind of business model as well, but it's not enough to stop me from getting it. It's just skins, it's not like they matter...
I'll even be getting the CE since I absolutely loved the first one and think Rocksteady (and WB >.<) deserve my money.
I'll even be getting the CE since I absolutely loved the first one and think Rocksteady (and WB >.<) deserve my money.
My problems with the gaming world, no. 46
'I'm only outraged when it's me.'
Games have been doing this for years. Unless you (this being a general you, not just to the writer of the OP) complained just as loudly for every game that did it, regardless of whether you were even vaguely interested or not, then whatever you say smacks of hypocrisy. If you didn't care enough when some other poor sod was getting squeezed for every penny, just because it wasn't a franchise you personally didn't like, then why should I care about you?
Sure, I don't expect you to know about every single game, but I suspect if I went through the whole list of games which have been doing this, I'd find one that you just didn't care about, but did still know about, and yet didn't seem outraged then.
All or nothing guys and girls, all or nothing. This is also reason no. 3 why I hate politics.
'I'm only outraged when it's me.'
Games have been doing this for years. Unless you (this being a general you, not just to the writer of the OP) complained just as loudly for every game that did it, regardless of whether you were even vaguely interested or not, then whatever you say smacks of hypocrisy. If you didn't care enough when some other poor sod was getting squeezed for every penny, just because it wasn't a franchise you personally didn't like, then why should I care about you?
Sure, I don't expect you to know about every single game, but I suspect if I went through the whole list of games which have been doing this, I'd find one that you just didn't care about, but did still know about, and yet didn't seem outraged then.
All or nothing guys and girls, all or nothing. This is also reason no. 3 why I hate politics.
Games have done that for ages. I suppose you have to pick one, but for convenience sake, I'm getting the Robin one because my local Gamestation does the Robin DLC.
I think paying to play as Catwoman is ridiculous, online passes really piss me off.
I pre-ordered it today, it's the first game I'm buying on first day of release in a while. ;_;
I think paying to play as Catwoman is ridiculous, online passes really piss me off.
I pre-ordered it today, it's the first game I'm buying on first day of release in a while. ;_;
Skins are purely cosmetic. This is the kind of thing that SHOULD be relegated to pre-orders, because they don't effect gameplay. As for making you pay for Catwoman if you buy used...Im sorry, but this bugs me. Companies who do this have EVERY DAMN RIGHT to do so, and it is COMPLETELY FAIR. People can whine all they want about how they paid for a game and company greed. The undeniable fact remains that buying a game used means that the company that made the game are not getting a single cent for something they made. By charging for catwoman, they dare to insist on the idea that they should get some money for their work. But they arn't even insisting that they get paid more then the people who put a sticker on the used game and walk it over to a shelf. Vague, idealistic blathering says that companies shouldn't do this, but mathamatics begs to differ.
All of these are little extras, they're not the main game or even a sizable chunk of it. I honestly couldn't care less about the pre-order skins; Batman is Batman no matter the costume and I don't like the character enough to care about any one costume more than any other. And as for Catwoman, I think it's a good way to encourage sales of new games; instead of punishing the used buyer by cutting out half the game, reward the new buyer by giving them a little extra mileage from the game. Though it is a MASSIVE dick-move dangling Catwoman in everyone's faces as early as possible and then announcing it was only available, without buying a pass, for new sales less than a week before the release.
In short; I have not pre-ordered it but will be buying Arkham City new. This is the way the industry should encourage new sales and it should be encouraged.
In short; I have not pre-ordered it but will be buying Arkham City new. This is the way the industry should encourage new sales and it should be encouraged.
the OP of this thread is exercising his/her right not to purchase something and that is cool, I do not care what thier reason is.
Me, I preordered it from Amazon cause I want to play the game, period. I STILL play arkham asylum on occasion. so as scummy as the DLC practices are, since they did not directly affect me (IE I was gonna buy it new anyway) I felt no need to hand down what pithy punishment I could by not buying.
both are awesome because nothing compells either of us to make our choices but our own free will.
Me, I preordered it from Amazon cause I want to play the game, period. I STILL play arkham asylum on occasion. so as scummy as the DLC practices are, since they did not directly affect me (IE I was gonna buy it new anyway) I felt no need to hand down what pithy punishment I could by not buying.
both are awesome because nothing compells either of us to make our choices but our own free will.
I fail to see where you are correct. You stated that you have to 'unlock' Catwoman with a code, I said you have to 'download' Catwoman separate from the game.WindScar said:
Two totally different things bro.
