Despite my problems with the Wii but I voting no. Sure I hate not having good games on it or the spec is inferior (I can't offord another console) but there are people out there who does like it for what it is so that what matter the most.
Poll: Should Nintendo Stop Making Consoles?
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I like Nintendo because they take the risk to be the innovator.
Often it pays off for them, the only thing I really dislike is how strongly they cling to old titles instead of coming up with new first party IP. Also the third party situation with them isn't great either.
But if you look at it.
Playstation family controllers are essentially the D-Pad. The X360 controller is the GameCube controllers (ok, different button layout slightly (d-pad style). After discounting the wii initially, Sony and Microsoft have both made moves towards motion controls.
They've done an amazing job of coming up with new ways for people to play (not to say that it wouldn't have happened without them, the people who actually did the work would have had to work somewhere) but so far, they have definitely been the ones to take the risk of putting those innovations in their next products when it's unknown how the market would take it.
Often it pays off for them, the only thing I really dislike is how strongly they cling to old titles instead of coming up with new first party IP. Also the third party situation with them isn't great either.
But if you look at it.
Playstation family controllers are essentially the D-Pad. The X360 controller is the GameCube controllers (ok, different button layout slightly (d-pad style). After discounting the wii initially, Sony and Microsoft have both made moves towards motion controls.
They've done an amazing job of coming up with new ways for people to play (not to say that it wouldn't have happened without them, the people who actually did the work would have had to work somewhere) but so far, they have definitely been the ones to take the risk of putting those innovations in their next products when it's unknown how the market would take it.
I agree with the rest of your post, but I think Nintendo doesn't need to have a lot of new IPs every cycle. This is something that came up a lot when I bashed Modern Warfare 3 to my friends, who all claimed that Nintendo are the kings of rehash.Noctrine said:
Thing is, there's an average of one Mario main series title per console. (I'm taking a lot of liberties with that statement, but I think that Nintendo's "25th anniversary" posters are a fair judge of what they consider "main series." While there are usually two or more platformers with Mario per console, a lot are spin-offs like Wario Land, Yoshi's Island, or the like.) The only exceptions to this is the NES and the Wii, and everybody absolutely loved the sequels on those platforms to *death.*
More importantly, though, Nintendo are the kings of well-done spin-offs. Mario Kart, Pokémon Stadium, Paper Mario, Donkey Konga, Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, Luigi's Mansion, Kirby's Pinball Land, Four Swords, even Metroid Prime Hunters... It appears to me that all the time they save by not having to come up with an entirely new art and music style for every franchise is poured into liquid caramel with which they polish their gameplay. (Hunters' control scheme notwithstanding.)
And besides, you can't really argue that they don't already have a wealth of IP. I mean, Brawl has 33 of their best characters. Imagine if Microsoft did an SSB-style game. You'd barely have a roster the size of the original Smash Bros., and half would be seven-foot humanoids.
The game does require motion plus. It's very integrated into the play and it's hard to imagine how the game could work without the motion controls. For what it's worth, I think SS uses motion control in a much more fun way than TP did. The way the sword swings corresponding to the position of the Wiimote adds more strategy to sword fights than the waggling in TP.Al-Bundy-da-G said:
As for precise and immediate, the only problems I've had were due to me not being accustomed to motion plus. By the first dungeon, I was used to using the sword properly instead of just flailing and it's been smooth sailing since. I have seen people say they've had problems with the controls, but I haven't had a major issue yet.
To be entirely honest, coming from an avid zelda fan and one who has recently beaten Skyward Sword, it's nothing to be upset about. They pulled it out of their ass, and the story is terrible. The gameplay is rife with padding and all of the missions seem like ridiculous distractions and not actual objectives. It was mentally painful to play the story, I can't imagine how bad it would be if you were in physical pain also.targren said:
lmao,
no
Nintendo is, by and large the only company of the big 3 that dose anything different, which is why you notice it, be that good or bad.
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Nintendo is, by and large the only company of the big 3 that dose anything different, which is why you notice it, be that good or bad.
do speak for your self, i liked the Wii, i would still have it if i didn't need the money more, unlike my 'hardcore' gaming platform (a PS3) which i would have gotten rid of by now regardless of cash flow issuesWarlord211 said:
-.- that's your fault then, cause i know i managed to find some pretty good non sports/party games. but I'm used to having to hunt down what i want to play.
Yes and no. They should stick to handhelds in my opinion. I play my 3DS pretty much every night before bed, but my PSP is just gathering dust.
I think Nintendo are the only ones who actually care about making games, and the gaming industry in general. Obviously, they also do it for the money. But I think they care a hell of a lot more than most other game/console makers. That's why they never bend over backwards to target the most popular thing at any given time. They do their own thing. That's ultimately what we need.
turned the gaming world on its head?Ashura said:
nope..I dont think it did, the way I see it we all took one look at the motion controles, said "ehhhh....whatever" and went back to our xbox's PS3's and PC's
granted the Wii/Nintendo did make some kind of contribution
but I really cant see the "inovation" side of things when all they have done is put out more of their core franchises (and totally fucking up one of them)
I think after the WiiU is released I think we will have a pretty good idea if Nintendo can still put out consoles or not. Personally, the Wii turned me off since I saw nothing that made me want to get it, and that's the first piece of hardware that they put out that I refused to buy.
They make some pretty solid handhelds, even though the 3DS had a very rocky start to (to say the least), and I think they are fine in that regard.
They make some pretty solid handhelds, even though the 3DS had a very rocky start to (to say the least), and I think they are fine in that regard.
I liked the Wii and if the Wii U is an improvement, great. Even if its not I don't think they should stop making new consoles. Innovation and progress are good. I just wish they would stop making them so frequently then having large numbers of games that I want exclusively for those consoles.
I could care less either way if Nintendo decided to stop making consoles. I don't hate them or think they should kick the console bucket, but at the same time I don't think much would be lost if they stoped making consoles. Maybe I just feel this way because I've never really been seduced by their games or consoles. Sure they've released stuff that I've enjoyed, but never stuff that I would call game-changing or amazing. I certainly would never include a Nintendo game on my top 10 or top 50 list, plus none really have influenced me in ways that non-Nintendo games have. I've never owned a Nintendo home console, and frankly if it weren't for a few sole titles not even made by Nintendo I'd just give up on my DS (with the exception of ONE game I see no purpose for me to get a 3DS ever). But maybe that's why I don't care if they stop making consoles and just make games, because while I hold no malice, they've yet to capture my interest, making no difference to me in what dirrection they go in. It's all just noise to me.
Also, I`m not convinced that Nintendo stepping out of the ring of console development will have as drastic an effect as everyone else here says. True, it would probably cause a shock to developers, manufacturers, and consumers alike, but I`m not sure this would be long-lasting. Further, seeing as Nintendo has greater gaps in their spurts of "innovation" (not really innovative, but certainly something that most probably don`t think about), yet the industry seems to continue fine during these gaps, I`m not convinced that Nintendo stepping out would also stagnate the industry somehow.
Also, I`m not convinced that Nintendo stepping out of the ring of console development will have as drastic an effect as everyone else here says. True, it would probably cause a shock to developers, manufacturers, and consumers alike, but I`m not sure this would be long-lasting. Further, seeing as Nintendo has greater gaps in their spurts of "innovation" (not really innovative, but certainly something that most probably don`t think about), yet the industry seems to continue fine during these gaps, I`m not convinced that Nintendo stepping out would also stagnate the industry somehow.
my point is mario and zelda are good and all..you know if thats what you likeF4LL3N said:
they arnt what the industry "needs" to combat the "brown FPS shooty multiplayer" over saturation we have
we need less COD
and more:
Portal 2
Dark souls
Deus Ex HR
Skyrim
and others....
Well, I think Zelda deserves to be on that list too. But that's subjective...Vault101 said:
I'd love an open world RPG/JRPG done by Nintendo in the same league as Skyrim. I'd also love an open world/MMO 3D Pokemon.
I'm not denying they stick too much with their core title. But then again, their main target audience isn't Western gamers, nor is their style.
Seeing as how the industry could be extremely stagnant if just Nintendo sat on their hands, no.
Nintendo at least tries to be creative. Sony and Microsoft just followed the whole motion control thing after it was tested by Nintendo and looked lucrative. Granted, Microsoft did take the idea a bit further.
Even when Nintendo "rehashes" something, they add something new. Look at Skyward Sword and just try to say it's just another Zelda and has no originality. Look at Super Mario Galaxy and say there's no innovation.
Plus taking Nintendo out of the console race would make people like Shigeru Miyamoto have less influence. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want that.
Sure, Sony and Microsoft are "hardcore." Does it matter? In that usage it's a label to distinguish yourself from "lesser" gamers who don't have your exquisite taste.
Personally, I would call myself a hardcore gamer, and that is only because of my dedication to gaming. Hardcore gamers truly love gaming. There is no other requirement.
Nintendo at least tries to be creative. Sony and Microsoft just followed the whole motion control thing after it was tested by Nintendo and looked lucrative. Granted, Microsoft did take the idea a bit further.
Even when Nintendo "rehashes" something, they add something new. Look at Skyward Sword and just try to say it's just another Zelda and has no originality. Look at Super Mario Galaxy and say there's no innovation.
Plus taking Nintendo out of the console race would make people like Shigeru Miyamoto have less influence. I don't think anyone in their right mind would want that.
Sure, Sony and Microsoft are "hardcore." Does it matter? In that usage it's a label to distinguish yourself from "lesser" gamers who don't have your exquisite taste.
Personally, I would call myself a hardcore gamer, and that is only because of my dedication to gaming. Hardcore gamers truly love gaming. There is no other requirement.