Poll: Storm troopers or Clone troopers

[Kukakkau]

Another thing worthy of Note, was the Clone Army was breed and created to simply destroy the Jedi Order, its why the Emperor went to such great lengths to recruit Jango Fett (the current Mandalore) since he'd been known to kill Jedi with his bare hands.

After the fact, Troopers so powerful would only be a threat to the the last known force sensitives (Vader and Sidius respectively). Another reason for the quality drop, and the new clones.

Really? Cause in Episode II he stands around like an idiot and get decapitated, doesn't even think to move away from the glowing sword that equals death

 

[Simriel]

Also clones carry a heavy blaster rifle, whereas storm troopers have a standard blaster.

 

[ffxfriek]

the clones their younger stormtroopers though their both the exact same

 

[Flour]

Edit2:After some thinking over this maybe the Clone Troopers cause the StormTroopers seem to use paper for body armour considering their super army gets butchered by teddy bears armed with rocks and pointy sticks...

There's something called contractual immortality, which allows anybody to survive as long as they do not wear a helmet or a red shirt [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RedShirt].(stormtroopers have both the helmet and the Star Wars version of a red shirt)

 

[Elim Garak]

Clones, in your list, although I would also add the droids. Most weren't that competent in the movies (damn you Lucas!), but the whole concept was awesome.

When I saw the arena scene where hundreds of droids are taking on and killing Jedi, I damned near cried it was so beautiful. Triumph of human (or whatever) ingenuity, science, and technology over hocky religion and superstition. The background music for that scene should have been "Triumph of the Common Man".

I am guessing that the only reason the technology in SW is so backward and pathetic (hasn't progressed in the 20 years between the movies - regressed, even) is that the Force and the Jedi (light + dark) have been strangling innovation somehow. The Empire produced engineering marvels, but nothing fundamentally new. If you read the books, technologically the galaxy has remained at a stand still for several hundred years, if not thousands.

 

[Highlandheadbanger]

They both kinda sucked in the departments of aim, intelligence, and general servicability, but they're still a helluva lot better then drones.

Also I kinda thought it was a stupid twist that they were all clones of Boba Fett's father, but then I remembered that Darth Vader built C-3PO and Yoda was close friends with Chebbacca, so fuck the prequel trilogy.

 

[Beowulf DW]

I liked the Clone Trooper armor better than the Storm Trooper armor.

 

[rottenbutter]

Clone Troopers- Killed 99% of all Jedis

Storm Troopers- Couldn't kill 3 people and a walking carpet in a small corridor, and got their asses handed to them by fucking EWOKS!

I think it's pretty clear who the winner is.

 

[Lyiat]

They... are the same.... army.... -_-

Wrong! Clones only make up a small part of the imperial army after kimino rebelled! BOW BEFORE MY SUPERIOR STAR WARS KNOWLEDGE! And clone troopers just have a more... refined feel to them, even in think like the helmet, and the weapons.

... Your knowledge is not superior. The -very small- rebellion of Kamino was put down by the Empire's 501st legion, which consisted entirely of clones. The incident was known as the Clone Revolt.

Both got nothing on Waffen SS (which I think was the inspiration for Storm troopers)

Your seriously going to compare Nazis with conventional rifles and tanks to space faring warriors wearing power armor and posses planet destroying superweapons. Thats what your going with.

A disciplined soldier is a weapon on his own, equipment is just an addition.
And yeah I think a squad of SS troops with their high caliber machine guns, panzerschrecks and granades would win against the same amount of stormtroopers with their terribly inaccurate and slow laser rifles and shitty tactics (I'm judging by their performance in the movies, not some nerdy book that describes how blasters work on 200 pages)

And how would you know of the SS Waffen outside of a book or a video game with equally geeky qualities? I think any manual fully detailing how a gun works is no worse then a book on the theory of laser rifles. Its a double-standard, that.

Point in fact, movies portray the minion bad guys as chumps. We know through the books that the Stormtroopers are an elite military unit. People were -very- afraid of them for a reason.

Edit: That, and whenever I see someone from the Third Reich in any video game I put them down quickly and easily, and their aim is no better then the Stormtroopers from Episode IV. So are we -really- going to compare this in this fashion?

 

[Rolling Thunder]

Stormtroopers do not have power armour.

This is not power armour


This is power armour.

Actually, I'd go with the Waffen-SS. Partly because the Waffen-SS would be equally fanatical, have a better range of weapons (Goliaths, Flamethrowers, Panzershrecks/fausts, LMGs, SMGs, Assault rifles etc rather than just laser weapons.), and partly because they have Tiger tanks. There is little more badass, save

You cannot stop the might of the Emperor. The cool, immortal emperor that is.

 

[Lyiat]

Stormtroopers do not have power armour.

This is not power armour


This is power armour.

Actually, I'd go with the Waffen-SS. Partly because the Waffen-SS would be equally fanatical, have a better range of weapons (Goliaths, Flamethrowers, Panzershrecks/fausts, LMGs, SMGs, Assault rifles etc rather than just laser weapons.), and partly because they have Tiger tanks. There is little more badass, save

You cannot stop the might of the Emperor. The cool, immortal emperor that is.

Because a King Tiger > Star Dreadnought, right? A ship that is roughly eleven miles long with turbolasers capable to turning an entire planet to molten slag over the course of a Earth Week would -so- lose to a King Tiger.

And when citing Power Armor, do -not- point at 40k and tell me that it is the prime example. The Space Marines are closer to bloody gundams than humans. I would actually argue that that are more actually androids!

Power Armor is defined as a powered exoskeleton that provides protection. Period. We almost have stuff like this IN REAL LIFE. The Stormtrooper armor, by that standard, is considered power armor.

Edit: Oh, and for a limited weaponry choice...?

Imperial Light Repeater
Imperial Heavy Repeater
Flachette Launcher
Hold-out Blaster
Several forms of Rocket Launcher
Turbolasers
Ion Cannons
AT-class vehicals
TIE fighters
Star Destroyer Class Warships
Thermal Detonators
Imperial Flamer
DetPacks
Death Star
Death Star II
Orbital Nightcloak
Sun Crusher

And thats not the least of them...

 

[Trivun]

The Clone Troopers were all the same, but the Stormtroopers weren't, despite being clones. In between Epsiodes 3 and 4, there was a rebellion on Kamino when the Kaminoans sympathised with the fledgling Rebel Alliance and started using the DNA of Jango Fett (kept on record) to create new clones to help the Rebels. The rebellion was put down and the Empire took control of the cloning chambers, and so the 501st Legion (Vader's own personal guard, Vader's Fist) were the only Stormtroopers left who were pure Jango Fett clones. Every other legion was forced to integrate with new clones taken from a variety of sources, usually high-ranking officers in the Imperial Navy. Personally I think this made the Stormtroopers more diverse, but weaker as well as they no longer were able to fight with the same troop cohesion and comfort as they did when they were all from one source. Obviously Vader's Fist were still as good as ever though, but the new guys weren't battle hardened like the Clone Troopers were. Therefore I think the Clone Troopers were better.

 

[IceStar100]

GOOOO NAZI.......Wait what?

 

[Lyiat]

The Clone Troopers were all the same, but the Stormtroopers weren't, despite being clones. In between Epsiodes 3 and 4, there was a rebellion on Kamino when the Kaminoans sympathised with the fledgling Rebel Alliance and started using the DNA of Jango Fett (kept on record) to create new clones to help the Rebels. The rebellion was put down and the Empire took control of the cloning chambers, and so the 501st Legion (Vader's own personal guard, Vader's Fist) were the only Stormtroopers left who were pure Jango Fett clones. Every other legion was forced to integrate with new clones taken from a variety of sources, usually high-ranking officers in the Imperial Navy. Personally I think this made the Stormtroopers more diverse, but weaker as well as they no longer were able to fight with the same troop cohesion and comfort as they did when they were all from one source. Obviously Vader's Fist were still as good as ever though, but the new guys weren't battle hardened like the Clone Troopers were. Therefore I think the Clone Troopers were better.

This is a reasonable argument. I will still argue that the armies are still very comparable to one another.

 

[runtheplacered]

I voted Stormtroopers since there wasn't any criteria for how we were supposed to choose. Which one is "better"? Better at being in good movies? Better at not having to utilize CGI to show off their army? Better at getting blown up in a Death Star? Better chance of being seen at Comi-Con? Better chance of popping up in my mind? Stormtroopers all the way.

 

[EscapeGoat_v1legacy]

Personally, the storm troopers. Not because they were better, because they clearly weren't, but because they were the original incompetent baddies in Star Wars, and represent a time before Star Wars was bastardised. They might not have been able to shoot straight, and were prone to bashing their heads in on the doors, but they were cool, they were awesome, and they had some badass starships.

 

[Lyiat]

Oh... Also? Stormtroopers had Grand Moff Tarkin and Grand Admiral Thrawn.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

1. Stormtrooper armour provides no additional 'power' to the trooper's body strength. It does not make him stronger, faster or in any way improve his combat performance beyond protecting him from long-ranged blaster fire. Therefore it is not power armour.

2. It was a ground war. If you're going space-wise: Nazi's use a nuke, and blow the Dreadnaught out of the sky, with the EMP disabling all the other ships. If we're going for overkill.

3. You just compared psychotic, feudalistic-knights in spaceships with womanly japanese comic-suits. You sir, are a fool.

4. Let's take this outside http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/362.87536