Poll: the supernatural

[captainwillies]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

your just like my friend. Just because you can't prove it means it's not there or it doesn't exist. That's why he clams he's atheist.

So here's a question. For something that is there and you can physically see it but we can never figure it out. What does that mean to you?

But there are no things you (really) see and "can't figure out" (unless you mean college textbooks of course ). That's the whole point. Never in my life I've encountered anything that was worth saying "Wow, this is physically impossible" and neither have you.

Look, if you honestly believe that the laws that keep together trillions of galactics in our unimaginably huge universe make exceptions for creepy houses in which people died or crazy old women with decks of cards, you are a naive child that needs to get rid of his magical thinking.

you believe trillions of galaxies in this demension and the next, can be held together by super strings vibrating in the 10th demension, and yet you find it hard to imagine that a human mind can find a way to continue existing without a corporeal form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak5IA4TPHac

why must you hate on quantum possiblity?

 

[neuromantic]

I used to live in a house where I ALWAYS felt like I was being watched. This feeling stayed with me for so long, too. My mom had been divorced about since when I was born, and about two years ago she married my stepfather. Well, my stepfather had had a near-death, or rather, actual death experience. He died for a few minutes in the hospital until they resuscitated him, and ever since then he said he can see spirits. When we moved into my new house, it took me awhile to realize I didn't feel like I was being watched anymore. Eventually, I got into some kind of conversation with him about God and spirits and stuff and this is how I learned how he could see spirits and such. He told me about how when we lived in my previous house he could see an old lady. He described this person to my mom and she says "Oh my God, that's my great grandmother." So apparently he can see spirits and he says that there are none in this house, so....that's good! Don't have to feel like I'm constantly being watched.

That's pretty much as close as I've come to having an encounter. Although I've never seen a ghost, I would prefer not to. Kinda like how you really wanna see something but then afterwards you regret seeing it? That's kinda what it'd be like if I saw a ghost.

I swear I've had some kind of encounter though where I actually saw one, but for the life of me I can't remember it...

Thats pretty cool. =]
I mean, it must sort of suck to be able to see all these people when you don't want to.
I'm sure that when I was a little kid I saw a man in a hood standing in my bedroom doorway with this horrible sort of black/green (hard to describe) light around him, but I think I'm gonna have to chalk that one up to having a fever at the time.

Sometimes we can smell wood shavings and sawdust in the house when there is no reason for it to be there, and my mum always says she thinks it's cause my grandad is dropping in on us to visit. He was a carpenter y'see.

 

[pieeater911]

I don't completely rule out the supernatural, because there are things that people just can't understand. But I am very skeptical of the supernatural, even if I acknowledge it as a possibility.

 

[DannyBoy451]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

Ditto

ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?

I am. And?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

"Opening a can of worms" really doesn't do that post justice, good luck.

*Hides in bunker*

 

[sky14kemea]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

Ditto

ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?

I am. And?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

what has God got to do with supernatural stuff..?

im agnostic, but i believe in supernatural stuff, i dont think they're connected that much

 

[neuromantic]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

Ditto

ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?

I am. And?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

Without wishing to bash your religion at all, I find science a lot easier to believe than a bloke on a cloud wanting to tell us all how to live our lives. Just cause they haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean they never will. Far better to put trust in that than a mistranslated book written over 2000 years ago, back when they thought the earth was flat and virgins could get pregnant.

However you wanna live your life is fine by me though.

 

[smokeybearsb]

*snip*

I swear I've had some kind of encounter though where I actually saw one, but for the life of me I can't remember it...

Thats pretty cool. =]
I mean, it must sort of suck to be able to see all these people when you don't want to.
I'm sure that when I was a little kid I saw a man in a hood standing in my bedroom doorway with this horrible sort of black/green (hard to describe) light around him, but I think I'm gonna have to chalk that one up to having a fever at the time.

Sometimes we can smell wood shavings and sawdust in the house when there is no reason for it to be there, and my mum always says she thinks it's cause my grandad is dropping in on us to visit. He was a carpenter y'see.

That's pretty freaky. I'm a bit happier now that I don't have to worry about that stuff anymore. *Cue demonic being coming into the house*

I feel like I have had something happen to me. Maybe I just imagined it. Or imagined it then remember it for real. I dunno why that'd be possible, I have a feeling I'd be able to distinguish between what's real and what I imagined.

Recently I did have a surreal dream that involved a demonic old lady ghost who had just started living in my attic. Which had an old furnace in it-in the dream anyway. That dream scared the *HELL* out of me. She kept harassing me and it eventually led to me going down to my parents room and telling them about it-in the dream. I woke up and didn't want to move or do anything cause it was so vivid I was afraid she was in my attic, despite my telling myself over and over that it was a dream.

 

[Deacon Cole]

Having said that, my old R.E. teacher had a convincing argument for believing in Heaven (which I'll shorten); "If you believe in Heaven and it's not there, you lose nothing. If you don't believe and it is, you'll look like an idiot."

That is Pascal's Wager [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager] AKA Pascal's Gambit. It is not a convincing argument at all. You R.E. teacher should be ashamed to uses such hackneyed manipulation. It's not an argument so much as a recruiting tools to sort of bully people into being christians. But it only works if you listen to such twattle.

 

[MusicalFreedom]

I have never seen any reason to believe in the supernatural. What's worse are those psychics who feed from the worries and concerns of innocent people, getting "in contact" with their dead through methods that are anything but supernatural. Sure, makes people feel good, but it's lying to them. Even if the supernatural exists, why the fuck do they think that they have THE POWER?

Shows such as Most Haunted are pretty fucking terrible. It's clearly focussed around being dramatic, for entertainment purposes. It proves nothing. They have all these "scary" soundtracks and night-vision cameras because it all plays up to the ambience of the situation. It gets people to pay attention.

Regardless of your position on the supernatural, Most Haunted is fucking shit.

I've experienced things that can't be explained. There's no point in trying to explain it as being supernatural. It's just another explanation, from what it seems it's an unprovable one at that.

 

[Bad Neighbour]

I'd like to believe supernatural stuff happens, because the world would be alot more interesting if it did.

But it doesn't.

I've not experienced anything that there isn't a rational explanation for and I seriously doubt I ever will.

 

[sky14kemea]

I have never seen any reason to believe in the supernatural. What's worse are those psychics who feed from the worries and concerns of innocent people, getting "in contact" with their dead through methods that are anything but supernatural. Sure, makes people feel good, but it's lying to them. Even if the supernatural exists, why the fuck do they think that they have THE POWER?

Shows such as Most Haunted are pretty fucking terrible. It's clearly focussed around being dramatic, for entertainment purposes. It proves nothing. They have all these "scary" soundtracks and night-vision cameras because it all plays up to the ambience of the situation. It gets people to pay attention.

Regardless of your position on the supernatural, Most Haunted is fucking shit.

I've experienced things that can't be explained. There's no point in trying to explain it as being supernatural. It's just another explanation, from what it seems it's an unprovable one at that.

psychics and Most Haunted are funny =D

i love watching Most Haunted, nothing ever happens cept occasionally a rock "flies through the air"
im sure its a camera guy having some fun because he's bored

 

[captainwillies]

i put my hands down my pants.

 

[TehCookie]

Some people can only believe if they had an encounter because I didn't til I used a dowsing chain. Going through the motions asking for contact then after it after began to move asking if the spirit was evil it began to spin yes so I cussed at it very violently and suddenly it was jerked out of my hand and my friend was on the other side of the room and no one else was there. I just laughed because I couldn't think of an explanation and I had the ghost might exist through run though my head.

 

[vede]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

Ditto

ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?

I am. And?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

There's a few problems here.

The first: You are labeling one side as the "default." Simply because one side doesn't know something, you immediately switch to the other without analyzing the side you're moving to.

The second: You're not analyzing your own position. Let's apply that same logic you use to your side. Look at nature, it could never happen on its own. Okay then, how did that happen? God made it? Okay then, how did that happen? Er. Dead-end on your own side as well.

You label one side as wrong for not knowing what allowed the big bang to happen, but fail to realize that there is no explanation as to how God came into existence either.

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And these aren't even me arguing for my side, I'm just showing you that your side isn't very convincing at all.

As for the big bang, there is evidence for it. By looking at the paths of all the galaxies that we can see, we can take the small line they've made that we can see, and turn that into a big line (you only need two points to make an entire line), and we've seen that they all would concur at the same point.

Also, a good way to see if a system of knowledge works or not is to see if, in that knowledge system, you can explain anything you encounter with the same statement. If you are able to explain any and all unknown events with a nearly identical statement, and it would make sense according to that knowledge system, chances are the system is bad.

For example: "God did it."

No matter what one says, if a person asks why Mars is red, one could answer "God did it."
Why are trees made of wood? God did it.
Why is the sun yellow? God did it.
Why is the ocean blue? God did it.
Why is it that monkeys and humans are so genetically similar? God did it.

You see?

And the same explanation could not be attached to any two of these according to modern science. We tend to have a sensible, specific explanation for most of the phenomena we witness, and if we don't, we'll try to understand it based on what we do know, and usually, the conclusions we come to make perfect sense. The only problem is getting people to listen with an objective ear, not one that has already taken a side.

 

[0p3rati0n]

you believe trillions of galaxies in this demension and the next can be held together by super strings vibrating in the 10th demension and yet you find it hard to imagine that a human mind can find a way to continue existing without a corporeal form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak5IA4TPHac

why must you hate on quantum possiblity?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

Look people, I'm not saying that science has an answer for every question and I don't deny that things like origin of the universe or the very nature of existence and non-existence lie beyond our ability to reason, but I know what people mean by "supernatural" and I know it's all bollocks. Were not talking about human conciousness existing in alternative universe (which is something probable IMO), but about ghosts, psychics and other things that we know are impossible in this world (even with the quantum string theory) and in fact are widely documented as frauds and illusions.

Well congrats retard your not a complete atheist!

 

[neuromantic]

I used to love Most Haunted until Derek was proved to be a fake, and according to the internet the whole thing is fake... that shook my belief a fair bit and now I don't trust any TV psychics or anybody who tries to use such "gifts" as money making schemes.

 

[neuromantic]

There is no supernatural.
Just because you can't find explaination for something, doesn't mean it happens against the laws of physics.
I've experienced some highly improbable coincidences and tricks played by my mind, but I was never dumb enough to call it "paranormal", "supernatural" or "magic".

Sorry for being such a buzz-kill.

Ditto

ok let me ask something before I go into something. Are you both atheist?

I am. And?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

There's a few problems here.

The first: You are labeling one side as the "default." Simply because one side doesn't know something, you immediately switch to the other without analyzing the side you're moving to.

The second: You're not analyzing your own position. Let's apply that same logic you use to your side. Look at nature, it could never happen on its own. Okay then, how did that happen? God made it? Okay then, how did that happen? Er. Dead-end on your own side as well.

You label one side as wrong for not knowing what allowed the big bang to happen, but fail to realize that there is no explanation as to how God came into existence either.

---

And these aren't even me arguing for my side, I'm just showing you that your side isn't very convincing at all.

As for the big bang, there is evidence for it. By looking at the paths of all the galaxies that we can see, we can take the small line they've made that we can see, and turn that into a big line (you only need two points to make an entire line), and we've seen that they all would concur at the same point.

Also, a good way to see if a system of knowledge works or not is to see if, in that knowledge system, you can explain anything you encounter with the same statement. If you are able to explain any and all unknown events with a nearly identical statement, and it would make sense according to that knowledge system, chances are the system is bad.

For example: "God did it."

No matter what one says, if a person asks why Mars is red, one could answer "God did it."
Why are trees made of wood? God did it.
Why is the sun yellow? God did it.
Why is the ocean blue? God did it.
Why is it that monkeys and humans are so genetically similar? God did it.

You see?

And the same explanation could not be attached to any two of these according to modern science. We tend to have a sensible, specific explanation for most of the phenomena we witness, and if we don't, we'll try to understand it based on what we do know, and usually, the conclusions we come to make perfect sense. The only problem is getting people to listen with an objective ear, not one that has already taken a side.

You sir, or quite possibly madam, deserve some kind of medal for that.
Well said indeed!

 

[vede]

you believe trillions of galaxies in this demension and the next can be held together by super strings vibrating in the 10th demension and yet you find it hard to imagine that a human mind can find a way to continue existing without a corporeal form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ak5IA4TPHac

why must you hate on quantum possiblity?

ok good so let me go on. Why do you think there is no outer power (aka GOD) I think you put god as a person more or less a power. God is infinity, side eight, etc. That's why "he" has always been there/ here. When I get the question why doesn't god help us with our problems. It's because he helps our inner straight. He can help externally. But that's only if you say it was him and his work.

Look at nature it could never happen on it's own. If it did how. Evolution? Ok then how did that happen? the big bang? Ok then how did that happen? dust particles collecting in space where nothing is there? Ok then how did that happen? That's the dead end. That's the part scientists can't figure out and will never will.

Scientist also are trying to find out what powers the power of an atom. That's another thing they will never find out.

So work off that.

Look people, I'm not saying that science has an answer for every question and I don't deny that things like origin of the universe or the very nature of existence and non-existence lie beyond our ability to reason, but I know what people mean by "supernatural" and I know it's all bollocks. Were not talking about human conciousness existing in alternative universe (which is something probable IMO), but about ghosts, psychics and other things that we know are impossible in this world (even with the quantum string theory) and in fact are widely documented as frauds and illusions.

Well congrats retard your not a complete atheist!

The only criterion for what is and isn't an atheist is whether or not he believes in gods.

He doesn't, thus, he is a complete atheist.

No good scientist would assert that modern science has an answer for everything.

 

[IxionIndustries]

Nope, not ever once. My mind is simply too rational to think that events happen by ghosts, magic, or snot-nosed pixie goblins. I do believe it happens, but it just never happens to me, or it does and I just don't realize it.

 

[IrrelevantTangent]

I believe it exists. Somehow. And that everyone is going to be completely frakked unless they do their homework reading up on what vampires really are like (read: sadistic predatory killers, not pathetically weak emo sparklers), to thus avoid the vampocalypse.

Seriously. It could fucking happen. So get ready. And that's the Word.