Poll: So, Bin Laden, you give a shit?

[Kathinka]

well, considered that he was less of a threat for world piece then any u.s.-president, i don't really care. those guys should be brought to an international tribunal and hung up high.

how would you accomplish that without war? People make these statments and it makes me happy and allows people to know that you can be both anti america and stupid.

unfortunately it can not be accomplished. and i said nowhere that it ever would. it would just be desirable and in the best interest of the world. i suggest you invest more time reading correctly before further insults and (failed) attempts of wit.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Look it's a fairly simple question, he's dead now, so do you think it changes anything? If it does, why? and if not, why?
Also, do you think it actually changes anything for the families of the people who died in 9/11?
So please give your insight on this situation.

I dont care that he's dead but now he's a martyr, more trrrists will be signing up for the cause.

You don't really know how Muslim Fundamentalism works now do you?

He was killed in a firefight, he didn't surrender his body to the cause of spreading Islam, he isn't getting his 72 virgins and etc.

He will not be a martyr. I don't know why you would think that.

OT: Yea I care. A lot of families have closure now. The head of a terrorist organization is dead. This isn't solely a US victory, this is a world victory. But that being said his death should not be celebrated.

 

[trooperpaul]

Post removed to avoid a flame war.
Not actually a mod.

 

[nima55]

As a Canadian, I'm happy that we finally got him, But I'm not as overcome with joy as I assume some Americans might be.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Just like Hitler wasn't actually responsible for the holocaust because he just organized it. By your logic no leader is actually accountable for anything.

Actually Hitler was directly responsible for part of the Holocaust. His signature is on the document that ordered the rounding up and murdering of the mentally handicapped, but after political backlash he had his underlings sign all the rest of the papers. But he was basically holding their hands as they gripped the pens that signed the death notices.

He didn't even really commit 9/11, he just organized it. I believe the 19 people responsible died almost 10 years ago. Credit where credit is due, people.

Are you saying we should give credit to the terrorists that crashed the planes into the WTC? Wow.

Also, you don't have to pull the trigger to be directly responsible.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

Hooray! It only took us 10 years to find a diabetic architect in a mansion!
People say he was the architect behind 9/11, but the only thing he was an architect of was a couple of apartments in Baghdad. The US launched a ten-year manhunt for this guy in the first place because he said "Sucks to be You".

Are you serious?

You know that this isn't just a US victory right?

And he was the head of a major terrorist organization.

Man people are so US-centric.

 

[Fidelias]

It's not going to change anything, but I'm still happy the son of a ***** is dead.

 

[Rottweiler]

So here we are...a Forum where the death of a world-wide terrorism Icon is 'meh' but your favorite Game Server goes down for more than two days and it's time to panic and sue.

Where every mistake made by a certain country...which shall remain nameless (USA)...is pointed out, but the failings, human rights violations, and outright abominations which happen every day in other countries is swept under the rug and ignored. Where all of terrorism is blamed on a *pretty recent* invasion (of course, the Taliban and Al Qaeda never existed before the invasion of Iraq, right) and privileged, never lived in a country where human rights don't exist posters complain but do nothing to actually *help*.

Apparently, no one reads history, or they use the 'but winners write history so I will only accept the history which supports my preconceived notions' excuse, and fails to see certain things:

Terrorism is guerrilla warfare. It is hide-in-the-dark, use children to carry bombs, make cheap propaganda claims while torturing our own people because the media is our collective ***** guerrilla warfare.

It is also based on tribal culture and personal charisma. Warlords and guerrilla leaders count on reputation and charisma to lead and recruit. Osama Bin Laden has been very much a hero and icon for terrorists everywhere, and every day he survived he helped the terrorist's cause. Now that he's dead, a major figure of awe and admiration is gone (not to mention he wasn't bad at planning attacks, either) and that is a good thing.

 

[Risingblade]

Was that moral boost worth the 14,000 to 34,00 (depending on report) civilian deaths? That is, death, end of life, nothing, nada. Was that boost worth the 7,000 + US soldiers who died?

I'm not saying it's all been for nothing, but it's a hollow victory at best. If you think a brief economic surge is going to make up for that, you're mistaken. He's dead, and it all still happened. End.

Yes

 

[easternflame]

I give a shit in a very specific way. While everyone on facebook and in the streets seems to be running around being happy, I'm just waiting for another major bombing.

I say this because Osama was a ranking leader of a cell-based organization (or so I've been told, anyway). From what I remember, each cell acts independently unless calling upon a partnership with other cells in order to pursue a common mission. Thus, it is entirely impossible to wipe out the leadership of the "terrorist" movement unless one were to exterminate every last cell down to its junior members and sympathizers.

Osama may be dead but I fear his death will bring about acts of vengeance and rates of violence against Americans and American interests will grow. Perhaps this growth will be brief or prolonged, who's to say. Either way, I'm not jubilant; I'm wary.

Oh wow. This. This to a "T". While I was shocked to hear the news last night, I was also somewhat glad to hear he's gone. However, the more I thought on it, like you, the more I convinced myself that there will likely be some form of retaliation. Apparently the US military had the exact same thought as they've since drastically increased security at bases home and abroad.

On a related note, was it just me or did anyone else find it somewhat disturbing to see so many people literally cheering and openly celebrating the death of another human being? Sure the guy was one of the lead masterminds behind a bevy of terrorist attacks (not just the 9/11 attacks) that resulted in the deaths of thousands and thousands of civilians, but he was still a human being. I'm not bothered that he's gone, by any stretch of the imagination, but to celebrate someone's death just seems to me to be just as dismissive of human life as the ones who are committing these terrorist acts. Not that I'm saying we should mourn his passing, but to be "happy" and "jubilant" about it? That just seems wrong to me.

Let me add here a side note, I never implied that the terrorist dying was a happy thing if you clicked yes, I said if you cared about the fact that he died and that if that meant redemption of some sort to you. I don't agree either that people celebrate his death like the fucking birth of christ.

 

[smallthemouse]

Well i personally think that the man, Osama being dead is not important. What is is that the character that the American government fabricated is dead. They used him as a scapegoat and now they don't need him anymore, the man Osama (if he ever existed) is probably living in a quiet suburb somewhere in the USA.

Exactly. Actually, none of anything is real, I'm just waiting for Neo to pull me out of the matrix.

Edit: also 9/11 was an inside job, Obama was really born in Kenya, and the government has chips in our brains.

 

[DudeistBelieve]

I'm actually quite happy I'm going to live to see more days but this bastard isn't.

 

[SovietSecrets]

I just want to see a picture or video. Something to prove to me he is dead.

 

[Tdc2182]

If we would have gotten him a short time after the war started, I would have been relieved.

But I'm already sick of it. People are acting like it's a legitimately big deal. When was the last time any of us said "Osama Bin Laden"?

Also, it is sketchy as fuck on how they dumped him in the ocean. I'm still not convinced that's true.

 

[BrownGaijin]

Yes. My reasons are my own. Next question.

 

[Troublesome Lagomorph]

Also, it is sketchy as fuck on how they dumped him in the ocean. I'm still not convinced that's true.

I'd also say the timing and how it apparently took them a whole week to report this add to the sketchiness of it all.
OT: Yes. Who's to say the next one isn't worse and manages to get another hit on America or some other country that supports it?

 

[Burck]

Okay so we got him. That will do some damage to Al-Qaeda, but how much more fighting are we gonna do?

Who's our next target gonna be?

It just feels like we're nowhere near done.
I think people are getting overexcited about this.

 

[FalloutJack]

I kind of already shot the breeze about the unimportants of bin Laden already, so here are the cliffnotes...

We wasted time and energy, and a buttload of resources, because we needed to get this one guy.

Our behavior as a country has been embarassing and perpetuating a number of negative stereotypes.

We blasted an unassociated country during the process of this whole thing, for all the good it did.

Osama bin Laden is a self-important twat. (Sorry, WAS one.)

Yarble yarble yarble BLAM!

 

[FeralDynasty]

I get that people are pissed because he was partially behind the 9/11 attacks, his full involvement will never be known and anyone who claims to know without detailed personal accounts is lying. This does not change the fact that he was a 54 year old dialysis patient who was probably on his way out when the U.S. soldiers put him out of his misery. Over 6000 American soldiers died to find this one man. Was it worth it?

In my opinion, no, it was not worth it. I stand ready to say "I told you so" when Al'Qaeda responds more viciously for the U.S. killing their figurehead than the original 9/11 attacks. I just hope they don't target Chicago. That would show the fuck out of me.

 

[zelda2fanboy]

Are you saying we should give credit to the terrorists that crashed the planes into the WTC? Wow.

Also, you don't have to pull the trigger to be directly responsible.

Yes. You don't think Al-Qaida saw 9/11 as a huge win for them (at the time)? 9/11 should be attributed to the terrorists who actually did it, not some douche hiding in the desert for 10 years. I detect a deliberate attempt at a lack of reading comprehension. I will stop posting in this thread now.