Poll: The Raping Game (Rapelay)

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Free speech is one thing but bloody hell this is surely over the line.

A line that's purely subjective. Free speech protects unpopular speech. You don't need free speech for things that don't cross "the line".

Like how violent video games dont let you kill children.

A few do. I think. Although there are movies where children are killed and nobody cares.

There's a difference between burning books and disallowing something abhorrent within your community (in this case a country)

There is very little difference at all. You burn books because you don't want those books in your community.

I love how you convientiently ignored the rest of my post which went on to explain it isn't like 'burning books' becuase it still would be in existence it would just be disallowed within the community.

Yeah same with those books you're burning.

that means that the books will be wiped from all human memory, it's not it still exists in Japan. So it's not like burning books. There should be the freedom to decide what you expose people to aswell surely. That's why we have systems to disallow certain films ratings like The Human Centipede 2, because some things are so abhorrent.

 

[freat]

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

Free speech is one thing but bloody hell this is surely over the line.

A line that's purely subjective. Free speech protects unpopular speech. You don't need free speech for things that don't cross "the line".

Like how violent video games dont let you kill children.

A few do. I think. Although there are movies where children are killed and nobody cares.

There's a difference between burning books and disallowing something abhorrent within your community (in this case a country)

There is very little difference at all. You burn books because you don't want those books in your community.

I love how you convientiently ignored the rest of my post which went on to explain it isn't like 'burning books' becuase it still would be in existence it would just be disallowed within the community.

Yeah same with those books you're burning.

that means that the books will be wiped from all human memory, it's not it still exists in Japan. So it's not like burning books.

It is. Those books will still exist outside of Germany or wherever it is you're burning.

Why shouldnt people have the freedom to decide what they allow into thier community? If your just going to scream burning books at me as an argument without even looking at the subject matter then I can only assume that your not taking this very seriously.

 

[Luisen123]

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

 

[CarlMin]

Free speech is one thing but bloody hell this is surely over the line.

A line that's purely subjective. Free speech protects unpopular speech. You don't need free speech for things that don't cross "the line".

No, free speech was originally supposed to assure that all sorts of political opinions can be stated no matter how controversial they might be - a cornerstone in democracy, (this may not include hatespeech)

Holy immediate contradiction batman. Hatespeech sometimes is a political opinion and yes it is controversial.

And you are wrong, if they wanted to only protect political writings they would've said so. Instead they put "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech"

See that: "no law".

Ehm, no that is not the legal definition of free speech. It's "The right to express any opinion in public without censorship or restraint by the government" / The American Heritage

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/free+speech

Also, I'm not contradicting myself. The point is that all opinions should be uttered no matter how controversial they are. If you think hate speech is forbidden simply because it's "controversial" that only proves how absolutely out of touch with reality you have become. It's forbidden because it often promotes violence against certain groups in society and is therefore directly harmful. Not only because it's controversial.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

Then why is it a problem that some people don't want it in thier country?

It's forbidden because it often promotes violence against certain groups in society and is therefore directly harmful.

Like vulnerable young women?

I guess women aren't counted as an important enough group.

 

[CarlMin]

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

Why would that make a difference?

 

[Luisen123]

Then why is it a problem that some people don't want it in thier country?

Because I have the right to decide whether I want to play a game, this is not the government decision. If I want to play a game where I "rape" virtual and non-existant character, then by my rights I am going to do it.

If you don't like it, don't play. Society shouldn't be affected by the selfish decisions of a few.

 

[freat]

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

Why would that make a difference?

Yes
Japanese culture is COMPLETELY different from anywhere else, you probably think the only difference is they have anime rather than cartoons.

Xenophobia
Fucked up fetishes
and where killing yourself was considered honourable

yes it does make a difference

 

[freat]

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

Then why is it a problem that some people don't want it in thier country?

People are saying they want it banned EVERYWHERE not just their country, the problem is they don't want it in other countries

 

[Seventh Actuality]

It's rape porn. Rape porn exists in book, film and comic form and always has, mostly legally and without causing a firestorm like RapeLay did. So, whether rape porn should be banned is up for debate, but singling out RapeLay for a ban would be discrimination based on medium and set a precedent for video games not getting the same freedom of speech protections as other media.

the difference is that those media aren't interactive. there's a difference between freedom of speech and encouraging people to engage in a horrible crime that ruins lives

Every medium is different. You could argue that film shouldn't get to portray things literature does because it provides a graphic depiction as opposed to just words, and with video games the magic word "interactive" gets trotted out every time to say, "yes, but this is different!" with no further elaboration needed.

 

[NightlyNews]

XD I'm a woman and I say keep it legal. Why? Because it's a fetish game, just like any other sexual roleplay that already exists. Let's face it, rape is a fetish for a lot of people. I'd rather those who entertain those thoughts to have an outlet rather than go crazy and ACTUALLY rape someone. As long as we aren't giving kids access, what is the harm?

I'm stupidly free speech and voted for this to be legal in the poll.

But, at the same time I'm torn. I honestly believe that "living out" a rape fantasy wouldn't cause someone to be less likely to do it in real life. I'm no psychology nut or anything, but generally serial killers find it easier and easier to kill after their first murder.

I'm afraid this might be easing them into it *squick.

That's what they said about GTA and murder.

This is hentai so all of it is cartoony, so I'm not worried.

I believe there's a difference between the motivations between someone who buys a rape or sim and someone who buys a game that has murder or rape in it.

Not saying we should censor it. If there was a game where a kid was just on a table and the entire thing was just cutting them up ... That game would only be bought by people who have the desire to murder. I'm not sure if it would increase their chance to do so, but at that point you have to wonder if something like that is harming anyone.

Also, anyone owning a slicing up people sim would seem like a suspect to any murder that happens within a square mile.

A slicing people up sim?

You mean like this

(It's a surgery game in case you can't tell).

I don't think games like that would only be bought by people with a real life desire to do so, but that's just me.

Thats not a sim it's a game. No one bought that game thinking sweet I get to slice people up. They were thinking how the hell are they going to make being a doctor fun The answer is apparently stupid minigames.

I don't know of any real examples of a sadistic murder sim.

 

[CarlMin]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

Horrible is subjective

You may find it horrible, other people don't. I betcha there are some things you like that other people find horrible.

Wait WHAT? Raping people, stalking children IS horrible by all possible definitions. There is no way around it, and nobody with anything comparable to moral would say anything different. Maybe he has some kink that a lot of people find disgusting, yes, but if it's not extremely unethical it's not comparable to this.

No offense mate but your logic just doesn't make any sense to me

I think you have been misinformed, there are no children in this game, unless you count 17 a child (not quite an adult but certainly not a child). and there isn't anything to do with stalking in this game, it's an opening cut scene then just choose girl>choose location>have sex

From the OP: "stalker/rapist/pedophile of a family which consists of a mother and her 2 daughter"

Also, thanks for doing me the honor of giving me your second comment on this site.

The OP probably saw the Wikipedia article and started assuming things. But I bet you didn't think he could be bias now did you?
Now are you going to trust his word, or my word?
And considering I have played this game I think it should be obvious

and no problem

The wikipedia article refers to sources. Are you saying that these sources are inaccurate or what?

And how you can defend the content of this game is beyond.

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

Why would that make a difference?

Yes
Japanese culture is COMPLETELY different from anywhere else, you probably think the only difference is they have anime rather than cartoons.

Xenophobia
Fucked up fetishes
and where killing yourself was considered honourable

yes it does make a difference

I didn't asked whether it makes a difference. I asked WHY it makes a difference, because in my eyes, it really doesn't. I don't care what culture Japan has, wrong is wrong.

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

Horrible is subjective

You may find it horrible, other people don't. I betcha there are some things you like that other people find horrible.

Wait WHAT? Raping people, stalking children IS horrible by all possible definitions.

As is murder and yet we love GTA. We're talking about a game not the real life acts.

Nothing we do to pixels or cartoon characters can ever be immoral so it all comes down to taste which is pretty subjective.

Well, you really didn't answer my question. You just came with a comparison in order to point some kind of constriction. But one thing doesn't justify another, and saying that we have games where violence and killing is a vital part of the gameplay doesn't justify this game.

Besides, there is actually a pretty huge difference. When playing, like, Counter-strike for example, the player normally enjoys the competition. Other violent video games are often centered around graphics and plots, rather than just the violence itself.

THIS GAME, however, is meant for players that derive pleasure from the idea of someone being raped and violated. I don't know what kind of closet psychopaths would get sexually aroused y the idea of humiliating and dominating someone like this. It's barely comparable to "normal" video games violence.

 

[freat]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

Horrible is subjective

You may find it horrible, other people don't. I betcha there are some things you like that other people find horrible.

Wait WHAT? Raping people, stalking children IS horrible by all possible definitions. There is no way around it, and nobody with anything comparable to moral would say anything different. Maybe he has some kink that a lot of people find disgusting, yes, but if it's not extremely unethical it's not comparable to this.

No offense mate but your logic just doesn't make any sense to me

I think you have been misinformed, there are no children in this game, unless you count 17 a child (not quite an adult but certainly not a child). and there isn't anything to do with stalking in this game, it's an opening cut scene then just choose girl>choose location>have sex

From the OP: "stalker/rapist/pedophile of a family which consists of a mother and her 2 daughter"

Also, thanks for doing me the honor of giving me your second comment on this site.

The OP probably saw the Wikipedia article and started assuming things. But I bet you didn't think he could be bias now did you?
Now are you going to trust his word, or my word?
And considering I have played this game I think it should be obvious

and no problem

The wikipedia article refers to sources. Are you saying that these sources are inaccurate or what?

And how you can defend the content of this game is beyond.

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

I didn't asked whether it makes a difference. I asked WHY it makes a difference, because in my eyes, it really doesn't. I don't care what culture Japan has, wrong is wrong.

>wrong is wrong
>"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"

I can't be bothered to quote but for the person asking about a murder sim;
Murder is worse than rape
Rapelay is't a rape simulator it's a shitty H game meant for the enjoy meant of a few people
The name was probably tacked on to make controversy
Oh look what has it done

 

[Luisen123]

It does make a difference because on their culture, rape is perceived differently. Saying it's wrong this being depicted on a game is nothing but your moral opinion and does not reflect that of society as a whole.

 

[CarlMin]

freedom of speech is one thing. this is horrible. all there is to it

Horrible is subjective

You may find it horrible, other people don't. I betcha there are some things you like that other people find horrible.

Wait WHAT? Raping people, stalking children IS horrible by all possible definitions. There is no way around it, and nobody with anything comparable to moral would say anything different. Maybe he has some kink that a lot of people find disgusting, yes, but if it's not extremely unethical it's not comparable to this.

No offense mate but your logic just doesn't make any sense to me

I think you have been misinformed, there are no children in this game, unless you count 17 a child (not quite an adult but certainly not a child). and there isn't anything to do with stalking in this game, it's an opening cut scene then just choose girl>choose location>have sex

From the OP: "stalker/rapist/pedophile of a family which consists of a mother and her 2 daughter"

Also, thanks for doing me the honor of giving me your second comment on this site.

The OP probably saw the Wikipedia article and started assuming things. But I bet you didn't think he could be bias now did you?
Now are you going to trust his word, or my word?
And considering I have played this game I think it should be obvious

and no problem

The wikipedia article refers to sources. Are you saying that these sources are inaccurate or what?

And how you can defend the content of this game is beyond.

You sound American
"RAPE IS WORSE THAN MURDER"
"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"
This game is probably more tame than CoD murdering innocent civilians

And they don't seem to realize that it wasn't made for them, but for a niche Japanese market.

I didn't asked whether it makes a difference. I asked WHY it makes a difference, because in my eyes, it really doesn't. I don't care what culture Japan has, wrong is wrong.

>wrong is wrong
>"YOU WILL TAKE MY MORALS AND LAWS AND YOU WILL LIKE THEM"

I can't be bothered to quote but for the person asking about a murder sim;
Murder is worse than rape
Rapelay is't a rape simulator it's a shitty H game meant for the enjoy meant of a few people
The name was probably tacked on to make controversy
Oh look what has it done

You will take intentional agreements regarding laws, given morals, and implement them or face the consequences.

Also:
Raping someone is often almost as terrible. The victim is often traumatized and develops post traumatic stress, have to endure a life of constant psychological torture. That we can even discuss this topic (even though it's fictional) only proves how absolutely permeated with subhuman moral our society has become. Or always has been.

I say this, at least show some goddamn decency, people.

 

[freat]

It does make a difference because on their culture, rape is perceived differently. Saying it's wrong this being depicted on a game is nothing but your moral opinion and does not reflect that of society as a whole.

LOGIC
/brofist

 

[CarlMin]

It does make a difference because on their culture, rape is perceived differently. Saying it's wrong this being depicted on a game is nothing but your moral opinion and does not reflect that of society as a whole.

You honestly don't think that society as a whole wouldn't have the same moral opinion about this game?

Yeah, I think most people in society would agree with me on this one.