Plants have a state of being too. They too must die for us to eat them. Why are animals worth more?Neonbob said:I don't endorse it at all, mainly because I don't care about the state of being for the animals that suffer to eventually become my food, and I love the taste of meat. As for the health part, I think they have to take vitamin supplements or something along those lines in order to get all the nutrients that most people get from a regular diet.
Because in my arbitrary judgment, plants do not count as life. I know they do scientifically, but big deal.Merteg said:Plants have a state of being too. They too must die for us to eat them. Why are animals worth more?Neonbob said:I don't endorse it at all, mainly because I don't care about the state of being for the animals that suffer to eventually become my food, and I love the taste of meat. As for the health part, I think they have to take vitamin supplements or something along those lines in order to get all the nutrients that most people get from a regular diet.
Eating their share right in front of them is even more satisfying! You should try it.Space Spoons said:Personally, I don't think it's the healthiest way to live. A human body requires certain nutrients that only meats can provide, and taking supplements in their stead just doesn't cut it. Now, I'm not saying I condone the sometimes cruel conditions animals are raised in for the purpose of eating. I'll buy some free-range eggs, sure. I'll buy some cruelty-free chuck roast, alright. But I'm not going to say animals shouldn't be eaten at all.
That said, I don't care for the smarmy, elitist attitude some vegans seem to cop when they find out I eat meat. I'm more than happy to eat double my share to make up for the meat they passed on.
Sentience, mostly. I'll be honest though: I don't like to think about it. If I did, I probably would become vegan. I probably would become vegan anyway if not for three things: bacon, shrimp, and cheeseburgers.Merteg said:Plants have a state of being too. They too must die for us to eat them. Why are animals worth more?Neonbob said:I don't endorse it at all, mainly because I don't care about the state of being for the animals that suffer to eventually become my food, and I love the taste of meat. As for the health part, I think they have to take vitamin supplements or something along those lines in order to get all the nutrients that most people get from a regular diet.
I read somewhere that plants have this pulse, and when they're endangered, the pulse speeds up. So in a way, they can object.Merteg said:So it's okay to eat plants instead of animals because you can see that your hurting the animal, while the plant just sits there and let's you kill and eat it?
That hardly seems reasonable.
Although I can't but simply agree with all of your views, may I point you to a study that strongly indicates that there is an african tree that will send out some sort of (still not understood) signal when being eaten (it's leaves that is) to the other trees of the same species nearby, which causes them so release a mild toxin which in turn causes their leaves to taste bitter?madbird-valiant said:Because animals are SENTIENT. Animals FEEL PAIN. Christ, people who won't eat anything that casts a frigging shadow aren't trying to be good to the environment; they're SCARED OF SHADOWS. It's OBVIOUS, people.
That's why it's a poll, I want to know your opinion.ix_tab said:I have plenty of vegan friends, and they are all good. As long as a person is still getting their essential nutrition, what they eat doesn't bother me.
I also have plenty of vegetarian friends, one or two raw foodists, and one or two almost entirely carnivore.
I don't see why other people's diets or beliefs about food should worry me. And I think the HURRR VEGANS SUX bullshit that gets bandied around on the net is just bizarre and stupid.
Epic win. Do you know what that tree is called?Oopsie said:Although I can't but simply agree with all of your views, may I point you to a study that strongly indicates that there is an african tree that will send out some sort of (still not understood) signal when being eaten (it's leaves that is) to the other trees of the same species nearby, which causes them so release a mild toxin which in turn causes their leaves to taste bitter?orannis62 said:Because animals are SENTIENT. Animals FEEL PAIN. Christ, people who won't eat anything that casts a frigging shadow aren't trying to be good to the environment; they're SCARED OF SHADOWS. It's OBVIOUS, people.
Just something I read a while ago.
I've read that over three years ago in some sort of biology magazine, I can't remember the species. I still remember know the most common eater of the leaves were giraffes though.Merteg said:Epic win. Do you know what that tree is called?
And...that's why I voted yes, and gave you my opinion?Merteg said:That's why it's a poll, I want to know your opinion.ix_tab said:I have plenty of vegan friends, and they are all good. As long as a person is still getting their essential nutrition, what they eat doesn't bother me.
I also have plenty of vegetarian friends, one or two raw foodists, and one or two almost entirely carnivore.
I don't see why other people's diets or beliefs about food should worry me. And I think the HURRR VEGANS SUX bullshit that gets bandied around on the net is just bizarre and stupid.
Tradition is one of the strongest forces.Eisenfaust said:i really, REALLY hate vegans... no idea why... probably because i think its just silly, but meh... and its not that i hate people who don't like eating meat... if you're a vegetarian because you hate the taste, fine, whatever, but if its because you have moral problems with eating animals that are bred for eating? bah!
OH and i have this rediculous theory about how they're trying to kill everyone:
vegans are trying to get people to not eat meat, which will end up shutting down the meat industry if they succeeded, which would mean the economy would collapse because the meat industry is an important part of it, which means that there's no money for people and governments to give to, say, cancer research, which means cancer isn't fixed and more people die. ergo, vegans are trying to kill us all using cancer...
bit of a leap... but it makes sense in a ridiculous way... muahahahaha
Yup. You made it sound like I was telling everyone veganism is horrible and gave them no room edgewise.ix_tab said:And...that's why I voted yes, and gave you my opinion?Merteg said:That's why it's a poll, I want to know your opinion.ix_tab said:I have plenty of vegan friends, and they are all good. As long as a person is still getting their essential nutrition, what they eat doesn't bother me.
I also have plenty of vegetarian friends, one or two raw foodists, and one or two almost entirely carnivore.
I don't see why other people's diets or beliefs about food should worry me. And I think the HURRR VEGANS SUX bullshit that gets bandied around on the net is just bizarre and stupid.