TheDrunkNinja said:
deadish said:
The scenario we're talking about is full out, cut loose, no-holds-barred fight from both opponents. Two men using everything they have and are capable of to kill the other with no regard to outside influence. No other heroes or villains. No other people or factors. No interfering ideals, creeds, or beliefs. No deus ex machina from a biased writer.
In which, I must say, I don't see any possibility. It's generally what I think of when discussing a "what if" fight, which I believe everyone else was thinking as well. We aren't considering future storylines from writers since it has no place for speculation, you know?
Everything in the case of Batman includes his entire armory, which as I mentioned can be made as strong as the writer wants without breaking lore as it's contents never was well defined in the first place - who know what Bats have in there.
Deus Ex Machina is subjective. Personally, I define it as, as long as it doesn't break plot consistency then it isn't Deus Ex Machina.
Joseph Alexander said:
"Batman can play at that too. Just sniper Sups in the back with a kryptonite tip arrow/bullet"
let me get this straight, you think you can hit a man.. with a bullet... who can move faster then said bullet and hear the gun fire even if its on the other side of the planet.
In the context of a surprise attack, Sups wouldn't know it was tip with kryptonite and would just have eaten it.
listen theres only a handful of super heroes who can legibly stop superman, the flashes, captain atom(red sun radiation or any of the myriad of kryptonites),and captain marvel are the only ones who could really do it.
if its just batman vs. superman, supes can just roast him from space.
theres a reason optic blasts are some of the most powerful attacks in comics, they're self aiming sniper rifles, add in telescopic and microscopic vision and its the ultimate weapon.
the second supes looks at bats, no more bats, just a smoking corpse.
In a hand to hand fight yes, only a few can stop him. But Bats doesn't necessarily has to fight fair, he rarely does that against a strong foe that he can't physically beat.
Hide in a armored bunker - his bat caves practically are those. That's the thing, Bats doesn't really need to be present for the fight to be honest. Hide somewhere and nail Sups with missiles load with kryptonite or fire kryptonite lasers at Sups - don't tell me Sups is so powerful that he can dodge those too; he gets smacked around by those pretty often to my knowledge.
Writers, writers, it depends on the writers.
and don't give me none of that miller bullshit about being prepared for everything bats rarely is, he has plans for everything yes but thats not the same as having it in his belt of wonders.
batmans shtick isn't that hes "prepared for everything" its that he can "deal with anything" its not that he has a way, its that he FINDS one.
I disagree. He prepares for almost everything, that is his modus op. Nothing to do with his belt really, that's just one of his many tools.
Whether the said plans are effective or not is another matter.
"Deal with anything" doesn't make sense, as he can only deal with tougher foes if he is prepared unlike Sups.