Poll: So I found this "feminist" site

[wadark]

Ah... I hate that form of argument. I was agreeing with the first few points, and then BAM, RIGHT OFF THE DEEP END.

it's a common trick, saying some things that most or many will agree with, and then transitioning into something ludicrous. The idea is that if people are more likely to agree with you, if they already agree with the first bit you said.

It's very plain here. I agree that 50 shades of grey is not a feminist book, and it does come off as very misogynist, but then it goes right into "All men are violent and destructive and women should live in a separate world from them" territory. And I let out a sigh of frustration.

Feminism needs to drop this angle about the "patriarchy" it's tainting their message.

I mean does 50 Shades or Twilight HAVE to be about the poor women unable to think or feel for themselves because of the male dominance in society....

Or can we just say that they're both really crappy books?

 

[Darkmantle]

Ah... I hate that form of argument. I was agreeing with the first few points, and then BAM, RIGHT OFF THE DEEP END.

it's a common trick, saying some things that most or many will agree with, and then transitioning into something ludicrous. The idea is that if people are more likely to agree with you, if they already agree with the first bit you said.

It's very plain here. I agree that 50 shades of grey is not a feminist book, and it does come off as very misogynist, but then it goes right into "All men are violent and destructive and women should live in a separate world from them" territory. And I let out a sigh of frustration.

Feminism needs to drop this angle about the "patriarchy" it's tainting their message.

I mean does 50 Shades or Twilight HAVE to be about the poor women unable to think or feel for themselves because of the male dominance in society....

Or can we just say that they're both really crappy books?

It's a shitty book, with a shittier fan-fiction written off it. It passes by virtue of being porn targeted at women.

I've seen better porn story lines than shades actually.

 

[direkiller]

Yeah, from what I've heard, the book is just terrible, like fanfiction written by a 14 year old.

Thats only because the voice of Yago is reading it

 

[wadark]

Ah... I hate that form of argument. I was agreeing with the first few points, and then BAM, RIGHT OFF THE DEEP END.

it's a common trick, saying some things that most or many will agree with, and then transitioning into something ludicrous. The idea is that if people are more likely to agree with you, if they already agree with the first bit you said.

It's very plain here. I agree that 50 shades of grey is not a feminist book, and it does come off as very misogynist, but then it goes right into "All men are violent and destructive and women should live in a separate world from them" territory. And I let out a sigh of frustration.

Feminism needs to drop this angle about the "patriarchy" it's tainting their message.

I mean does 50 Shades or Twilight HAVE to be about the poor women unable to think or feel for themselves because of the male dominance in society....

Or can we just say that they're both really crappy books?

It's a shitty book, with a shittier fan-fiction written off it. It passes by virtue of being porn targeted at women.

I've seen better porn story lines than shades actually.

That's my point. I mean, this notion that Twilight's Edward and Bella meet the criteria of domestic violence. There are hundreds of modern vampire/supernatural stories where the characters act in ways that approximates those criteria, but no one raises a fuss about those. In the context of a vampire story (particularly an emo vampire story), those behaviors make some measure of sense.

The problem with Twilight isn't that its glorifying domestic violence. The problem with 50 shades isn't that it's glorifying male dominance. The problem with these books is that they're terrible. Granted, I haven't read 50 shades, but I have read Twilight and its boring, long, characters behave stupidly, and its just all around bad. (In my opinion of course.)

And because its so bad, we look for things to hate about it, even when those things basically amount to a conspiracy theory.

 

[dslatch]

The girls commenting on that article really need to get laid... like really bad... and reach orgasm.... just pissed off ones though.

 

[Xman490]

I can see how they would feel the way they do about 50 shades based on what I have heard about it but it seems they often forget that BDSM goes both ways. Statistically yes there are more women who prefer to be subs as well as men who prefer to dom but the practices themselves go both ways and it is not gender specific at all.

I agree with this.

However, I can see where these "radical feminists" are coming from: the early 20th century and earlier. In regards to the 21st century, the point can be made that women are slightly dominating men sexually, socially, and even educationally.

I don't understand how 50 Shades has become "mommy porn" unless many "mommies" are in submissive relationships with their husbands.

 

[Rainforce]

Oh hey, 'feminists'! This ought to be a fun thread. I don't have much to add apart from a big ol' webcomic.

Spoiler: Long-ass comic spoiler. Don't say I didn't warn you.

I think we can all agree that when your views are even more extreme than a cartoon parody of extreme views, something's wrong.

damn, I was about to post that D:

but I agree.

also why 9000 Shades Of Things I Don't Care About as source? WHY?

Dominating men sexually? You know how few women enjoy sex compared to men, right? How rarely a woman reaches orgasm from what most men consider intercourse--"put it in and move until I cum"? Have you seen porn recently? It's largely women pretending to moan and scream for the arousal of a man, while she sits, kneels or lies still and gets fucked, before then being ejaculated on. I'm willing to bet my life savings that your average man honestly believes women get off on simply lying still and having a dick pushed into her for three minutes.

How does society treat a woman that seeks out sex? With shame. With disrespect. It degrades her and labels her a dirty slut. A man doing the same? A player. Someone other men envy. Someone good at "getting laid."

Oh yeah, women are easily dominating men sexually.

This whole enjoying sex business sounds more like lack of communication between partners and whatnot. You actually need to point out your needs in a relationship, people cannot read minds.
or so I heard.

although I agree on the "shame" part, but it's nothing compared to the stupidity of mankind as a whole when it comes to some perspectives/decisions.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Just a thought, why would you call yourself a radical feminist blog? Radical implies being a bit crazy about it and not listening to anything but your own propaganda.

Anyway, onto the contents of the blog.

*Reads*

Can women not like BDSM? Apparently it makes them sexist...
What the fuck is this blog? I hate people like this. It gives more ammo for the "ALL FEMINISTS HATE MEN AND HATE SEX AND THINK MEN SHOULD DIE" idiots.

 

[General Twinkletoes]

Just a thought, why would you call yourself a radical feminist blog? Radical implies being a bit crazy about it and not listening to anything but your own propaganda.

Anyway, onto the contents of the blog.

*Reads*

Can women not like BDSM? Apparently it makes them sexist...
What the fuck is this blog? I hate people like this. It gives more ammo for the "ALL FEMINISTS HATE MEN AND HATE SEX AND THINK MEN SHOULD DIE" idiots.

Radical isn't a negative term in and of itself; it simply implies an extreme or a drastic. You can be radically anti-racist by feverishly campaigning for stricter laws to stop racial violence, for example.

Yeah I know it technically means that, but when it comes to feminism and things like it radical is often equated to being batshit crazy. Anti feminists often dismiss someone's opinion by calling it radical, it seems a bit silly to call yourself one.

 

[stranamente]

My eyebrows.... I think you'll see them in the next picture sent by Curiosity...

 

[Vault101]

unrelated but the fact that the fans and main audience for things like Twilight/50 shades are women makes me think...

In the words of Nostalga Chick

"fuck it!.....femism is over..its dead..you killed it"

 

[Myndnix]

Do you think I could make these peoples' heads explode if I told them that most of my friends are female and we engage in pleasent, intelligent conversation on a daily basis? And I have no intention of trying to bed any of them? Or would they just fly into an unstoppable rage and call me a dirty lying rapist man?
I'm just spitballing, here.

 

[repeating integers]

I'm still annoyed that shitty fanfics like 50 Shades of Grey can get published, while awesome ones like Mass Effect: Interregnum [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5775707/1/Mass-Effect-Interregnum] and Opening the Closet Door a Crack [http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5975084/1/] remain buried in the morass of fanfiction.net.

I know of the Radfem Hub from fstdt, though. There's this one member, Mary Sunshine, who advocates letting male babies die [http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87848]. Twice. [http://www.fstdt.com/QuoteComment.aspx?QID=87725]

 

[Myndnix]

Oh, addendum: These self-professed feminists also seem to miss one of the most basic facts of our species: Both males and females are necessary for the species to continue existing.
That's like as basic as 'we need to drink water'.