Poll: The Raping Game (Rapelay)
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But that's like saying that ANYONE who plays a shooter will want to go and actually kill someone. I'm pretty sure most of us have played them before and I doubt all gamers are mass murderers.NightlyNews said:
My idea here is towards the game, you're naive if you think that nobody has a rape fantasy, even women themselves have rape fantasies, this is where the game stands, it's nothing but a fantasy, it's a game made for people with rape fantasies.CarlMinez said:
Never did I imply that rape wasn't morally wrong but a rape fantasy is not morally wrong. If I want to play a game where I can fulfill my rape fantasy, I have the right to do so, the government is not there to decide what's it's right or wrong for me, that's for each person to decide and this is what I meant when I said your moral opinion doesn't reflect that of the society.
It effects me if some guy decides to come and rape me as a result of it? No? Thta won't necessarily happen but I think murder and rape are two seperate psychologies and we should be extremely careful about this kind of interactive medium.Father Time said:
The current Extra Credits talks about the role of the player in games and how it's different from that in books and film.
Perhaps it would be better to test this game before we decide to see if it has a dangerous effect or not.
The content is immoral. It appeal to people most diagnostic criteria would probably define as antisocially disordered. And it's marketed like entertainment. That, sir, is immoral. And I doubt you will find much people that would tell you otherwise.Father Time said:
Yeah, you might have a few friends that share your skewed philosophy or have rape fantasies of their own, but I think that any adult, mature or educated person will give you the same answer I did.
From my own experience, rape is worse than violence.Father Time said:
I'm not qualified to do that, my degrees are in IT and History not psychology. I'm sure it would be an interesting project for someone though.Father Time said:
Let's assume you're correct and it's all morally wrong, correct? So what of it? The game won't make it acceptable, it probably sold less than 10,000 copies because it's a niche game and a porn game at that? Do you seriously believe that could have such an impact on society?CarlMinez said:
And like I said, this is about it being banned, and as a citizen of a modern democracy, I have the right to decide not the government, regardless of the moral content of the product.
Psychopath is not diagnostic criteria anymore. Psychopathic behavior is layman term used to describe people that show little to no empathy. Currently, neither psychopathy nor sociopathy are valid diagnoses described in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders,[2] and the ICD-10 of the World Health Organization also lacks psychopathy as a diagnostic disorder.Father Time said:
However, antisocial personality disorder is a real condition which is very fucking often a diagnose given to sexual criminals and people with similar sadistic tendencies. There's a link according to the psychological community.
I was speaking of only sadism. Not sadomasochism. Either you don't know the difference or you just created a straw-man argument.
I'm going to quote clinical psychologist Hedwig Eisenbarth, researcher in Sexual Sadism and Psychopathy at the University of Regensburg:
"Sexual Sadism, according to DSM-IV is a disorder that belongs to the paraphilias. That is, it is a disorder that is based on deviant sexual interest, in this case the sexual interest in seeing, hearing or making others suffer from physical and / or psychic pain or from humiliation. It is to be distinguished from Sadism as a personality trait and from Sadomasochism, which combines Sadism and Masochism."
Fictional characters? Now you are confusing morals with ethics. It's not unethical because it doesn't directly harm anyone (even though many psychologists think that it might encourage antisocial behavior), but it can still be considered immoral.Father Time said:
No of course not. Stealing someone's wallet is not as bad as raping someone thus mentally damaging that individual for life.Luisen123 said:
You are just returning to the old murder and rape is equally bad argument to defend your point, but that's argument is irrelevant to begin with as one thing doesn't justify another. And it could very well be argued that murder isn't worse than rape. But that's aside the point.
Where did 1000 men come into it? what about 1 woman getting beaten over 1 women getting raped.Luisen123 said:
Personally I'd take the beating every time.
Okay, you make a pretty sound argument. But the question here is not whether this game in particular could make a lot of damage. The question was whether it's wrong and I think it is and I think it should be outlawed due to those principles.Luisen123 said:
So what if you think it's wrong? Everyone could think it's wrong but the company has all the right to publish the game due to freedom of speech.CarlMinez said:
I have the right to decide if I want to play it, just as you have the right to claim here that it is morally wrong.
First of all, I would like to say hello to all Escapists, I've been lurking for a couple of years now (since 15/10/08), but this subject has incensed me to come out of the woodwork and into public view. I'd like to request that people consider the effect that quoting quotes without thought has on the readability of the thread.
OT: I first experienced Hentai games in the very early 1990s, before i could even speak English in the form of Knights of Xentar, a role playing game that occasionally has images of half naked women, some in the process of, or just after, being raped/ sexually assaulted. In part this was a plot device to justify the protagonist's quest, but mainly I feel that the images were used to stimulate interest in the game, which definitely worked for me.
Many years later when I decided to rediscover the game, Illusion popped up as a maker of high quality 3d Hentai games, so I downloaded and played Artificial girl 3, (quite fun, i might add) from there my hoarding nature implored me to download every single game that Illusion has ever produced, so I believe I'm in a position to comment.
I've played Rapelay, but I haven't completed it, since I prefer the sandbox style AG games.
The game contains images that are generic across the Hentai genre, in fact there are far more 'rapey' and graphic Japanese products out there, (Pineapple studios and Teatime games are examples of producers that I can think of immediately).
Bottom line;
Yes, it depicts sexual assault, however there are other products that have done this earlier and more potently. A percentage of the population across the planet roleplay these simulations in their own homes on a daily basis.
Yes, it depicts a family of a woman and her two daughters, but all three are over the age of consent. (Keep in mind that Japan is one of the two top sources of ACTUAL child pornography, the other being Russia, because until recently it was legal in both countries, i.e. no age of consent)
Yes, it depicts an act that is illegal but so do nine out of ten games.
The list of games that permit and/or promote illegal and antisocial activities is almost as long as the list of all games ever made. (Manhunt, Painkiller, Elder Scrolls, EVE Online, World of Warcraft, Thief, Tomb Raider, Fable, Madworld, Dragon Age, Hitman, Assassin?s creed, GTA, Bulletstorm, Viva Pinata, RTS games promote genocide)
This is not a product for sexual deviants, porn simulating incest, bestiality, necrophilia, abuse of privileged position, coercing minors, can all be found within 30 seconds of you reading this if you were so inclined, unless you consider consumers of pornography deviants (in which case, check your stats, it?s a significant minority, if not the majority.) Also actual depictions of aforementioned acts can also be found just as quickly.
Without having experienced the game, you are in as much a position to comment as is a movie critic who hasn?t seen the movie, or a food critic who hasn?t stepped into a restaurant. I ask you, how much weight would you put behind the words of a game critic who listens to all the hype about a game, believes it and then dismisses it out of hand, or worse, froths at the bit, neighing for a product to be banned?
OT: I first experienced Hentai games in the very early 1990s, before i could even speak English in the form of Knights of Xentar, a role playing game that occasionally has images of half naked women, some in the process of, or just after, being raped/ sexually assaulted. In part this was a plot device to justify the protagonist's quest, but mainly I feel that the images were used to stimulate interest in the game, which definitely worked for me.
Many years later when I decided to rediscover the game, Illusion popped up as a maker of high quality 3d Hentai games, so I downloaded and played Artificial girl 3, (quite fun, i might add) from there my hoarding nature implored me to download every single game that Illusion has ever produced, so I believe I'm in a position to comment.
I've played Rapelay, but I haven't completed it, since I prefer the sandbox style AG games.
The game contains images that are generic across the Hentai genre, in fact there are far more 'rapey' and graphic Japanese products out there, (Pineapple studios and Teatime games are examples of producers that I can think of immediately).
Bottom line;
Yes, it depicts sexual assault, however there are other products that have done this earlier and more potently. A percentage of the population across the planet roleplay these simulations in their own homes on a daily basis.
Yes, it depicts a family of a woman and her two daughters, but all three are over the age of consent. (Keep in mind that Japan is one of the two top sources of ACTUAL child pornography, the other being Russia, because until recently it was legal in both countries, i.e. no age of consent)
Yes, it depicts an act that is illegal but so do nine out of ten games.
The list of games that permit and/or promote illegal and antisocial activities is almost as long as the list of all games ever made. (Manhunt, Painkiller, Elder Scrolls, EVE Online, World of Warcraft, Thief, Tomb Raider, Fable, Madworld, Dragon Age, Hitman, Assassin?s creed, GTA, Bulletstorm, Viva Pinata, RTS games promote genocide)
This is not a product for sexual deviants, porn simulating incest, bestiality, necrophilia, abuse of privileged position, coercing minors, can all be found within 30 seconds of you reading this if you were so inclined, unless you consider consumers of pornography deviants (in which case, check your stats, it?s a significant minority, if not the majority.) Also actual depictions of aforementioned acts can also be found just as quickly.
Without having experienced the game, you are in as much a position to comment as is a movie critic who hasn?t seen the movie, or a food critic who hasn?t stepped into a restaurant. I ask you, how much weight would you put behind the words of a game critic who listens to all the hype about a game, believes it and then dismisses it out of hand, or worse, froths at the bit, neighing for a product to be banned?
Yeah, I know it's a flaw. Unfortunately, it's physically impossible for us to accurately calculate non-reported rapes. For all we know, America could have the highest number of non-reported rapes, too. It's just assumptions based on culture.Generic Gamer said:
And unfortunately, once you OK banning one thing, you OK banning. It's illegal in some countries to paint a religion in a bad light. There goes a bunch of games out the window. It's illegal to murder pretty much everywhere. There goes the bulk of video games.
Just because you find something more deplorable (I guess that raping people is more horrifying than mowing down an entire country's worth of humans) doesn't mean that it's more deserving of a ban.