Poll: Replacement for the M16?
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Major problem though is that the round does have the proper power, also I've heard it's crap when It comes to terrain, water and sand will make the thing jam easy.-AC80- said:
No, no rifles currently in development(that I know of at least) warrant the cost of completely reequipping and retraining hundreds of thousands of servicemen and women. The only exception to this is M-4 which is replacing the M-16 in places where CQB is much more common, this is being done due to the fact that the M-4 is a carbine, and much better suited for urban warfare. As a matter of fact, The US Air Force Security Forces have already made a complete transition to the M-4. That being said, the M-16 is not going anywhere for quite some time.
And on a side note, why are so many people here calling the M-16 crap? From what I see most people are choosing weapons based on looks, what they have seen in games, or by political motivation.
Misinformation is fun isn't it? If you ask anyone who knows jack about firearms they will tell you that the M-16 is a great rifle. Just about any list of best combat rifles has the M-16 there, for the obvious reason that it is a highly effective weapon. Maybe if you stopped sipping your hateraid for awhile you can research a topic before spouting hate.Akai Shizuku said:
And on a side note, why are so many people here calling the M-16 crap? From what I see most people are choosing weapons based on looks, what they have seen in games, or by political motivation.
That was canceled some time ago actually.AWDMANOUT said:
Nice look. Now to see whether it's up to spec. Sometimes new designs are surprisingly good and sometimes they suck.Dmatix said:
Bullpup gives you a longer barrel in a shorter weapon, 518mm of barrel in 780mm of L85 giving 940m/s muzzle velocity versus 508mm of barrel in 1006mm of M16A2 (the variant that uses the same ammo) giving 910 m/s muzzle velocity. In between them you get 646mm of barrel in the 900mm L86 giving you 970 m/s but that's a 7.3kg weapon, which is quite a lot.
How about the AK102 or AK108?
How about something like the Tavor or AK108 in something like 5x55mm? I know, I know, new ammo's a pain in everybody's butt.
SA80 is "small arms of the '80s" and includes the L85 individual weapon (assault rifle), the L86 light support weapon (light machine gun) and the L98 cadet general purpose rifle. The first two have gas ports in the foresight block and fire selectors. The L98 has a long arm going forwards from the bolt to a large cocking handle on a rail on the right side of the barrel extension (receiver in M16 terms) and the action has to be manually cycled after each shot. This means marginally more power goes into the bullet because none is being used to cycle the action and, more significantly, means there are no moving parts other than the bullet from the moment it leaves the cartridge, so the L98 is a more accurate weapon than the L85 if you're good enough to show it. You do have to be a bit bigger than some of the little 14-year-old fairies I've seen struggling to cock the thing, though, or you'll be shaking like a leaf every time.Trivun said:
L98A1 with a SUSAT (sight unit small arms trilux, 4x32):
... and with iron sights / carrying handle:
L85A1 with SUSAT:
L86A2 with SUSAT (A2 variant giveaway is the tall teardrop cocking handle):
... and with iron sights / carrying handle:
L85A1 with SUSAT:
L86A2 with SUSAT (A2 variant giveaway is the tall teardrop cocking handle):
AK47: reliable, easy to maintain, good for handing out by the thousands to conscripts you can't be bothered to train for more than a week. Kicks like a *****, has the barrel way above your shoulder so the kick makes it rise a lot, is about accurate enough to "kill every mother&*&*&r in the room" and no more than that and is still working. I think it's a bit like the Sten, which was designed specially to allow some Belgian blacksmith to make half a dozen of them out of scrap metal over a weekend and to fire the abundant 9x19mm Luger ammunition.
As for old designs that are still good still being in use,
I want one, and a big supply of Glaser Blue ammunition for it ... for rabbits. I'm not sure what calibre, though. .357 Mag, maybe?
The same SMLE was converted (twice) to become the Enfield L39A1, L42A1 and Enforcer [http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn44-e.htm], still manufactured into the 1980s.
Not True. The standard rifle for the British forces is the L85, a bullpup rifle that can be fired in semi-automatic or Automatic, The British forces stopped using pure semi-automatic rifles (The L1A1) in the 80s after problems in Northern Ireland with overpowering and general upgrading.Trivun said:
(Sorry. Family in the military, Joining the RAF in about 5 years after University.)
OT: Go with the same motto the US Forces use for the M60
"If it ain't broke, Don't fix it"
M16s are cheap, accurate and reliable. No point changing.
Yeah, someone already mentioned that, I just never got around to editing my original post. The L-98 is just a general purpose cadet-use rifle that's essentially just a modified version of the L-85, so it fires bolt-action instead of semi-automatic. Though younger friends of mine from my old school who still go there and are still part of the CCF (I left two years ago for university) have informed me that they've replaced the L-98 now with a different modified version of L-85, that fires semi-automatic instead of bolt-action. Not sure how true that is, since I haven't seen it (and I'm not sure how wise it would be to give cadets semi-automatics with live ammo...), but that's what I've been told.WINDOWCLEAN2 said:
there is no replacement for the M-16, and short of some sort of the invention of completely new technology (such as reliable cassless ammunition) i don't think that the M-16 Will be changed.
sure, the M-16 may not have the best accuracy of some rifles, or may not be reliabile as others, but it has the absolute best mix of reliability, capability, and killing potential that it has become nigh impossible to replace. this is why the m-16 has become so hard to replace in the first place. so much so that we are not acctually replacing M-16s, but rather improving on their design by modifing single attributes of them.
even weapons that look to replace the M16 such as the M27, the M6a4, the HK416 arn't really replacing it... all of these guns are 80% the same to the M4s or M16s currently in service, but instead only replaces out a few key parts (the bolt, or the reciver, or the action)
sure, the M-16 may not have the best accuracy of some rifles, or may not be reliabile as others, but it has the absolute best mix of reliability, capability, and killing potential that it has become nigh impossible to replace. this is why the m-16 has become so hard to replace in the first place. so much so that we are not acctually replacing M-16s, but rather improving on their design by modifing single attributes of them.
even weapons that look to replace the M16 such as the M27, the M6a4, the HK416 arn't really replacing it... all of these guns are 80% the same to the M4s or M16s currently in service, but instead only replaces out a few key parts (the bolt, or the reciver, or the action)
That means nothing will change. US BADASS! TERRORISTS SUCK! ARGHGHGHHG! KILL!tellmeimaninja said:
Unless a clone army decides to rise up.
They were discontinued I think....Willsor said:
DO NOT BELIEVE BFBC2! OVER THERE EVEN A TREE LOOKS LIKE A BADASS FIREARM!
It was a joke, chiil.nairb1582 said:
And also if the USMC still use the M16, it should settle for any squad.
We still use the M16 due to its reliablity as a rifle.
Of course there are possible replacements, like the recently made FN Scar series.
Of course there are possible replacements, like the recently made FN Scar series.
I remember reading an article in a U.S. Army newspaper where they compared a carbine (I believe it was this^) to the standard M-16. The HK416 is better on many fronts but they have a contract with the makers of the M-16. So, until that contract's up, that's what they're sticking with.capin Rob said:It was Orignally going to be that, But It WILL be the HK416.AWDMANOUT said:
