Poll: Should parents have to pay back their kids

[Flare Phoenix]

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It's kinda funny that "Harmless unethical act" turns into "Child abuse" and "Mutually agreed payment plan between parent and child" turns into "Child labour"

The charm of the internet.

Well I would argue that stealing from a child isn't harmless. Even though there are no immediate effects, it is, at the very least, teaching the child they can simply take whatever they want. You could also agrue the psyological effects it would have, but I'm not the person to talk about that.

Again... something like board is acceptable as long as it's agreed upon by both parties. However, what is happening here is the mother is taking money whenever she feels like without asking or having any intent of giving it back...

 

[TheEnglishman]

If it's money you earnt of your own effort, i.e you mowed lawn, they gave you money for this service, that's basically a business transaction, money in exchange for services.

If your Mum is taking your money without permission and without returning it, than her House Rules don't apply as she's broken THE ACTUAL LAW, and they kind of trump what your Mum says.

 

[bakan]

It depends. If they can, maybe they should. But it is their house and you're just borrowing their food, sooo... Hmmmm. Tricky one.

It isn't so tricky as its a parents responsibility to provide everything a child needs, otherwise they shouldn't have children if they have a problem with this

But the kid doesn't need the $20 the parent borrowed. It's nowhere near necessary for survival. So... I don't really understand your point.

The point is, even though a child is living 'under their parents roof' they aren't in debt to their parents and the parents aren't entitled to do what they want to do, in this case a mother just taking her childs money without asking or without any intention of paying it back.

 

[Flare Phoenix]

It depends. If they can, maybe they should. But it is their house and you're just borrowing their food, sooo... Hmmmm. Tricky one.

It isn't so tricky as its a parents responsibility to provide everything a child needs, otherwise they shouldn't have children if they have a problem with this

But the kid doesn't need the $20 the parent borrowed. It's nowhere near necessary for survival. So... I don't really understand your point.

Alright, give me your gaming consoles, your computers, any televisions you own, DVDs, Video Games... none of those are "necessary" for your survival.

 

[Cherry Cola]

I did read their post; I just disagreed with it. In my opinion, stealing from someone is just as wrong as physically, sexually or emotionally abusing them (but that's not the discussion here).

You didn't just disagree with it. You attributed your moral values to my arguments and based your counter-argument on that, so in a sense all you did was respond with a Strawman argument.

 

[Codot Hawke]

I never really went after my parents for money they owe me, but the least they can do is ask. I always spotted my Mum or Dad a 20 or more when they needed it, but they always AT LEAST had the decency to ask me first.

That really is stealing -- Just because they raised you doesn't mean they have full reign over your finances. It's all about respect, and I'm not seeing much from your Mum here.

 

[King Toasty]

It depends. If they can, maybe they should. But it is their house and you're just borrowing their food, sooo... Hmmmm. Tricky one.

It isn't so tricky as its a parents responsibility to provide everything a child needs, otherwise they shouldn't have children if they have a problem with this

But the kid doesn't need the $20 the parent borrowed. It's nowhere near necessary for survival. So... I don't really understand your point.

The point is, even though a child is living 'under their parents roof' they aren't in debt to their parents and the parents aren't entitled to do what they want to do, in this case a mother just taking her childs money without asking or without any intention of paying it back.

Not completely in debt, but it'd be a dick move to always expect all the money back. Be nicer to your parents than to other people.

Alright, give me your gaming consoles, your computers, any televisions you own, DVDs, Video Games... none of those are "necessary" for your survival.

That's not what I meant, and you goddamn know it. I meant it's not the parent's responsibility to pay back the kid,and I said that because it seemed like the point Bakan was making.

 

[Cherry Cola]

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It's kinda funny that "Harmless unethical act" turns into "Child abuse" and "Mutually agreed payment plan between parent and child" turns into "Child labour"

The charm of the internet.

Well I would argue that stealing from a child isn't harmless. Even though there are no immediate effects, it is, at the very least, teaching the child they can simply take whatever they want. You could also agrue the psyological effects it would have, but I'm not the person to talk about that.

I was pointing out the absurdity of you comparing stealing to child abuse and then trying to claim that my argument supported both, not saying stealing was harmless. But you clearly didn't get that.

 

[Xanadu84]

If they willingly give you money, or you earn it on your own, it is yours. Parents have every right to expect you to do chores, clean up after yourself, and generally pull your own weight, but that money is yours to do with as you wish. If you lend it, your parents should pay you back. Being lenient on when is the polite thing to do, but just taking from you is stealing. Legality aside, it is morally wrong.

 

[TehCookie]

If it's just a few dollars here and there I have no problem if they don't pay me back, they've done a lot for me. If it's a larger amount (like $100) then I do expect them to pay me back in full.

 

[TripleDaddy]

If your parents are borrowing cash from you, that's a parenting fail. If they aren't paying you back, it's an epic fail.

 

[shadowmagus]

I feel you OP. My mom currently owes me a running tally of roughly 1000-1500 dollars, somewhere in that ballpark. I keep reminding her, and if she was literally anyone else including my father I'd be pissed but...ya know...it's mom, and it's not like she's using it for little shit. They own their own small business but are losing big because of the economy and shitty business taxes right now. So yeah...kind of torn too.

 

[Eggsnham]

There are a lot of things to consider with something like that.

But generally, yes parents should have to pay back their kids for money they've borrowed.

If one of my parents asks me for some money with the intent to pay me back, then I should be payed back. But if they ask me for money more as a gift, then it's safe to assume that they need it more than I do.

 

[Estarc]

Yes.

Not much has to be said, but in the interests of not getting a warning, yes, your parents have to pay you back. Just like, once you have your own source of income, I'd expect kids to pay their parents back if they borrow money.

The qualifier here is when, say, someone asks if they can HAVE some money, and you give it to them, then later try to say they have to pay you back. There is a difference between giving and lending.

 

[Eggsnham]

If your parents are borrowing cash from you, that's a parenting fail. If they aren't paying you back, it's an epic fail.

Not necessarily.

There have been a few times over the years where something out of our control has forced my mom and I into the economic shitter. Whenever this has happened, my mom had to look for any way she could to keep our lives somewhat comfortable, sometimes this included borrowing a couple twenties from me. Sometimes she couldn't even pay it back.

 

[BodomBeachChild]

No where did I say "we own them." I said "they provided us a lot." in different words. That means they shelled out a lot of money for us during our lives so the least we can do is help them out. Ya deaf?

 

[Ris]

How is your mum able to take money from you without your knowledge? I know it's your mum and everything, but she's pretty much stealing from you. Hide your wallet.

Even if it's risking punishment, I'd definitely confront her about this and tell her that you don't think it's fair. Mention that your dad asks to borrow money and pays it back, and ask her why she can't do the same.

 

[Sentox6]

The point is, even though a child is living 'under their parents roof' they aren't in debt to their parents and the parents aren't entitled to do what they want to do, in this case a mother just taking her childs money without asking or without any intention of paying it back.

And here's where I disagree. If your parents have done more than keep you alive at a reasonable living standard, then you are really in debt to them. Normally (ideally?) this is balanced by the fact that your parents love you, and want to be generous, but the fact remains.

Calling it child labour is patently ridiculous, too. I'm not going to say anything more on that topic.

You know who else takes money without asking, and with no intention of paying it back, on the basis that they 'provide' for you? The government. For your entire adult life, no less.

 

[Pinkamena]

I am grateful for all that my parents have given me, and that I am who I am today. But still, if my parents took my money, I'd be pretty angry. You should always pay back borrowed money, no matter who's borrowing from who.

 

[bakan]

The point is, even though a child is living 'under their parents roof' they aren't in debt to their parents and the parents aren't entitled to do what they want to do, in this case a mother just taking her childs money without asking or without any intention of paying it back.

And here's where I disagree. If your parents have done more than keep you alive at a reasonable living standard, then you are really in debt to them. Normally (ideally?) this is balanced by the fact that your parents love you, and want to be generous, but the fact remains.

Calling it child labour is patently ridiculous, too. I'm not going to say anything more on that topic.

You know who else takes money without asking, and with no intention of paying it back, on the basis that they 'provide' for you? The government. For your entire adult life, no less.

Well, even though I'm in disagreement with some decisions my government does, the government provides me with healthcare, a good education etc - so I've got no problem with taxes

But saying that you are in debt to your parents the moment you are born, so they can do what they want to do with your property is just retarded

edit: 100th post, 'yay'