Poll: Sexual Assault

[Dizchu]

None of the options apply to me. However, I am able to chime in. (I'm not a big fan of trigger warnings but I will mention transphobia so be prepared)

As a trans-person that is only in "trans" mode part-time (meaning I don't live full-time as a woman), I have to say that there is a world of difference between going outside as a male and going outside as essentially a cross-dresser.

I used to get teased and harassed for having long hair ("Oi mate cut yer hair ye gaylord") though not as much now (probably because I'm 22 now and kids don't pick on adults as much, also I have a constant scowl when I'm outside that suggests that I will dropkick them into the pavement hahah).

But going outside with makeup on and a girly top... that's risk right there. I live in Wales and I would only ever go out in public in "girl mode" when I'm in the capital city, Cardiff. Anywhere else is a no-no. I am extremely scared of being harassed or even attacked. In Cardiff people are more accepting and I've even had compliments (which is great!) But in most places if I got "found out" the reaction wouldn't be as positive.

I hope that was a worthwhile contribution to the discussion.

 

[CrystalShadow]

[ and even 100% (see Kanin, 1985). All of these figures represent releases from some criminal justice agency or are estimates from clinical practitioners. The extraordinary range of these estimates makes a researcher suspect that inordinate biases are at work.

Underling done by me.

It is funny when you realize which Kanin he is referring to, hint it's himself.

No wonder that was left out of the reshaped study. But I'll keep reading it.

100% Wow. That's an amazing thing to imply about a subject... Basically says rape doesn't exist except as something 'victims' make up to get at someone else...

Just... Wow.

That just... Well, clearly what happened to me wasn't real then. Even though I technically never reported it...

Ahem... Some people are weird...

In all honesty, I have not finished the whole report. The author may have changed his mind from 1985-1994. And I may have somehow managed to quote him out of context, when taking the whole study into account. I encourage you to read it as well. I will probably post what I think of the whole study in this thread, unless it gets too complex. It might deserve a new thread if more people are willing to read it, and it is relevant enough.

Yeah, I know I probably picked on a minor detail with no context... I don't really know beyond that.

 

[thedailylunatic]

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Here's a link to the Kanin study. Kanin chose to study a particular mid-western town because the police force had an extremely stringent policy on the investigations of rapes.
http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

Thanks for the full report. I am still reading it. I guess I will have to change the wording from false study to reshaped study. And redirect my link to the one you brought me.

Like I said I am still reading it, but I like this part so far.

Widely divergent viewpoints are held regarding the incidence of false rape reporting (Katz and Mazur, 1979). For example, reports set the figure from lows of 0.25% (O'Reilly, 1984) and 1% (Krasner et aL, 1976) to highs of 80-90% (Bronson, 1918; Comment, 1968) and even 100% (see Kanin, 1985). All of these figures represent releases from some criminal justice agency or are estimates from clinical practitioners. The extraordinary range of these estimates makes a researcher suspect that inordinate biases are at work.

Underling done by me.

It is funny when you realize which Kanin he is referring to, hint it's himself.

No wonder that was left out of the reshaped study. But I'll keep reading it.

He's referring to an earlier survey he did of different rape statistics from different police stations, where some literally reported no true rapes and some reported literally no false rapes. In that study, he makes clear he believes those statistics are both bull****, which is why he did this one =P

 

[Fox12]

None of the options apply to me. However, I am able to chime in. (I'm not a big fan of trigger warnings but I will mention transphobia so be prepared)

As a trans-person that is only in "trans" mode part-time (meaning I don't live full-time as a woman), I have to say that there is a world of difference between going outside as a male and going outside as essentially a cross-dresser.

I used to get teased and harassed for having long hair ("Oi mate cut yer hair ye gaylord") though not as much now (probably because I'm 22 now and kids don't pick on adults as much, also I have a constant scowl when I'm outside that suggests that I will dropkick them into the pavement hahah).

But going outside with makeup on and a girly top... that's risk right there. I live in Wales and I would only ever go out in public in "girl mode" when I'm in the capital city, Cardiff. Anywhere else is a no-no. I am extremely scared of being harassed or even attacked. In Cardiff people are more accepting and I've even had compliments (which is great!) But in most places if I got "found out" the reaction wouldn't be as positive.

I hope that was a worthwhile contribution to the discussion.

I should have mentioned transgender as well, though I admit, it didn't occur to me at the time. I'll see if I can add it to the poll (though I admit it's a little late).

If you don't mind, I'm curious, do you find that men and women react differently toward your life choices? And would you find certain groups of people more accepting?

 

[Weaver]

I've never felt threatened. That said, it's not like I haven't had both women and men do what society would deem "inappropriate" things to me without consent (groping, unwanted grinding, touching, attempted make outs, etc) I just don't actually give a shit. These things don't make me feel threatened or bad about myself, and I don't feel my gender had anything to do with it.

 

[Itdoesthatsometimes]

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Here's a link to the Kanin study. Kanin chose to study a particular mid-western town because the police force had an extremely stringent policy on the investigations of rapes.
http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

Thanks for the full report. I am still reading it. I guess I will have to change the wording from false study to reshaped study. And redirect my link to the one you brought me.

Like I said I am still reading it, but I like this part so far.

Widely divergent viewpoints are held regarding the incidence of false rape reporting (Katz and Mazur, 1979). For example, reports set the figure from lows of 0.25% (O'Reilly, 1984) and 1% (Krasner et aL, 1976) to highs of 80-90% (Bronson, 1918; Comment, 1968) and even 100% (see Kanin, 1985). All of these figures represent releases from some criminal justice agency or are estimates from clinical practitioners. The extraordinary range of these estimates makes a researcher suspect that inordinate biases are at work.

Underling done by me.

It is funny when you realize which Kanin he is referring to, hint it's himself.

No wonder that was left out of the reshaped study. But I'll keep reading it.

He's referring to an earlier survey he did of different rape statistics from different police stations, where some literally reported no true rapes and some reported literally no false rapes. In that study, he makes clear he believes those statistics are both bull****, which is why he did this one =P

You would not happen to have a link to that survey would you?

I agree in full context of the study (alternatively the survey) he is referring to some police agencies finding no reported rapes false and others finding no reported rapes true.

I managed to quote him out of context much in the same way Craig Silverman did when he said:

"Any honest veteran sex assault investigator will tell you that rape is one of the most falsely reported crimes that there is. A command officer in the Denver Police sex assaults unit recently told me he placed the false rape numbers at approximately 45 percent.

Objective studies have confirmed this. See Purdue Professor Kanin's nine-year study published in 1994 concluding that over 40 percent of rape allegations were demonstrably false."

Which lead me to that study. The study is not meant to be extrapolated to other populations.

Anyhow, this stuff is derailing the thread. False rape allegations is a topic all it's own. If someone starts one I'll see you over there.

 

[Dizchu]

I should have mentioned transgender as well, though I admit, it didn't occur to me at the time. I'll see if I can add it to the poll (though I admit it's a little late).

Hey don't worry about it, you have enough input from users as it is. I think the issues transgender people face are distinct from the usual sexist harassment that most people can relate to (catcalling, whistling, homophobic insults directed at men whether they're gay or straight).

If you don't mind, I'm curious, do you find that men and women react differently toward your life choices? And would you find certain groups of people more accepting?

I find that the people I went to university with were very accepting. In general I think most people are either accepting or ambivalent. It's the one or two assholes that are confrontational that can absolutely ruin someone's day, no matter how nice the other 99% of people they encountered that day were.

 

[A_Parked_Car]

I'm a straight guy and I have never had any unwarranted (or warranted for that matter XD) sexual advances toward me. That being said, I have seen girls being cat-called and the like quite often. I personally find the practice disgusting and disrespectful. I have a very low opinion of guys who do such things. It is like they lack the mental capacity to keep control of their most basic primal instincts. Either that or they are narcissistic assholes who assume that they are God's gift to women and therefore girls better pay attention to them. I have never seen any physical harassment though, but I also don't go out to bars, clubs, parties or anything else like that very often.

 

[MassiveGeek]

I honestly don't have a clear answer on this, because I don't know if I felt that I was threatened specifically because of my gender, really.
Of course I've been nervous about walking around alone at night with a bunch of strangers around me, but I'd say that it's mostly due to the intense fear mongering that has been tossed at me throughout my life, and because I don't really like people. Like every wannabe badass I do imagine myself beating the living sh*t out of any f*cker who would actually dare to try and rob or assault me, but I'm rather tiny, about 164 cm and 48-50-ish kilos, so I probably couldn't punch all of their teeth out. Maybe just like ten or so, but I haven't been in a situation where I had to defend myself from either stranger or people I know, so maybe I would.

Getting back on topic, no, I wouldn't say I ever felt genuinely threatened or anything solely because of my gender, or really at all. I know people who've been through some shit, both male and female, and maybe I'm just lucky to've not experienced it.
But I honestly don't see the point to fear mongering the risks of having a certain set of genitals, there will always be lunatics out there who do insane, horrible acts, and there really isn't a lot we can do to prevent them from doing it. What we can do is focus on supporting anyone who's been/is being abused, regardless of their private parts, without being mocking or not taking them seriously. That's not to say that we shouldn't do our best to prevent assault to happen in the first place, but I don't think persecuting people who may or may not do horrid things should have the higher priority over helping the people who've already been through said horrid things, if that makes any sense.

 

[ArcadianDrew]

That said, it's up to you to judge me, there's a certain way myself and my friends interact, in that we're the classic abusive friends "Oi knob jockey, you getting the pints in you wanker?" "Sure thing shit for brains, you want another one of those you wank stain?" y'know that kind of thing, which also goes into how myself and some of my female friends interact: "Rellik, you're a fucking bastard at times." "Yeah but you love me really ***** tits," "that I do cunty chops," that kind of thing. So I'm curious, how do others judge those kinds of interaction in the context of a friendship, are they institutionalised harassment or just friends dicking about with each other?

Oh, don't worry about it, me and my friends are exactly the same way. Have been since early high-school. It got to the point where you knew one of your friends was pissed off with you because they wouldn't call you 'dickhead' or 'wanker' etc. when we greeted each other in the morning.

OT: Male here and have only once been inappropriately touched by someone. Was in a nightclub on the dance floor talking with friends when this woman (she was about my age) kept smacking me on the ass. I just found it really annoying to be honest, as in; 'just leave my personal space and go back to dancing with your friends' kinda thing. I just ignored her and eventually she got bored and left that part of the dance floor.