Poll: Skyrim; Empire or. Rebels?

[Skillswords]

I prefer Empire because staying with them gives the nords a more secure economy and a strong law system and military stability. all of which are necessary in the world where the metaphoric shit has indeed struck the dragon scale fan.
so, yeah FOR THE EMPIIIIIIIIRRRRREEEEEE

 

[Burntpopcarn]

FOR FREEDOM!!! CRUSH THE FASCISTS!!! DEATH TO THE EMPIRE!!!!!

 

[Saviordd1]

Isn't the fact that they are an empire evil enough?

Tiber Septim (the guy who founded the third empire) just went around conquering every country in Tamriel (the continent the games are set in) with his unstoppable brass golem thing (Numidi... something). Those countries didn't willingly join the empire, and many of them wanted nothing to do with it. How would you feel if some other country decided yours had to obey their laws and pay your taxes to support their country?

who says that all the regions in skyrim, whom youre fighting for independence, wanted to be a part of skyrim? or as a matter of fact, even want to be independent. im not even gonna mention how fucking racist the stormcloaks are....not to mention skyrim WILL fall into poverty, and the quality of life will lower a lot. say what you will about the roman empire, but they pretty much made everyones life under their regime a lot better.

You're right, not all of Skyrim wants to be independent. Approximately half of it supports the Stormcloaks and half supports the Empire. Neither side can coexist peacefully with the other, so it all comes down to what you think is "best".

Also you're right about how the Empire did a lot of good for Skyrim, but the Empire is dead, as far as I'm concerned. The Ald'meri Dominion stormed all the way up to the Imperial City and the Empire realised how screwed they really were, so they sold their very god for survival. The Ald'meri own the Empire now, and the only reason they allowed it to continue existing is because it was more convenient for them this way. If they simply invaded Skyrim every man, woman and child would be united against them, but now that they're working through the Empire they can do whatever the hell they like, even openly torture and kill any who worship Talos.

The Ald'meri wish to enslave or destroy all of the "lesser" races (i.e. anyone who is not an Elf), so I'm fairly certain they're more racist than the Stormcloaks, and they are definitely my enemies. Since the Empire is working for them, they are my enemies too. My character is an Argonian, so I have big issues with many of the Stormcloaks (Ulfric himself doesn't seem so bad, but I have heard worrying rumours...). Nonetheless I'd still rather have them in charge than the Ald'meri or their puppets, and that's what the choice comes down to.

Except that Tullius openly tells you that he doesn't think the peace treaty will hold much longer.

The empire needed time to regroup, the White Gold concordant gave them that. The best chance to defeat the dominion is for everyone to stand together, not get all pissy because sacrifices had to be made in order for continued survival.

And to be fair, yes, the elves got up to the imperial city, then the imperial army quickly re-took the imperial city killing the invading army. So its not like it was a total loss. Yes, the imperials did, altogether, lose the war. But I think round 2 will favor the empire more.

 

[Outcast107]

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I just want to know how the Empire is going to come back since they really shot themselves in the foot. Gave up Hammerfell, gave up the blades, gave up mages guide. So really...I hardly see the Empire coming back since they already gave up so much for this treaty. If they got own badly the first time when they had all this help, how in the HELL are they going to win since they gave up all their strong points?

Makes no sense to me.

 

[Saviordd1]

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I just want to know how the Empire is going to come back since they really shot themselves in the foot. Gave up Hammerfell, gave up the blades, gave up mages guide. So really...I hardly see the Empire coming back since they already gave up so much for this treaty. If they got own badly the first time when they had all this help, how in the HELL are they going to win since they gave up all their strong points?

Makes no sense to me.

Well for one Hammerfell did drive out the dominion eventually.

For two they didn't "Give up" the Blades, the blades were driven into extinction by thalmor agents, with a lack of Blades mede simply replaced them with the peniculus oculous. And the mages guild died from internet struggles before the dominion really ever game to be.

Seriously, do you pay any attention to the story?

Also, they can come back if they stop being stubborn and ask black marsh as well as hammerfell for help. Plus Elswyer doesn't really want to be part of the dominion ANYWAY.

 

[Outcast107]

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I just want to know how the Empire is going to come back since they really shot themselves in the foot. Gave up Hammerfell, gave up the blades, gave up mages guide. So really...I hardly see the Empire coming back since they already gave up so much for this treaty. If they got own badly the first time when they had all this help, how in the HELL are they going to win since they gave up all their strong points?

Makes no sense to me.

Well for one Hammerfell did drive out the dominion eventually.

For two they didn't "Give up" the Blades, the blades were driven into extinction by thalmor agents, with a lack of Blades mede simply replaced them with the peniculus oculous. And the mages guild died from internet struggles before the dominion really ever game to be.

Seriously, do you pay any attention to the story?

Also, they can come back if they stop being stubborn and ask black marsh as well as hammerfell for help. Plus Elswyer doesn't really want to be part of the dominion ANYWAY.

Actually they did Give them up. They disbanded the blades due to the treaty. Which then they let them get hunted down. Did YOU pay attention to the story?

 

[Saviordd1]

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I just want to know how the Empire is going to come back since they really shot themselves in the foot. Gave up Hammerfell, gave up the blades, gave up mages guide. So really...I hardly see the Empire coming back since they already gave up so much for this treaty. If they got own badly the first time when they had all this help, how in the HELL are they going to win since they gave up all their strong points?

Makes no sense to me.

Well for one Hammerfell did drive out the dominion eventually.

For two they didn't "Give up" the Blades, the blades were driven into extinction by thalmor agents, with a lack of Blades mede simply replaced them with the peniculus oculous. And the mages guild died from internet struggles before the dominion really ever game to be.

Seriously, do you pay any attention to the story?

Also, they can come back if they stop being stubborn and ask black marsh as well as hammerfell for help. Plus Elswyer doesn't really want to be part of the dominion ANYWAY.

Actually they did Give them up. They disbanded the blades due to the treaty. Which then they let them get hunted down. Did YOU pay attention to the story?

Yeah and? They gave them up, then they kicked out the dominion, do you really think the redguards would let the adlmeri win in another war? Especially considering how much they hate them now?

The blades we're dead, period, the notes you find on thalmor agents make it clear that the elves pretty much wiped all the blades out, "disbanding" them was just a formality. Like a burial, their already dead, your just tying things up. But the empire never actively hunts the blades, the thalmor do, they also hunt down certain dragonborn.

And to top it all off, the adlmeri didn't win because of overwhelming numbers or anything, they just got the drop on the empire. But in the end one of their two main armies was utterly demolished in the battle of the red ring. Leaving the thalmor and the empire more or less on equal ground. Plus like i said if black marsh were to get themselves involved on the empires side it would pretty much be a curbstomp battle. And if the cats could stop their minor hero worship they to would help the empire.

 

[Zeckt]

I have nothing against the Empire, I give them props for trying. But they need to get the hell off of my lawn!!

 

[danirax]

the one that believes less in Talos....

 

[WolfThomas]

Empire, they're a shadow of their former glory but at least they not lead by a racist

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Thalmor agent albeit dormant/rogue.

I'm playing as an argonian so I don't really have an aliegence either way.
Empire:
+Black Marsh is apart of the Empire
-Those dick elves enslaved my race

Rebels:
+Black March could be inspired to succeed
-Why? I have no real invested interest.

Two points, the Black Marsh has actually seceded and subsequently invaded a devestated Morrowind. Which leds me to the second point. Elves not Imperials keep slaves. Sure the Empire ruled Black Marsh but pretty fairly. Elves from Dunmer to Altmer have used Argonians (and Khajits) as slaves.

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

The Empire is already gone. Morrowind's desolated. Black Marsh seceded. Valenwood and Elsweyr are part of the Dominion along with Summerset Isle. Hammerfell seceded and threw out the Thalmor.

All that's -left- of the Empire is Cyrodiil, Skyrim, and High Rock. Skyrim is revolting due to, y'know, having their Christ figure banned, having their sons sent to die fighting the Thalmor only for the Empire to kowtow, having the Empire allow Thalmor agents to run around Skyrim kidnapping Nords and do whatever to them.

It's not the Empire's fault that this is happening. No. You know who's fault it is? Yours.

Or more precisely, it's the Nerevarine's fault. If he hadn't destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan and in so doing stripped the powers from the Tribunal (Also leading to Almalexia's madness and her murder of Sotha Sil), Morrowind would have remained intact and most likely joined to the Empire. As a result, with the combined strength of the Tribunal, the Oblivion Crisis would have been significantly less severe in Morrowind, allowing the Empire to remain strong and prosperous. The Ministry of Truth never crashes, Red Mountain never erupts, and the Thalmor are thrown back.

End result: The Thalmor remain in control of Valenwood and Summerset Isle, but the Empire retains control of the rest of Tamriel.

Of course, with the Heart of Lorkhan intact, Dagoth Ur is able to infect the world with Corprus...

Alternatively!

It's your fault. Know why? You let Martin Septim die. A Septim would never have let the Thalmor grow this strong.

But anyway, you can hardly blame the Nords for wanting to be free of a crumbling, failing Empire that's going to drag them down to the grave with them if they don't cut themselves free. The Empire couldn't defeat the Thalmor when they had Hammerfell, how are they supposed to defeat the Thalmor without it?

 

[uzo]

My first playthrough of any Elder Scrolls is generally as the local populace. I think it's due to TES:Redguard, playing as Cyrus. That, plus the saturation of Australian education about 'connection to the land' and whatnot. I want to feel connected to the kingdom I'm in, not a roaming stranger.

In Oblivion, I was an Imperial. In Morrowind, a Dunmer. In Skyrim, Nord. Now, what kind of turncoat scum of a Nord would support the Aldmeri and their Imperial lackeys?!

FREEEEEEDOOOOM!!! it is.

EDIT: And everyone knows the Altmer view themselves as the Master Race. Time to rip those pointy eared bastards down a notch or two.

EDIT EDIT: Although in reality, as myself, I'd likely support the Empire. Better the devil you know. As long as I get to kill elves, I'm happy.

 

[Exterminas]

It's not the Empire's fault that this is happening. No. You know who's fault it is? Yours.

Or more precisely, it's the Nerevarine's fault. If he hadn't destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan and in so doing stripped the powers from the Tribunal (Also leading to Almalexia's madness and her murder of Sotha Sil), Morrowind would have remained intact and most likely joined to the Empire. As a result, with the combined strength of the Tribunal, the Oblivion Crisis would have been significantly less severe in Morrowind, allowing the Empire to remain strong and prosperous. The Ministry of Truth never crashes, Red Mountain never erupts, and the Thalmor are thrown back.

Except there is no proof that Almalexia's madness stems from the destruction of the heart.
In fact you even could complete the Tribunal Mainquest without ever being declared Nerevarine in the Vanilla-Main-Quest.

Granted, you could assume this to be a non-canon feature to make the addon accesible, but then again what is your proof for the cause of Almalexia's madness?

Since you can not proof the connection to the heart it is more likely that she went nuts from being unfit for the power she had gained, and thus would not have been a good ally during the Oblivion Crisis. (She probably would have killed Vivec off).

Personally I support the Empire. Simply because they are at the edge right now, driven there by what was basically an opportunistc rebellion by the Aldmeri. So I will not support another vulture in it's attempt to pick at the Empire.

 

[PrinceOfShapeir]

Because everything in Tribunal suggests Almalexia was going nuts due to losing her Godhood.

 

[Starkiller101]

Lets see the great war empire gets smashed white-gold concordat and all that if the mighty empire cant be the elves do you think a bit of nord rabble could?

 

[Starkiller101]

Well, considering I

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killed their emperor

I think I'll go with the rebels. Plus Ulfric is a badass.

At first i thought Ulfric was a shifty power-hungry hound using the banning of talos for power but after

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the main quest season unending when he goes mad when he sees the Thalmor Elenwen.

he seems to be a true man

 

[wintercoat]

Neither. They're both run by dicks who're playing King of the Mountain with a country. I say kill the lot of 'em so the rest of the country can get on with their lives.