Poll: The next fail in gaming

[LordOrin]

actually the next fail in gamin is going to be when apple decides to make a game console

Actually that already happened. It was called The Pipp!n, and it was indeed all sorts of fail.

 

[Continuity]

actually the next fail in gamin is going to be when apple decides to make a game console

*shudder*

OT: The next fail in gaming is here, all three console makes will fail big time because they've lost touch with the enthusiast gamer base, and the nu-gamer is starting to (a) get tired of gimiks (b) look for more depth.

So I predict FAIL all round.

including the PC market as developers are pretty much crapping all over that.

 

[Aedrial]

Sony ever stopped failing?

Hmm I think the screen in the controller thing is gonna bomb hard. Though Nintendo being Nintendo they will make us look like jackasses and manage to pull it off. So whoever manages to churn out a copy of it fastest out of Sony or MS.

So uhhhh... Sony has actually had a fairly good history with consoles?

OT: To most of the people I see walking around the Wii is to gaming as butter is to bread... so unless the price makes the console inaccessible I can't see them failing... or the other two really...

 

[Korolev]

Who knows at this point? The WiiU is the only one announced and we still barely know anything about it other than the new controller. At this point, no one can logically deduce which next console will succeed or fail.

 

[00slash00]

Nintendo is the wrong answer. They have both the casual and hardcore markets on lock. The casual folks like silly gimmicks, and when that market dries up, they always have Zelda and friends in their back pocket. They can't lose at this point. Making games has been their only job since 1974. They do it pretty damn well.

i feel like the casual market will depend highly on the price. for people who are purely casual gamers i feel like it will be tougher to convince them to buy a new console if they already enjoy their wii. as for the hardcore gamers, im not so sure. i mean, i dont think anyone would consider games like zelda or mario to be hardcore. i dont know all the games nintendo has announced but what exclusive titles does the wii u have that would be considered hardcore?

my biggest problem with the wii u is that they seem to be putting too much focus on the controller. thats the problem i had with the wii, it seemed like they cared more about the controller than the games. nintendo used to focus only on gameplay but in recent years it seems like their main concern is being different

 

[Rhade Adama]

I think Nintendo is in for a long, hard road if they think they can get back to competing with Sony or Microsoft for the the more than causal gamers. They lost me at the Wii. They won't be getting me back for the Wii U either. I used to look forward to the next Mario and Zelda titles. Now I really couldn't care less. It feels like Nintendo lost their creativity and drive. It doesn't look like it's coming back anytime soon.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

Well that'd be really fucking relevant if what I was talking about was what games you like and don't like and not, for example, about what I was actually fucking talking about.

My initial response was to your first post:

Sony failed with their current console. As much as I hope their next one will be better, I don't wish for bad games no one does, but the only thing that even kept the PS3 afloat was the massive third party library of games, and the PS3 and PS4 simple doesn't/wont have that with current gen graphics and the like. I love their indie selection on PSN, but if I had to guess I would say I think the PS4 is going to fail.

That first post had nothing to do with sales and what kept Sony afloat was their 1st party games as Microsoft got out of the gate first and had several early 3rd party exclusives, and the PS3 got several games like Bioshock and Eternal Sonata a year or so later. Gamers knew the franchises that would soon be coming to the PS3 during the "PS3 has no games" year. And, publishers know that there is really no reason to go platform exclusive, it just makes financial sense to go multiplatform unless Sony or MS send a truck full of money to you. Sony is pumping out the quality games faster than both Nintendo and Microsoft. Microsoft had pretty much nothing to show at E3 except, hey, we doing another Halo trilogy.

 

[Raeil]

I agreed with someone on the first page. If Apple decides to make a dedicated gaming system, I'm predicting them failing. I don't think the big 3 will be failing for at least two gens. Microsoft and Sony will likely stay afloat because of the capital behind the system and the exclusives, respectively. Nintendo has the casual market completely wrapped up, and the new system will also appeal to hardcore gamers, both of whom will likely get the console.

Yes, I realize a lot of you here won't be getting the Nintendo console, but there is a vast number of people out here who were waiting for Nintendo to have a competitive hardcore console. Now we're getting it, and we will buy it in droves.

 

[Who Dares Wins]

Nintendo has a pretty good track record of failing. At least I had a good run with NES thru N64.

What are you talking about, their only "fails" are the Virtual Boy and the Gamecube, everything else was crazy successful.

When 99.9% of all your third-party titles sell 2 million copies or less, you're doing it wrong. And/or have no real third-party support.

Third party support isn't necessary when first party titles are incredibly good. And I don't think having consoles and games that are the best selling in the world, is doing it wrong.

OT: I voted Microsoft and I think the majority of their next console is going to be bought on impulse, but other than that, it will suck. I mean, the 360 doesn't stand out in any way, I haven't seen any indication that it's going to change.

 

[Macrobstar]

Sony failed with their current console. As much as I hope their next one will be better, I don't wish for bad games no one does, but the only thing that even kept the PS3 afloat was the massive third party library of games, and the PS3 and PS4 simple doesn't/wont have that with current gen graphics and the like. I love their indie selection on PSN, but if I had to guess I would say I think the PS4 is going to fail.

waait how did sony fail with the ps3 the ps3 is a great machine
haters gonna hate

OT:
Microsoft needs to stop focusing on the kinect if they stop they will not fail but if they don't they will fail

Periods, mother fucker, do you use them!?

Great machine or not (by the way I love the object and factually supported argument there) the numbers don't lie. The PS3 is at the bottom of the poles because it lacked what carried the PS2: third party support. With current gen consoles the PS3 doesn't have the massive library the PS2 had because not all third party developers can afford current gen graphics, which is why most of them moved over to the Wii. The downsides of upping the graphics bar.

Since the PS4 is probably only going to get more convoluted, they are going to lose even more third party support, and I predict that is what's going to make them fail again. That and they made the Vita AT&T exclusive, which killed that system before he even got to the price point.

Out of the big three I say the PS3 has the most quality exclusives, third party or not

 

[wfpdk]

nintendo has not made a win since smash bros 64, which is just taking charaters we already know and puting them in a genaric fighting game. i doubt they will sudenly decide to make another franchise that's worth a damn.

 

[Casual Shinji]

For some reason I see all three of them failing the next generation, it's just that Nintendo is the first one out of the gate with there fail.

 

[Pearwood]

Probably Microsoft if the launch issues the 360 had will show up again. Sony and Nintendo are both pretty safe. Sony have been making electronics for ages, Nintendo is the oldest of the three in making game consoles, they're both pretty safe bets.

 

[Pearwood]

AT&T fiasco?

AT&T is an American company, the Vita will be released worldwide.

 

[Pearwood]

And yet the Vita is running on AT&T exclusively. Did you think I didn't realize the American company thing? Cuz I did say I thought the Vita would fail, because it's running on AT&T exclusively, and the Vita will be released world wide...

Is anyone else getting this yet, or is it still just me?

I would assume it's running on AT&T exclusively in America, I can't see Sony selling a license for worldwide 3G rights to their console to one company who only operate in America.

 

[Vault101]

PC......when it DIES

hahaha Im kidding really

 

[Pearwood]

Considering they showed off the price point for the Vita in three different monetary values, you'd think they'd have been smart enough to point out what other networks their new system would run on. So either Sony is dumb for neglecting their international audience, or is extra dumb for fucking over international consumers by giving them a system they can't go online with unless they shill out for a plane ticket states side.

I'd have thought that implies the Vita isn't exclusive to one company in other countries. Sony are smarter than advertising a feature that only works in one country, especially a country they aren't even based in.

 

[Phoenixmgs_v1legacy]

My first post was about how the PS2 had a bunch of third party support to bolster their sales rates, while PS3 did not, which is why it is failing, natch. It has everything to do with raw, black and white sales numbers, which you seem to be intentionally avoiding for some reason.

Your definition of quality games is clearly skewed if you thought MAG was any good. Not that you aren't entitled to your opinion, I simply suggest you actually back up your inane statements with actual facts instead of fanboy head bangery.

The PS3 without a doubt launched more poorly than the PS2 (I bought a launch PS2 but not launch PS3). The PS2 was just so ridiculously dominant though.

I don't think I'd consider the PS3 to be failing, not performing as well as expected? Yeah, definitely. The PS3 is very close, if not ahead, of the 360 in worldwide sales. The PS3 has made up a lot of ground. I remember reading not too long ago that the PS3 was close to turning a profit. Even if the PS3 hasn't turned a profit hardware-wise, software-wise it has. Now the 360 has probably done better, but that RROD issue has to be a huge dent in Microsoft's profit making that Microsoft isn't going to publicly disclose. The RROD issue was very serious, quite a decent percentage of 360 users haven't gotten 3+ consoles from Microsoft (I personally know several people that have), that has to very costly. There's no question Nintendo completely curbed stomped both Sony and MS in making money this gen.

Concerning MAG, name me another console FPS without health regen, without 1 button nading, without moving spawns, and an emphasis on teamwork. You can't because there's no other FPS that fits those criteria. That's why I like MAG. It's fine if you don't like MAG, Sony offers Killzone and Resistance as FPS exclusives as well. What if I don't like Halo and Gears, Microsoft really isn't offering anything else. Sony has 1st party games for everyone, Nintendo and Microsoft don't.

The PS3, as a console, has offered its customers more value than both the Wii and 360. That's why I say the PS3 is the best console. The PS3 has more games, free online, and better hardware (Yes, I'm aware of the YLOD issue, I experienced it). Sony was smart using Blu-ray, a built-in hard drive (remember, not all 360s have a HD, devs can't use it on a mandatory basis), using bluetooth (for controllers and headsets), built-in wireless (it was quite awhile before the 360 got it), and HDMI and optical audio out.

And, Microsoft is supposed to be the BEST in online gaming right? Then, why the fuck does Microsoft run NO DEDICATED SERVERS. I can play Metal Gear Online, MAG, Warhawk, Killzone, and probably a few other PS3 games on dedicated servers. I can't play anything on the 360 on dedicated servers. Also, if Metal Gear Online (my favorite online shooter) was exclusive to the 360, I'd have to pay Microsoft $60/year to play it when it's fucking Konami that's running the dedicated servers, I'd pay Konami money to play Metal Gear Online but not Sony or Microsoft as they have literally no hand in it.

The PS3 is nowhere near the failings of the N64, Gamecube, Dreamcast, or original Xbox. The PS3 has underperformed for Sony but it's not nearly the failure you're making it out to be.

 

[Vern]

Nintendo. Their next console is going to be slightly more powerful than the Xbox 360 and the PS3, but not powerful enough to beat the next generation. It's the same wall the Dreamcast ran into. The Dreamcast was better than the N64 and the PS1 by far, but once the PS2, the Xbox, and the Gamecube came out it was doomed. They're releasing too early with hardware they should've had five years ago.

 

[Liudeius]

Nintendo. Gimmicks and shovelware and the like, although they remain too big an image in the mind of the uninformed to fail in my opinion.

I really hope they do because although they have a few good titles, they could just do what other failed console developers did and focus on making those games for the consoles of other companies.