...Not a Bush fan, but I wouldn't say he was the worst President in history. That would probably be either LBJ or Buchanan.
Poll: The Final Verdict on George W. Bush?s Presidency?
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quite good if you think the 2nd depression is his fault then we deserve to have a depression firstly america as a whole got to greedy secondly he has done a wonderful job at homeland security thridly the economy was starting to fail before we was in office its to late to get out of the way of a train when its already hit you fourthly 3/5 people who voted worst ever are either blind to world events has a severe case of stupidity or has the peer pressure on him that "bush=bad" fithly the mans war in iraq has made attacks stop here and if you are thinking "BUT ARE SOLDIERS ARE OVER THEIR DIEING FOR NO REASON" no there not let me ask you this would you rather have attacks come at fully trained and armed soldiers or would you rather have attacks come on a bus full of school children because thats what these terroists are they would happily destroy an iraq hospital to kill one american and there over their to help a government but ex-President Bush, that evil basturd cares about non whites how could we ever elect such an evil evil man sixthly katrina 9/11 and all others well please if you think he did such a horrible job then say what you would have done and i will shoot down everyone of what you say
i imgine im going to get flooded with hate mail so please wait a while for my response to your terminal case of stupidity
i imgine im going to get flooded with hate mail so please wait a while for my response to your terminal case of stupidity
Folks don't take kindly to that kind of post around here. Fix your grammar/spelling/capitalization and remember that most keyboards come with a period key.lizards said:
Then maybe your argument will be nice and coherent.
sorry but having grammer in an online forum is up their in my list of interests with having a nail shoved through my stomach dont be such a grammer nazi and i know this is over used but get a life if your going to tell me to use grammer in an online forum
He's not telling you to use grammar and punctuation for our benefit. It's not that we desperately want to hear what you have to say and can't read your post.lizards said:
He's telling you for your own benefit because, as it stands, no one respects you or values your opinion. This isn't 4chan. This is a big boy forum.
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Dude. You know there's an edit button for your own posts.MrShrike said:
First of all, I have no idea what you mean by your response. I just get a vague sense of disgruntlement from it.MrShrike said:
Second, I pointed that out to you because you started a new post with "edit:" and you had two(now three) posts with no content.
Anyhow, we're getting off topic.
Bush should be water boarded.
A. True, true. Maybe they were bathing when they should have been in History class.pantsoffdanceoff said:
B. Woah. Nope, my History at this point is pretty basic. I'm taking a class this term that should cover early American settlement, but my Harding was very rushed. I really need to look into the more interesting (read: corrupt) Presidential figures. They're really fascinating. Watergate alone deserves much more of my attention (but I can't seem to find the time).
C. I should be hearing about this this term of History. Maybe I'll look it up tonight.
Bottom Line: History is cool, and way more relevant than a lot of washed and unwashed masses seem to think.
All that pesky right to privacy was getting in my way. And the lines to get through airport securities were way too fast.Indigo_Dingo said:
Seriously, though, the removal of Saddam Hussein from power cannot be considered anything but good. Only complete anarchy could possibly be worse, and that doesn't seem to be the direction things are heading.
Besides, what was "positive" to say about Harding? Or Johnson? ESPECIALLY Johnson?
And sorry if I ended up double posting.
i went with "good intentions, misled by his advisors", but i don't believe he had the capacity to be a good president. no matter how good his advisors are, a president who depends on them to make his decisions for him is not a true leader.
we'll see what happens if holder decides to prosecute, but other than that i think he will be viewed better over time; if only because people can't get much angrier with him than they are already.
as for the wars, he shouldn't be judged on whether iraq and afghanistan become stable democracies. (venezuela is pretty socialist now so it probably isn't the best example.) i'm a flaming liberal but i readily accept that both wars were morally justified. the problem is that he did not conduct these wars in america's best interest. he acted on faulty intelligence, ignored the Weinberger/Powell doctrine, split the military between two fronts, unilaterally went to war in iraq without international support, and completely destroyed iraq's infrastructure; he also disbanded the military and created a power vacuum which resulted in the violence and political unrest there. he chose american contractors to rebuild iraq, who then had to have american troops put in harm's way to protect them. worst of all, he condoned torture, which strengthened our enemies' resolve while weakening our standing in the world, our ability to bring terrorists to justice, and our american principles.
no matter the result of his wars, his mistakes cost the lives of countless americans, iraqis, and afghans. even if we accomplish the ends of establishing free democracies in the muslim world, it will not justify the means by which we achieved them.
where it says "he" above, read "his administration". we'll probably never know just who was responsible for what decisions during his presidency, but bush is ultimately responsible since he was the president who appointed them. the buck stops with him.
we'll see what happens if holder decides to prosecute, but other than that i think he will be viewed better over time; if only because people can't get much angrier with him than they are already.
His foreign aid policy was his one truly unqualified success of his presidency, and that is something he doesn't get nearly enough credit for. though if his approval rating was that high in africa, i wonder what obama's is.CmdrGoob said:
as for the wars, he shouldn't be judged on whether iraq and afghanistan become stable democracies. (venezuela is pretty socialist now so it probably isn't the best example.) i'm a flaming liberal but i readily accept that both wars were morally justified. the problem is that he did not conduct these wars in america's best interest. he acted on faulty intelligence, ignored the Weinberger/Powell doctrine, split the military between two fronts, unilaterally went to war in iraq without international support, and completely destroyed iraq's infrastructure; he also disbanded the military and created a power vacuum which resulted in the violence and political unrest there. he chose american contractors to rebuild iraq, who then had to have american troops put in harm's way to protect them. worst of all, he condoned torture, which strengthened our enemies' resolve while weakening our standing in the world, our ability to bring terrorists to justice, and our american principles.
no matter the result of his wars, his mistakes cost the lives of countless americans, iraqis, and afghans. even if we accomplish the ends of establishing free democracies in the muslim world, it will not justify the means by which we achieved them.
where it says "he" above, read "his administration". we'll probably never know just who was responsible for what decisions during his presidency, but bush is ultimately responsible since he was the president who appointed them. the buck stops with him.
As someone who cares deeply for all of the many species of life on earth, I am incredibly happy with George W. Bush. Just before he left office he put 500,000 square kilometres of ocean under protection. The Mariana Trench is now protected. My preference would have been if he put a limit on peoples use of electricity (70% of greenhouse gases emmisions) and did something real about global warming, which endangers all of the ocean anyway, but this is good nonetheless
Bush isn't totally to blame, his entire administration is.
I'm happy he's gone. Hopefully we'll never need to talk about him again.
I'm happy he's gone. Hopefully we'll never need to talk about him again.
I voted "The President who single-handedly ended the American Century.? But as an Australian I don't really have the knowledge to know exactly how bad he was in the US.
But he definitely brought to a close the image of America being the leader of the free world by invading Iraq, which was a war not supported by the UN. He also lost a lot of respect by not paying attention to human rights or civil liberties and the sanctioning of torture.
But he definitely brought to a close the image of America being the leader of the free world by invading Iraq, which was a war not supported by the UN. He also lost a lot of respect by not paying attention to human rights or civil liberties and the sanctioning of torture.