Poll: Taxes...

[Jenny Creed]

Here in Sweden, the tax is typically deducted from your pay before you see it. That way you don't get attached to money that's not actually yours.

Fair or unfair, that money belongs to the state, because if you don't give it to them they'll give you a fucking beating. I suggest learn to live with it, or declare yourself a sovereign nation.

Oh and PS. Having a good fire department and police and healthcare and free education and roads and not the least a system that allows people who can't fend for themselves to live is worth any price in my opinion. What the hell, it's only money.

 

[Moonmover]

More importantly the constitutional ammendment allowing federal income tax at all was never ratified. [http://political-resources.com/taxes/16thamendment/default.htm] There is no actual law requiring anyone to pay federal income tax.

And most people who don't, never get in trouble for it.

 

[esposch]

Hey man, just remember that tha money is going to a cause cause - Setting fire to muslims!

 

[Abedeus]

Here in Sweden, the tax is typically deducted from your pay before you see it. That way you don't get attached to money that's not actually yours.

Fair or unfair, that money belongs to the state, because if you don't give it to them they'll give you a fucking beating. I suggest learn to live with it, or declare yourself a sovereign nation.

Same. In Poland you only pay taxes and if you aren't living in a single-family home, you have to pay the town for energy and gas.

 

[Roamin11]

Taxes keep health care free, social programs open, and my uncle on well fair =(, other then the last one Taxes are important.. For canada that is.....

 

[Alex_P]

Here in Sweden, the tax is typically deducted from your pay before you see it. That way you don't get attached to money that's not actually yours.

That's how income tax generally works in the US. Most of it is taken out of your paycheck before you get it. But the stuff coming out of your paycheck isn't always exactly what you owe. So once a year you pay off the extra or get a check for what you overpaid. This is when you can claim tax rebates for stuff like student loans or money you gave away to charity or whatever.

I don't know if this is well-known -- it certainly isn't commonly done, -- but you can mess with how much is deducted monthly by changing a number on this worksheet you file when you set up the job. The forms you file at the end of the year list how much total you paid and how much you owe, so you can't actually cheat your way into money this way, but you can pay more up-front to be pretty much guaranteed a refund every April.

-- Alex

 

[Tarmon'gaidin]

Yes that is right because it the same way here in Holland and in most country's all over the world, so I would suggest start making more money.

 

[Ionami]

In America

Isnt is amusing, the more money you make the more taxes they take. Fine, whatever, If I fell into that category I might care more about it. My problem isnt that I make too much money, its that I dont make enough.

I read the instructions on my tax forms when I filled them out last year. So I did them as I should have. As a consequence, I now have a hefty payment I must pay the government because I dont make enough money. I have to pay the government almost $700. (Im not making this up)

Just a glimpse into our lives here in America for anyone who dosent live here. Both my wife and I work. Neither of us make a lot of money, so we need as much money out of our checks as we can get just to make bill payments. Because we are taking out as much as we can out of our checks (this money that we have earned). We now owe the government money because we dont have enough to go around. YES, you read that right. Because we need our money and we dont make enough, now we owe the government for US not having enough money. Im going to have to take a loan out of the bank just to cover this amount, because of course, I dont have the money.

Does anyone think this is just? You have to pay the government because your broke!!! (If anyone from the government reads this and disagrees. Bite Me!)

Here in Canada, income tax is 50% of our pay and in my province(Ontario) shopping tax is 15%(or maybe 16%,I can't really remember)

Then there's property tax etc.

Uhh... 50%? I don't know what part of Canada you're living in pal, but it's 15% for income tax where I live. You should move.

the poll question is a bit confusing,is it to read"Is this right?" as in your given situtation?
or taxes,is it just to collect them in general?

Im not going to argue with the government collecting taxes. But c'mon, if im bad off enough that I NEED all my money, not just to go out and blow it on stupid stuff. Then I shouldnt be penalized like this (or anyone in that respect). I have paid taxes all year, Apparently they dont think ive paid enough.

(We even had to skip Christmas all together this last year because we didnt have any money)

Not to be a dick, but you should consider not working at McDonalds anymore.

 

[Corpse XxX]

Wow.. There really is a big difference between europe and America.. I live in Norway, and 700 dollars is sometimes what i use on alcohol on a weekend when im out both friday and saturday.. And i just have an upper average paycheck..

 

[Rolling Thunder]

All compulsory taxes are wrong. It may be a necessary evil, but it should be kept to a minimum.
And progressive taxes are just plain robbery.

?

Oh dear, another Randist. And just after I'd explained basic economics to the last one....gah.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

There is no need for what? Despair? Disgust? Rudeness? If you are not a Randist, then I apologise for the insult. If you are, then I refrain from further comment.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

All compulsory taxes are wrong. It may be a necessary evil, but it should be kept to a minimum.
And progressive taxes are just plain robbery.

ok then, let's switch to regressive taxes, what an awesome idea.

I was thinking about linear, but why the hell not?
At least it would encourage people to work harder and get richer.

No, it wouldn't. Because once you became poor you'd be trapped into poverty... the impoverished already spend the bulk of their incomes on essentials like food and rent. Taxing them heavily would reduce their ability to set anything aside for education (for themselves or their kids) and make it impossible for them to gain the skills necessary to move up the income ladder.

A regressive tax would lead to a large body of poor with little to no spending power and no way to improve it, a small and desperate middle class afraid to spend for fear of ending up impoverished, and a tiny group of wealthy who can dictate terms of employment and probably spend a lot of time stabbing each other in the back. This, by the way, isn't speculation; it has happened to a lot of societies around the world, Imperial Rome and pre- and early-Victorian England being two notable examples. It killed Rome; the British were luckier.

-- Steve

 

[sirdapfrey]

In America

Isnt is amusing, the more money you make the more taxes they take. Fine, whatever, If I fell into that category I might care more about it. My problem isnt that I make too much money, its that I dont make enough.

I read the instructions on my tax forms when I filled them out last year. So I did them as I should have. As a consequence, I now have a hefty payment I must pay the government because I dont make enough money. I have to pay the government almost $700. (Im not making this up)

Just a glimpse into our lives here in America for anyone who dosent live here. Both my wife and I work. Neither of us make a lot of money, so we need as much money out of our checks as we can get just to make bill payments. Because we are taking out as much as we can out of our checks (this money that we have earned). We now owe the government money because we dont have enough to go around. YES, you read that right. Because we need our money and we dont make enough, now we owe the government for US not having enough money. Im going to have to take a loan out of the bank just to cover this amount, because of course, I dont have the money.

Does anyone think this is just? You have to pay the government because your broke!!! (If anyone from the government reads this and disagrees. Bite Me!)

Change your filing status. You will see a slight decrease in your paychecks, but you won't get hit nearly so hard come tax time. You may even get money back. Every single tax year I've ever worked I've gotten money back; during those years my salary ranged from $16,000 to $50,000+.

 

[Easykill]

I don't get it? Not a fan of taxes either, but I have no idea what you're saying.

 

[Anton P. Nym]

Ok you're right, my statement was silly and thoughtless.
But still we both agree on how devastating taxes are for human initiative.

No, actually. I would certainly agree that taxing until people have no discretionary income is devastating, but it's also possible to tax too little; then infrastructure fails, you have insufficient means to defend against foreign aggressors or internal crime, more and more discretionary funds end up being diverted to cover new essentials like health care and personal security, foreign exchange starts breaking down under the weight of graft and failing facilities, and the list goes on.

Tax too much and you end up with late-Empire Rome. Tax too little and you end up with 21st century Somalia. This isn't an easy balance.

-- Steve

 

[Jenny Creed]

Human initiative? You mean the initiative to make lots of money. I think humans can do some things more meaningful than that.

 

[Gormers1]

Live in Norway, a "socialistic" country. The tax is at max here, especially for those who really earns in a lot of dough. However we all live fine, and the poorest have low taxes to pay so they manage to live a decent life. In general, the percentage of people that is considered poor, is very low. Also we get a lot of free public services of what you call it, as for example health care.

The government can be a little too nice though...

 

[Uncompetative]

America tries to have it both ways:

- build a civil society through taxation
- support capitalism (your employer can fail to give you a decent working wage)

So, I suggest you complain about the right thing, which of these two options isn't tax.

 

[goater24]

Seems to me like your living above your means (spending to much), dont pay your taxes correctly and are complaining that your being charged for the adjustment. Its a tough brake fella but everyone has to pay there taxes at the amount set. Otherwse how do you expect your country to run properly. You can't moan about statury payments you know you have to make and havn't. I feel sorry that your in a tight spot and hate to see people taking out loans but laws are laws I suppose.

I lose about 25% of every pay cheque I get in the uk and seeing $1000-$1400 zumped out of me earnings is a *****, but you run a budget and stick to it so instances like your don't occur to me.

If I have misunderstood your situation I apologise also boss!

 

[axia777]

Next year go to H&R Block. If they screw up they pay the difference in taxes. If you own after that some how you screwed up on your W2 or something.

The people who think taxes are wrong/evil are fools. You people like roads and schools? Guess how all that shit gets paid for? Get a clue.

All compulsory taxes are wrong. It may be a necessary evil, but it should be kept to a minimum.
And progressive taxes are just plain robbery.

ok then, let's switch to regressive taxes, what an awesome idea.

I was thinking about linear, but why the hell not?
At least it would encourage people to work harder and get richer.

See, like this guy. Completely delusional.