Poll: Sci-Fi vs. Fantasy,who wins?
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In terms of space marines, then yes. Space marines have a crusader/ paladin sort of look with many of their people and troops wearing tapestries, robes, and other such artifacts. the other races like Imperial guard and elder, are less religiously symbolism.tthor said:
Just so you don't invoke anger in some die hard fans if anything WoW (and star craft) copied Warhammer (not 40k) as originally blizzard worked for games workshop, but their project was canceled with them left with some of the remnants, which the recycled into warcraft and/or starcraft.
To get an overall winner, this epic confrontation should be broken down a little, rather than just going in straight at the "It just wins because..." level.
We shall engage in 3 battles. The first at ground level with the troops, beasts and weapons of the respective genres. The second shall be a battle of the greatest warriors, leaders and representatives. The third shall be a titanic, cosmic battle with no holds barred. Begin:
Round 1:
Star Wars battle droid army gains an early lead over Sauron's orc army, due to the range of their energy weapons. Elves join the fray but their arrows are unable to injure the metallic menace. Star Trek personnel beam in and out of battle, killing dwarves with their phasers but taking very little damage in return.
A horde of undead zombies, led by a lich are able eventually to push back the robots, but some Predators join the fight and make short work of them.
Winner: Sci-Fi
Round 2:
Luke Skywalker and Yoda start jumping about the place, throwing their lightsabers every which way. Rand Al'Thor balefires them. Neo and Morpheus dodge the balefire in bulletime and are about to use their Kung Fu when Belgarath the Sorcerer wills their modem connection to go offline, disconnecting them.
Spock sneaks up on Belgarath and drops him with a nerve pinch just as Arnie the Terminator kills Rand Al'Thor with a one-liner (and pulling out his spine). Gandalf and Pug appear out of nowhere and with waved hands and staves, Spock and the Cyberdyne Systems T-101 are disintegrated.
Winner: Fantasy
Round 3:
As the Covenant armada begins razing the surface of different continents and the Death Star begins charging up it's main laser, Garion, with the Orb of Aldur gathers his will and says "Burn". They explode into flame.
The Reapers finally arrive through a Mass Relay but without Shepard, who was inadvertently killed by a Beholder in the previous round, the Reapers are able to roam unchecked. The Bhaalspawn, fresh from his fight with Melissan fancies one last hurrah. The Reapers start talking in deep voices while the last child of Bhaal unleashes various spells including Time Stop, Abi Dazim's Horrid Wilting and Comet. Abi Dazim has no effect as there is no moisture in the Reapers, but being hit by comets does the trick.
Jean Grey as Phoenix and Galactus unite to strike the killing blow against fantasy once and for all but Thomas Covenant and Sparhawk with the Bhelliom wipe them out before they enter the solar system.
Winner: Fantasy
Overall Winner: Fantasy
It seems sci-fi doesn't have an answer for the unbridled might of fantasy's hardest hitters, though at ground level, the superior technology, communications and shields/teleporters give them a clear edge. But after the troops are done, fantasy's greatest heroes make short work of them and their leaders and generally with little more effort than concentrating.
The laser may be mightier than the sword but magic is mightier than technology!
We shall engage in 3 battles. The first at ground level with the troops, beasts and weapons of the respective genres. The second shall be a battle of the greatest warriors, leaders and representatives. The third shall be a titanic, cosmic battle with no holds barred. Begin:
Round 1:
Star Wars battle droid army gains an early lead over Sauron's orc army, due to the range of their energy weapons. Elves join the fray but their arrows are unable to injure the metallic menace. Star Trek personnel beam in and out of battle, killing dwarves with their phasers but taking very little damage in return.
A horde of undead zombies, led by a lich are able eventually to push back the robots, but some Predators join the fight and make short work of them.
Winner: Sci-Fi
Round 2:
Luke Skywalker and Yoda start jumping about the place, throwing their lightsabers every which way. Rand Al'Thor balefires them. Neo and Morpheus dodge the balefire in bulletime and are about to use their Kung Fu when Belgarath the Sorcerer wills their modem connection to go offline, disconnecting them.
Spock sneaks up on Belgarath and drops him with a nerve pinch just as Arnie the Terminator kills Rand Al'Thor with a one-liner (and pulling out his spine). Gandalf and Pug appear out of nowhere and with waved hands and staves, Spock and the Cyberdyne Systems T-101 are disintegrated.
Winner: Fantasy
Round 3:
As the Covenant armada begins razing the surface of different continents and the Death Star begins charging up it's main laser, Garion, with the Orb of Aldur gathers his will and says "Burn". They explode into flame.
The Reapers finally arrive through a Mass Relay but without Shepard, who was inadvertently killed by a Beholder in the previous round, the Reapers are able to roam unchecked. The Bhaalspawn, fresh from his fight with Melissan fancies one last hurrah. The Reapers start talking in deep voices while the last child of Bhaal unleashes various spells including Time Stop, Abi Dazim's Horrid Wilting and Comet. Abi Dazim has no effect as there is no moisture in the Reapers, but being hit by comets does the trick.
Jean Grey as Phoenix and Galactus unite to strike the killing blow against fantasy once and for all but Thomas Covenant and Sparhawk with the Bhelliom wipe them out before they enter the solar system.
Winner: Fantasy
Overall Winner: Fantasy
It seems sci-fi doesn't have an answer for the unbridled might of fantasy's hardest hitters, though at ground level, the superior technology, communications and shields/teleporters give them a clear edge. But after the troops are done, fantasy's greatest heroes make short work of them and their leaders and generally with little more effort than concentrating.
The laser may be mightier than the sword but magic is mightier than technology!
I say, wherever Dragonball Z goes, so too does victory. By super-saiyan 3 levels, all possible opposition is annihilated. Ignoring Dragonball Z for a minute, let's look at some of the most powerful forces in the various sci-fi and fantasy worlds.
Sci-fi: Low-orbit ion cannon/obscenely huge and powerful wave motion cannons. The Death Star and other technological feats of similar size and power, pretty much. I don't think we've ever seen the absolute most powerful fighters in the entire Dragonball mythos truly cut loose and straight up destroy a planet, but it's hard to believe any of the Dragonball Z characters could vaporize a planet like the Death Star did.
Fantasy: Well, maybe there's some opposition to be had, as there are any number of characters in any fantasy story that are gods or god-like. The best example that leaps to my mind would be the gods in David Eddings Belgariad, particularly UL, the father of a whole world. Of course, their powers are based around simply having unimaginable will-power, and against the colossal pride and willpower of Vegeta, I think they would at least have their hands full.
Sci-fi: Low-orbit ion cannon/obscenely huge and powerful wave motion cannons. The Death Star and other technological feats of similar size and power, pretty much. I don't think we've ever seen the absolute most powerful fighters in the entire Dragonball mythos truly cut loose and straight up destroy a planet, but it's hard to believe any of the Dragonball Z characters could vaporize a planet like the Death Star did.
Fantasy: Well, maybe there's some opposition to be had, as there are any number of characters in any fantasy story that are gods or god-like. The best example that leaps to my mind would be the gods in David Eddings Belgariad, particularly UL, the father of a whole world. Of course, their powers are based around simply having unimaginable will-power, and against the colossal pride and willpower of Vegeta, I think they would at least have their hands full.
eve online (although you will only get battles like that with high level "endgame" play)PUR3_GAM3R33 said:woah,that's cool,what game is that from?mb16 said:oh noes! they have swords....
PEW PEW PEW
"Your foe is well equipped, well-trained, battle-hardened. He believes his gods are on his side. Let him believe what he will. We have the tanks on ours."
Too freakin' contextual to say. Many authors go totally over the top when they write stuff, hence the billions of Warhammer 40k soldiers. 
Sci-fi has a planet busting bomb, you say? Fantasy has Milamber, a magician who destroyed a planet by causing it to collide with its own moon.
Sci-fi could kill everyone from orbit? Fantasy could kill everyone in orbit from the ground.
Sci-fi has bombs? Fantasy has dragons.
There's a point when technology becomes almost indistiguishable from magic, and we've reached it with the examples being provided in this poll. There are so many millions of variables and interpretations that providing a solid answer to this question would be impossible.
That said, I voted fantasy, because I like it more.
Sci-fi has a planet busting bomb, you say? Fantasy has Milamber, a magician who destroyed a planet by causing it to collide with its own moon.
Sci-fi could kill everyone from orbit? Fantasy could kill everyone in orbit from the ground.
Sci-fi has bombs? Fantasy has dragons.
There's a point when technology becomes almost indistiguishable from magic, and we've reached it with the examples being provided in this poll. There are so many millions of variables and interpretations that providing a solid answer to this question would be impossible.
That said, I voted fantasy, because I like it more.
It all depends on which side has the plot armor, which can stop everything form deus ex machina to orbital bombardment.
So now I'm stuck imagining the most epic of battles compromising my vast (but not conclusive) knowledge of these two themes.PUR3_GAM3R33 said:
There are many heroes and villains and it's all very important so I need to let it play out a bit before I give a sure and competent answer.
I feel more than a little ill...
A very well thought out post, which I can't really argue with because apart from the ground level stuff like orcs, zombies and Gandalf, I don't know all that much about fantasy. My question is, can these uber-powerful wizards and sorcerers still use their magic on targets that can attack from beyond a range that they can see (and come to think of it, they live in a time before space exploration, would they even think to attack the Death Star or the Reapers orbiting the planet, even if they were within range of a magic spell?)KingsGambit said:
I've always preferred Sci-Fi. Some fantasy i have read that is considered good relies too much on "Magic McGuffins" for their plot. Though i've read bad Sci-fi that relies on "Technological McGuffins". So i guess it does depend on the quality of writing, but i lean more toward Sci-Fi a lot of the time.