Poll: The Irish Condition

[anthony87]

I feel I should interject.

While the land may not legally be ours, it was in the first place and the English invaded. While most of this was resolved by the talks between Collins and the British fellows it still stands that it was ours before, was it legal to take it in the first place. Interesting that Britain has modern legal practices to fall back on when there wasn't any when they invaded.

While I don't agree with Furburt's methods it is part of the Island and it would be nice to all be united.

Don't take this the wrong way, I like the British, I wish I was Anglo-Irish sometimes.

This I can agree with. Not with Furball's Rambo ways with dealing with the gun.

One line answers and resorting to name calling?

I'm in awe of your arguementative skills...

 

[Immortalis_sp]

It's a bit too late for that since you so mentioned your hate for the British control of a land that is not even legally yours.

This is a bit odd, I've never had anyone refuse to tell me where they're from.

Noiron, there happy?

Oh, I see.

Right, well let me assure you that I have no hate for Ulster-Scots people in the North or the Free State as you call it in the south. As far as I'm concerned if it's elected by the majority of the Irish, it's the legitimate government. It's a stupid government in my opinion, but whatever.

My hatred for British rule is not just base nationalism, rather part of my overall hate for imperialism and triumphalism rule worldwide, be it English, American, Russian or Israeli.
Were Northern Ireland to become part of Ireland again, if it were my jurisdiction, it would retain it's own parliament and police force, but be totally independent of British rule and share the military of the Republic.

I have no problem taking a political route if it worked, but from what I can tell it doesn't seem to be. While I support the provisionals campaign, I don't support the RIRA or the CIRA, they're a bunch of aimless thugs in my opinion.

I'd have more respect for them if they had any coherent military strategy, but what they've got at the moment seems to be more 'Kill proddys Durrr' than anything else.
Sectarianism is an ugly thing, and it's the last thing I'd want.

Well, I think that's everything, if you have any further qualms, we should probably take it to PM's.

Sorry to the OP for derailing his topic.

EDIT: Not the best place for my 9000th post.

No, we have said enough on this issue. I for one am happy with the way things are. Would I want to be united with the South one day?. Maybe but thats an unstable future, catholics vs Protestant, brother against brother, no - none of that shit again. Have you lived in Belfast since the wars?. Do you know that everytime some nationalist prick decides to start trouble people die?.

We don't want what you want. The message here is simple, leave us alone and mind your own beesewax. It's why you have St.James Gate Dublin.

 

[FastFoot92]

What really annoys me about the whole thing is that the guy who was supposed to be in charge of the clear up is sunbathing in Spain. So the retard who was in charge decided to close the schools until Thursday, but like every politician has gone back on his word and now I'm too fucking tired from staying up till 5 to do anything in school /rant

Erm... Forgive me for playing devil's advocate, but isn't that your fault for staying up till 5?

Heh I suppose so. But my first instinct seems to always to blame somone else. Sjould probaly do something about that. Nah

This is actually the most talked about thing here in Dublin during our frezze spell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2tycWQBDb4

Which by the way is now effectivley over thanks to the rain(which seems to ruin everything here)

This slapstick man who looks a little like Ed Byrne has become the headline of the our national broadcaster

What really annoys me about the whole thing is that the guy who was supposed to be in charge of the clear up is sunbathing in Spain. So the retard who was in charge decided to close the schools until Thursday, but like every politician has gone back on his word and now I'm too fucking tired from staying up till 5 to do anything in school /rant

Anyway this thread is basically only for the Irish so everyone one else can go away.
Unless you want to make fun of our Politicans and pavements

Your right lets blame the weather on the government, come on get a little serious there are nough real problems with the government without blaming them for acts of nature. Nobody expected the cold snap to be this bad, every European country not used to it is suffering. What did you want the minister to do tell the snow to fuck off? If we had of had the kind of reserves for this kind of weather we would have been critising them for wasting money preping for such and unlikely event. Also you say your in school you do realise the more days your school is closed the more of your summer holidays is lost, also the problem isnt with the kids not being in school its the parents being forced to talk so much time off to mind them thats the problem.

You want to know whats wrong with the goverment? One word. NAMA. Keeping the status quo. Keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. Those asshole develepers fucked this shithole up and now we are literally paying their way out. And by the way I fucking hate the average selfish Irish dickhole but I don't beleive this country should go to hell. It's already there

 

[FastFoot92]

Icy pavements are no joke.A woman fell down in front of my school this morning and she broke her leg.

And today i fell and hurt my knee pretty badly.

Hey,i just posted in your thread without being Irish.And without making fun of your government and your pavements.

THEN YOU SHALL DIE!!

 

[Epitome]

Furburt I'm as green as they come I piss beer and bleed green, but Sinn Fein getting any kind of power at all in this country is up there with worst case scenarios for me. I understand why they have their policies , its just their policies are fucking bonkers. I know FF havent handled the whole recesson thing too well but look around the globe? Who the hell did? Shitstorms of the magnitude that came were unpredictable and Ireland is the worlds most open economy, which did us wonders when trade was flowing but now hurts us. Nobody complained when money poured into the country , global recession hits and everybody wants somebody to blame. Not saying there wasnt serious blame to be handed out,I just try and keep everything in perspective.

I complained when the money was flooding into the country!!! Anyone who was paying attention could see that the housing market had to collapse. If the global recession hadn't happened we'd've had a miniature one ourselves. Can't keep building houses when there aren't enough people in the country to live in them... So the money flooding in was a bad thing, cos all it was doing was fuelling a building industry on its way towards a collapse. If they'd been using it for something decent then I wouldn't've complained. But you ask anyone I went to school with and they'll tell you I saw this coming a mile off. Also, it did come to light after the recession that we're one of Europe's main tax havens and a centre for dodgy dealings, much like the Canary Islands. Go us!

As for being green, I voted for them in the last general election and feel massively let down. Not cos they went into government with Fianna Fáil, they didn't really have much of a shot at power otherwise, but because they've agreed with everything Fianna Fáil have said and done even when it goes against everything they stand for. I'll still support the Green Party as a whole, just not those in the party who are TDs.

As for Sinn Fein getting power, yes, it wouldn't be good for the country, and I'd certainly never give them my vote. Their policies are absolutely mental. But show me one party that's good for the country and I'll give you a medal. I maybe, just maybe will vote for Fine Gael next time round, but only if George Lee is the Minister for Finance.

And as for your point about Fianna Fáil handling the recession about as well as every other government I'll give you one acronym. NAMA. Nuff said.

Also, I'm not trying to start a fight with you. Your points were good and well made, just needed a little more revision.

Your right I should have clarified, I was refering to pre-2001 economic gain which was based on sensible policy FDI attraction etc we should have gone into post 9/11 recession like everybody else but some bright sparks decided to play with property. I feel a vote for Green would be a wasted because they will never get any real power and as you say will just play ***** in a coalition. That said I'm not sure what you would have expected them to do differantly? Which FF motions did the Greens support counter to their own policy? Not being a smartarse I actually didnt see them do much wrong bar standing next to teh bastards of the hour.
A vote for FG I can see where your coming from in the sense that they are not FF but policy wise I mean we are not going to get any sort of radical shift or reformation with a change to FG.
I should point out that I am in favour of NAMA as a solution, its a shit problem our banks have and there are no easy solutions to fix the problem. NAMA is just one of the least shit solutions. Which solution do you suggest we use if not NAMA?

 

[Epitome]

You want to know whats wrong with the goverment? One word. NAMA. Keeping the status quo. Keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. Those asshole develepers fucked this shithole up and now we are literally paying their way out. And by the way I fucking hate the average selfish Irish dickhole but I don't beleive this country should go to hell. It's already there

In what way does NAMA maintain the status quo? Those asshat developers took serious loans at a time when it made perfect sense, I'm not saying it was smart but alot of people got very rich doing it.Hindsight being 20/20 we can see what it did but they stopped us entering recession in 2002 and created a massive job sector for half a decade before the house of cards came tumbling. Its not like the developers are benefiting from NAMA anyway they are all bankrupts who will spend the rest of their lives paying off debt. It was the banks fault for lending them so much in the first place and failing to insure adequate protection against the kind of downturn we saw.

If we dont fix our bank problem rapidly though we are going to be in much more sht than we are now. Its already more expensive for us to borrow on international money markets and if our banks collapse it will be impossible. See how the poor like it when not even government assistance can be afforded and no potetial for job creation or recovery exists? what do you suggest we do about the banking crisis?

 

[FastFoot92]

You want to know whats wrong with the goverment? One word. NAMA. Keeping the status quo. Keeping the rich rich and the poor poor. Those asshole develepers fucked this shithole up and now we are literally paying their way out. And by the way I fucking hate the average selfish Irish dickhole but I don't beleive this country should go to hell. It's already there

In what way does NAMA maintain the status quo? Those asshat developers took serious loans at a time when it made perfect sense, I'm not saying it was smart but alot of people got very rich doing it.Hindsight being 20/20 we can see what it did but they stopped us entering recession in 2002 and created a massive job sector for half a decade before the house of cards came tumbling. Its not like the developers are benefiting from NAMA anyway they are all bankrupts who will spend the rest of their lives paying off debt. It was the banks fault for lending them so much in the first place and failing to insure adequate protection against the kind of downturn we saw.

If we dont fix our bank problem rapidly though we are going to be in much more sht than we are now. Its already more expensive for us to borrow on international money markets and if our banks collapse it will be impossible. See how the poor like it when not even government assistance can be afforded and no potetial for job creation or recovery exists? what do you suggest we do about the banking crisis?

Sooooo what we can gather from this is......

We're probably fucked?

 

[Epitome]

Sooooo what we can gather from this is......

We're probably fucked?

We are currently fucked, re the high unemployment, low consumer confidence etc Its getting unfucked thats the serious problem. NAMA is shit to be sure, but its the least shit of the available options. Thats the only reason I support it, something has to be done and of the list shit things to do that will help NAMA is the least bad for our country.

 

[Kazturkey]

I must try to kill Brian Cowen at some point.

We need us some Gerry Adams.

The dropoff is at the base of the spire, under the grating.

Don't leave any fingerprints, please.

 

[hippykiller]

well seeing as i don't own my own car its going to suck when i move to Dublin. but then again i could wait until the spring

 

[Kazturkey]

Also having family killed by a war does make you a bit bitter.

I've had family killed by British soldiers.

Quite a lot actually, come to think of it.

So I suppose I have a reason to be bitter too.

Conn Murphy was my great uncle and he was actually the first man in Ireland murdered by the Black and Tans.

So yeah I hate british imperialism too.

 

[FastFoot92]

Sooooo what we can gather from this is......

We're probably fucked?

We are currently fucked, re the high unemployment, low consumer confidence etc Its getting unfucked thats the serious problem. NAMA is shit to be sure, but its the least shit of the available options. Thats the only reason I support it, something has to be done and of the list shit things to do that will help NAMA is the least bad for our country.

Your a true patriot

 

[cynicalandbored]

Your right I should have clarified, I was refering to pre-2001 economic gain which was based on sensible policy FDI attraction etc we should have gone into post 9/11 recession like everybody else but some bright sparks decided to play with property. I feel a vote for Green would be a wasted because they will never get any real power and as you say will just play ***** in a coalition. That said I'm not sure what you would have expected them to do differantly? Which FF motions did the Greens support counter to their own policy? Not being a smartarse I actually didnt see them do much wrong bar standing next to teh bastards of the hour.
A vote for FG I can see where your coming from in the sense that they are not FF but policy wise I mean we are not going to get any sort of radical shift or reformation with a change to FG.
I should point out that I am in favour of NAMA as a solution, its a shit problem our banks have and there are no easy solutions to fix the problem. NAMA is just one of the least shit solutions. Which solution do you suggest we use if not NAMA?

As the Greens go, they didn't manage to implement ANY of their own policies, and were brought out as the spokespeople for any unpopular policy that FF had decided to implement. And as the one example I can think of off-hand, the most recent carbon tax, strangely enough, runs contrary to Green policy. They said that a carbon tax would only be put in place if suitable public transport infrastructure, alternative energy supplies, etc were in effect. As the tax stands now it's an excise duty, because the majority of the people in the country have no alternative but to use their cars to get to wherever they want to go as public transport's a joke. Just one example of Greens suddenly supporting something they were previously opposed to.

And I don't support FG. I only want them because George Lee seems to have been one of the only economists in the country who rather outspokenly warned of this recession a good seven or eight years before it happened, and it happened exactly as he'd said. It'll take someone who understood what got us into this mess to get us out.

And as for NAMA, I don't think bailing out the banks, property developers and speculators (ie the people who caused the problems) public money based on a total amount that the land might possibly be worth in five years time if the economy is back on track is a sensible idea. They just picked a random amount of cash to throw at the problem and they're hoping it'll go away, and in the process have saddled you, me, and possibly two or three generations to come with a massive debt that we had no hand in causing. Aside from the fact that the housing market CAN'T get back to where it was because there aren't enough people in the country to buy the empty houses.

As an alternative to NAMA, George Lee had an excellent plan that I can't quite remember the details of, but the FF government dismissed because it was "magic." As opposed to their plan, which was based on the solid science of precognition in the property market. Sorry I can't remember the actual plan, but I do remember it made a lot of sense.

 

[DragonsAteMyMarbles]

And here I was hoping the "Irish condition" would be a euphemism for drunkenness. Kind of like the "Scottish play".

 

[DuplicateValue]

Yeah I've seen funny falls....that's wasn't one.

It was funny because it was unexpected and happened on the news.

That's a sad reflection on how boring our news is...

 

[FastFoot92]

And here I was hoping the "Irish condition" would be a euphemism for drunkenness. Kind of like the "Scottish play".

People say i should become a tabloid journilst for that decitful skill

 

[Jamash]

Yeah I've seen funny falls....that's wasn't one.

It was funny because it was unexpected and happened on the news.

That's a sad reflection on how boring our news is...

I laughed at first, but then when I replayed and watched it more carefully I realised it wasn't that funny.

Did you see (and hear!) how he banged his head and face on the floor? That's the kind of fall people die from, if not immediately then a few hours later.

I sincerely hope that guy got himself checked out at the hospital and is all right. Does anyone from Ireland know if their was a follow up story and if that guy is OK?