Poll: Security Guards V.S. 12-year old punk

[Shycte]

Sorry, the kid might have been harassing the guard, but the guard is an adult. There's no way he should used that much force on a kid. If the same thing happened to my child, regardless what happened prior, then I'd be going after the guard and his company with an army of lawyers.

Okay then. What should he have done?

 

[SextusMaximus]

I'm sorry but last time I checked, 12 year old's aren't adults and treating them like adults is fucking stupid and borders on actual abuse.

And what if the kid is violent?... Like in this case?...

He's 12. Think about that for a moment.

You're right, there's no way 12 year olds can be violent, they're all playing with their action men figures.

Also, if you're trolling - good job, sir, haha!

 

[M920CAIN]

The people who voted Yes on this are idiots... but idiots have a right to their opinion so I can respect that... I guess.

Are you that Bill O'Reilly guy?

You'll have to be more explicit than that... you must be that clown from the movie who eats kids right? go figure...

I sneak up behind and eat them right after my private army of guards have kicked their asses.

At least you're honest about it. That's the 1st step.

 

[2733]

so a 7 foot monster of a security guard beat a twelve year old who was pissing him off, he needs to lose his job. I don't know what the kid was doing before the video starts, but this is not how you handle it. The whipping out of the baton (I assume to force back onlookers) was just icing on the power trip cake.

 

[Zulnam]

It's shocking how many people say the guard was right. Am I missing something here? Are you all swedes and the guard was detaining him for illegal possession of cocaine? How the hell do you fellas know what happened? This could be a very simple scenario:

Kid's just standing there, all smug, maybe leaned on the window or something, with his friends. Guards come by. Tell him to stop leaning on the window. The kid tells them that there is no sign indicating that such an action is restricted and he will continue to lean. Guards tell him again. Kid refuses. Guards take out handcuffs and cuff him.


And even if he did go into the guard's face and said "FUCK YOU" he should be trained not to respond to a minor's taunting unless the minor becomes directly violent? What did the kid do? Kick him? SERIOUSLY?! He barely pushed him with his leg. That's like saying you have the right to invade an entire country because some asshole might at some point threaten your country at some point with shit he doesn't even have now.

 

[Shycte]

I see nothing wrong in the guards behaviour.

In the first half the guard has his arm under the kids arm (Probably because the kid resisted before the video started) halfway through the kid attempts to push the guard away with his leg so the guard lays him down, the friends try to swarm in so he draws his baton which defuses the entire situation making everyone step back.

From there its just a lot of sweedish yelling (Not really sure what they're saying) and at one point the video shows another person sitting on the ground with a guard nearby.

So what really happened OP? Any input?

Basic story is that the kids were doing some dangerous shit with the trains, they were sitting between the trailers or something. They weren't supposed to do that anyway, so the guards came, they resisted and well, you can see the rest.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

The kid had it coming. He'd obviously made an offence that required him to be put into handcuffs and then he tried to escape. The Security Guard enacted reasonable force to stop the kid escaping and everyone overreacts because he's a kid.

If you live in a country then you agree to abide by their laws. If you break these laws then you must accept the consequences.

 

[lacktheknack]

Parents really need to beat their kids more these days.

And no, I'm not talking about child abuse.

There's a difference between beating some sense into kids for being stupid, and just doing it for the hell of it. Some kids could really use some "tough" love.

You may as well differentiate between "spanking" and "beating", if only to avoid accidental strawman arguments.

Spanking: A balanced thunk on a sensitive but not easily damaged area (the butt, for instance) or light attack somewhere else (clip on the lip, etc).

Beating: Any heavy hit, or multiple hits on a sensitive area, etc.

 

[Zach of Fables]

When I worked with emotionally disturbed kids, they trained us that you only escalate the hold if they won't be talked down and if they continue to try and hurt you. In this case, since the child was kicking at the security guard's knee, he probably would have been justified in taking him to the ground and holding him there until he was calm. Of course it's a little hard to tell from the video what the two were saying, but it doesn't matter how old or small the kid is, if he is behaving in an unsafe manner the security guard should have done what was necessary.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I was going to reply and start doing the whole "back and forth" thing like I usually do when I want to start a discussion but then I realized I'd just be wasting my time since you people obviously don't want to hear what I have to say, you only want to hear what you have to say. So, in the interest of "common sense" and security guards defending themselves from drug addicted, knife wielding, twelve year old criminals, I bid you farewell.

 

[hooksashands]

Kind of pathetic that 3 burly men are required to subdue one mouthy pre-teen.

 

[Snipercam7]

Guard was in the right. I work behind a bar at football matches here, and according to the stats given in our safety brief, a third of knives and "offensive weapons" seized in the stadium were taken from people under 16. So all this "think of the children" shite is idiotic, they're just as capable of being a threat as anyone else, if not more because of the "showing off to friends" factor.

 

[Shycte]

It's shocking how many people say the guard was right. Am I missing something here? Are you all swedes and the guard was detaining him for illegal possession of cocaine? How the hell do you fellas know what happened? This could be a very simple scenario:

Kid's just standing there, all smug, maybe leaned on the window or something, with his friends. Guards come by. Tell him to stop leaning on the window. The kid tells them that there is no sign indicating that such an action is restricted and he will continue to lean. Guards tell him again. Kid refuses. Guards take out handcuffs and cuff him.


And even if he did go into the guard's face and said "FUCK YOU" he should be trained not to respond to a minor's taunting unless the minor becomes directly violent? What did the kid do? Kick him? SERIOUSLY?! He barely pushed him with his leg. That's like saying you have the right to invade an entire country because some asshole might at some point threaten your country at some point with shit he doesn't even have now.

I can tell you what they did, they were riding the train between the trailers or something like that. So the security guards came in and stopped them before Darwin came and ate them. The kids did not respond well to the guards trying to save their lifes and the rest is history.

The thing for me is that it isn't okay to kick a guard like that. Like seriously. Therefor, the guard put him on the ground so he would stop. The batoon was just to make the other people back off.

 

[Thistlehart]

If you actually believe violence is the proper tool for instilling certain values in children then congratulations, you're going to be an unfit parent.

Of course, you're right. How dare people try to show children what consequences are. We should just send them to their room and take away their Xbox, computer, smart phone, books, toys, etc. ad nauseam so they can lay on the bed and stew about how stupid and unfair we are. That'll drive the lesson home so much better than a little pain and public humiliation.

 

[Shycte]

I was going to reply and start doing the whole "back and forth" thing like I usually do when I want to start a discussion but then I realized I'd just be wasting my time since you people obviously don't want to hear what I have to say, you only want to hear what you have to say. So, in the interest of "common sense" and security guards defending themselves from drug addicted, knife wielding, twelve year old criminals, I bid you farewell.

Now I feel offended, I have never mentioned the words common sense. But obviously you want this attention since you made a post about you leaving the thread.

 

[MrTub]

I think he did the right since the kid was kicking him and also calling him a hoe and more.

 

[Dascylus]

Ok, the sounds bad and my swedish aint perfect so I can't pick up on all of the things said.
From the video let me try and present a possible chain of events...

Kid commits offence that guard deems unacceptable. Detains kid and for some reason feels the need to apply the cuffs. I can only guess it was cos the kid was resisting.

As it is a kid we are talking about the guard decides to wait for assistance so things don't get misinterpreted. The child is shouting at the guard and saying "Let me go, you're breaking my arm" he also says "Fuck you".

The kids friends start shouting at the guards whilst the kid resists (Here it is clear). As the guard is obviously much larger the guard stands his ground. Meanwhile his partner is holding the rest of the kids out of the situation so that nothing else occurs. It is clear that one individual (what appears to be an older kid) is nose to nose with the other guard.

The kid struggles more and starts kicking the guard, the guard responds my moving the kid in to a position where he can't kick. Namely by throwing him to the ground. The guard then pins the kid so that he cannot move.
The kids friends start moving closer. They are off camera but it is obviously a situation neither guard likes. They pull their sticks and the kids scatter. The sticks remain out until more guards arrive.

Passers by arrive and question what the kid has done. I can't hear the proper response but I heard the word "offentlig" which is the word for public but it could be smoking publicly, pissing publicly of defacing public property. More than the one word I couldn't hear.

More guards arrive and the kid is dragged off as he is still resisting. It is also shown that the older kid is sitting subdued with another guard.

My judgement... The guards reacted as they would with any other rowdy individual however as it is a 12 year old it appeared heavy handed but it is clear that that is what the kids were going for. The guards were in a difficult situation and did the best they could.

 

[Schoengeist]

So no one knows how the situation started and what the kid had done to get handcuffed? Haven't your parents taught you not to jump to blind conclusions?

 

[anthony87]

I was going to reply and start doing the whole "back and forth" thing like I usually do when I want to start a discussion but then I realized I'd just be wasting my time since you people obviously don't want to hear what I have to say, you only want to hear what you have to say. So, in the interest of "common sense" and security guards defending themselves from drug addicted, knife wielding, twelve year old criminals, I bid you farewell.

So using terms like "unfair parent" as well as saying that we lack common sense and whatnot is considered discussion?

To be honest I would like to hear what you have to say, hence my asking you a legitimate question earlier on in this thread which you have yet to(and I guess won't now)reply to. But if you just wanna hide behind some smug pretentiousness rather than admit that you can't find any reasoning behind your view other than "He's twelve", then go ahead.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

If you actually believe violence is the proper tool for instilling certain values in children then congratulations, you're going to be an unfit parent.

Of course, you're right. How dare people try to show children what consequences are. We should just send them to their room and take away their Xbox, computer, smart phone, books, toys, etc. ad nauseam so they can lay on the bed and stew about how stupid and unfair we are. That'll drive the lesson home so much better than a little pain and public humiliation.

exactly.

i remember to this day the exact moment i got publicly humiliated for the first time, and you bet your ass it sent a lightning bolt to my brain stem to not ever act like a entitled piece a shit in public like that again.