Poll: So... Diablo 3 or Torchlight 2?

[BloatedGuppy]

Normal difficulty is pretty easy however there are people in the Battle.net forums stating that the difficulty begins to ramp up in act 2, with several people dying in act 2 itself. Seasoned Diablo players have claimed that as of act 2 they've had to stop dicking around and start putting thought into their builds to balance damage vs. suvivability.

The beta was awfully misleading for gauging difficulty as it only finished about a third of the way in to act 1.

As for mosnter scaling, it something like this:

Normal: +75% Health per additional player
Hell: +85% Health + 5% Damage per additional player
Nightmare: +95% Health + 10% Damage per additional player
Inferno: +110% Health + 15% Damage

So a party of 4 in Inferno will have monsters that have 430% health and deal 45% more damage.

Well that was a wealth of information, thank you.

My girlfriend can be a bit of a dope sometimes when it comes to online gaming and is content to let me do all the heavy lifting, so it sounds like it'll marginally harder instead of marginally easier, which is a relief.

 

[The Pinray]

There's been an influx of new Torchlight 2 footage on YouTube and I must say it's shaping up to be a great title.

 

[DingoDoom]

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I don't see your points, you've just gone off on a rant and incoherently dissected my previous post I do not quite follow where you're coming from.

What is so incoherent about it? Surely you do know how to read correct? Want me to summarize my points?

1) This is a single player game if there is a single player option. Battle.net, just like in previous Diablo games, supplement the core game, not carry it.
2) Playing alone and playing with friends is a preference
3) Not everybody has perfect internet like you. Just because YOU don't have problems does not mean others don't either.
4) Bad servers, ISP problems etc. does not mean someone does not have internet
5) Likewise, equating bad service to having no internet is pure stupidity.
6) There are major problems with always online

Edit: @BloatedGuppy
No, D3 is not an MMO but it is also not a multiplayer game. Multiplayer is an option, not a requirement. D3 is not a multiplayer centric game like say TF2, it should and is perfectly viable to play it single-player much like Dungeon Siege 2. You CAN have your friends join and have some co-op fun, but it is not required to beat the game. The reason I bring up Dungeon Siege 2 is because it is very similar in genre and it has a similar co-op system with either friends or with NPC controlled characters.

 

[LiftYourSkinnyFists]

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I don't see your points, you've just gone off on a rant and incoherently dissected my previous post I do not quite follow where you're coming from.

What is so incoherent about it? Surely you do know how to read correct? Want me to summarize my points?

1) This is a single player game if there is a single player option. Battle.net, just like in previous Diablo games, supplement the core game, not carry it.
2) Playing alone and playing with friends is a preference
3) Not everybody has perfect internet like you. Just because YOU don't have problems does not mean others don't either.
4) Bad servers, ISP problems etc. does not mean someone does not have internet
5) Likewise, equating bad service to having no internet is pure stupidity.
6) There are major problems with always online

Edit: @BloatedGuppy
No, D3 is not an MMO but it is also not a multiplayer game. Multiplayer is an option, not a requirement. D3 is not a multiplayer centric game like say TF2, it should and is perfectly viable to play it single-player much like Dungeon Siege 2. You CAN have your friends join and have some co-op fun, but it is not required to beat the game. The reason I bring up Dungeon Siege 2 is because it is very similar in genre and it has a similar co-op system with either friends or with NPC controlled characters.

Blizzard stated long ago they were dropping the core single player element.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Edit: @BloatedGuppy
No, D3 is not an MMO but it is also not a multiplayer game. Multiplayer is an option, not a requirement. D3 is not a multiplayer centric game like say TF2, it should and is perfectly viable to play it single-player much like Dungeon Siege 2. You CAN have your friends join and have some co-op fun, but it is not required to beat the game. The reason I bring up Dungeon Siege 2 is because it is very similar in genre and it has a similar co-op system with either friends or with NPC controlled characters.

But it is. Because they changed it so you need to be online to play it.

I understand what you're saying, and we can sit around and discuss all day long whether or not they should have done what they did, but they did, and Diablo III is now by definition a multiplayer game that you can choose to solo in.

Once that "always online" business is in there, and your friends can drop in and out of your game at any time, you cease to be a single player title in any meaningful sense of the term.

 

[DingoDoom]

But it is. Because they changed it so you need to be online to play it.

I understand what you're saying, and we can sit around and discuss all day long whether or not they should have done what they did, but they did, and Diablo III is now by definition a multiplayer game that you can choose to solo in.

Once that "always online" business is in there, and your friends can drop in and out of your game at any time, you cease to be a single player title in any meaningful sense of the term.

I agree it is pointless to argue it further but that brings back the question of why didn't they just advertise it as an MMO? There is literally nothing resembling a single player experience. Like you said, it is essentially a multiplayer game with the always online yet it is still advertised as a action RPG last time I checked.

As far as I know, the multiplayer aspect, barring the coop, is from the retarded auction house and possibly pvp. The latter which D2 also had but was separate from the singleplayer. Always online is NOT necessary for coop at all as there is also not enough 'multiplayer' aspects to justify this game AS a multiplayer game in my opinion.

 

[Naqel]

Torchlight 2

It wins with it's lower price and not being related in any way to Activision.

 

[ramboondiea]

torchlight two for me thanks, just pre-ordered it, and going through the original now, just looks the better of the two plus with the mandatory online thing just puts me off.

on a side note i am very happy to be the vote that shifted it from 50/50, thats me Ramboondiea the decider hhahaa

 

[ecoho]

torchlight 2 why? 4 words real money auction house. pay to win = me no play

 

[WoW Killer]

Can I ask you a question? How well does the game scale to multiple players? I'm planning on co-oping this with my girlfriend, but she was out last night so I messed around in solo and found it almost painfully easy. I'm sure it'll still be fun enough even then but I'm really hoping it kicks it up a notch as more people join.

I don't honestly know. I've only played one co-op game which was with my brother during beta. I didn't notice any scaling particularly, though I presume it's in there (they had it in D2 so it stands to reason). But then the beta was notoriously easy; it'll get a lot harder later and presumably any scaling would get more noticeable too. I'm still on trial mode till my copy arrives (hopefully soon-tm), so I'll get a better look in a few days. What I played of co-op it was a case of the faster class killing everything and the other class swinging at thin air looking not so pleased with themselves. A class like the Witch Doctor has a lot of fire power once they've ramped up, but with an auto-attack like the spider jar thing you have a short delay before you do any damage. Compare this to a Monk using the teleport Fist of Thunder thing and you have one bored Witch Doctor so long as the content remains easy. That was basically the only experience I had with multiplayer. It'll end up much better than that I'm sure, but that's all I know for now.

 

[matrix3509]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

 

[Agayek]

Torchlight 2. I can't support always-on DRM in single player games.

And before the thread is flooded with people asking where's the "both" option in the poll, this is obviously a topic for people who will only choose one of these two games.

captcha: road apples

I've been getting the weirdest captchas lately.

Pretty much this.

I'm a textbook example of poor impulse control though, and I ended up buying Diablo 3 when the friends I game with were raving about it. My answer's both, but my recommendation if you're going to choose one is definitely Torchlight 2.

 

[3asytarg3t]

The premise of this thread is a fallacy known as a false dilemma.

 

[Snowblindblitz]

torchlight 2 why? 4 words real money auction house. pay to win = me no play

Make sure you don't trade or use the regular auction house, because, by your definition they are pay to win. Pay to win implies the items are spawned into the game, which they are not in this situation. Players are just charging an alternative currency for the items they spend the hours grinding.

I don't mind you not liking it, but I hate how people mistake it for pay to win.

 

[blaqknoise]

Diablo 3

My friends are all playing Diablo 3, so I would choose it over Torchlight 2 so I could play with them.

 

[Vigormortis]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

Actually, the better question is, WHY should anyone give a flying fuck-rat about hackers?

The game has no PvP component. It's ONLY co-op.

Ergo, it's a bit idiotic for anyone to be worried about hackers or to proclaim the game is pay-to-win.

Keeping this in mind, I once again pose the question I've asked several times before: Why did Blizzard implement Always-On DRM?

Answer: So they can tell you all when, where, and HOW to play your game. And, to control every aspect of the game in an attempt to milk every single last penny they can from you. (through the Auction House)

Anyone who thinks there are ANY OTHER REASONS beyond those is deluding themselves.

 

[JEBWrench]

What if your power goes out?

While this is not explicitly true, there are quite a lot of people who'd have trouble playing any PC game if the power went out, comrade dingo.

Give me one valid reason to have queuing in singleplayer and I will buy a physical copy of D3 and eat it.

Well, it builds anticipation of course, for the experience you're about to receive. It helps put you in the mindset of those fortunate enough to be able to play the game they bought.

 

[Substitute Troll]

I don't see why I can't have both. I'm loving D3, but I've played the beta of TL2 and loved that equally.

 

[Substitute Troll]

People need to stop saying, "Oh now we won't have hackers." Who gives a flying fuck-rat about hackers when the auction house is the most blatent bit of Pay2Win fuckery that has ever been attempted? Not even Zynga have the balls to do something like this.

Actually, the better question is, WHY should anyone give a flying fuck-rat about hackers?

The game has no PvP component. It's ONLY co-op.

Ergo, it's a bit idiotic for anyone to be worried about hackers or to proclaim the game is pay-to-win.

Keeping this in mind, I once again pose the question I've asked several times before: Why did Blizzard implement Always-On DRM?

Answer: So they can tell you all when, where, and HOW to play your game. And, to control every aspect of the game in an attempt to milk every single last penny they can from you. (through the Auction House)

Anyone who thinks there are ANY OTHER REASONS beyond those is deluding themselves.

You're wrong. Please, do your fucking research before you start spouting ignorance. The game will feature a PvP component, but it will be added in an (free) update post-launch.

 

[katsumoto03]

I refuse to play Diablo 3 because of all the always online bullshit. Plus, I really enjoyed Torchlight.