Poll: What do you think about circumcision?

[AngloDoom]

After hearing how horrible it was for a friend that had it done in his late teens, there is no way in Hell I'm making my male child wait that long to be cut.

If you've heard it to be so horrible, why would you want to do it at all?

I didn't mind it when it happened to me as an infant.

That doesn't answer my question.

You don't know why people get circumcised, and you want me to explain it to you?

Really?

If you're still open to comment, I'd like to hear. Seriously.

Circumcision is rare in England - I've known of two guys I've ever met who are circumcised, one for medical reasons, one for tradition, so it's a bit of a curious subject for me. Assuming you are not of a religion which advocates circumcision at birth, what are the reasons for it? So far I've just heard "because everyone does it" but I'd like to think there are more reasons than that.

Again, if you don't mind me asking.

 

[Maze1125]

After hearing how horrible it was for a friend that had it done in his late teens, there is no way in Hell I'm making my male child wait that long to be cut.

If you've heard it to be so horrible, why would you want to do it at all?

I didn't mind it when it happened to me as an infant.

That doesn't answer my question.

You don't know why people get circumcised, and you want me to explain it to you?

Really?

I was asking you why you would get your child circumcised if you think the surgery is so horrific.

Or do you employ every reason anybody has ever had for circumcision? I can't read your mind so I asked.
Would you kindly stop dodging the question and tell why you would decide to put your child through something you considered horrific?

Snarky, eh?

Because it isn't horrific for an infant. If you get it done later on, you remember.

So it's okay to do horrible things to someone, so long as they don't remember?

 

[Y_P]

it has been proven* that you are up to 60% less likely to contract HIV if you have been circumcised.

60%? 60% is VERY LOW, no vaccine or medication could claim being a protection or provide immunity with that number.

1. would you say to your son that he can have an unprotected casual sex bacause he's circumcised?
2. do circumcised men stil use condoms as they provide incomparable protection? if yes why circumcision?
3. it is VERY HARD to get HIV through sex, having typical vaginal unprotected intercourse with HIV-positive partner chances to get infected are LOW, 1 in 2000 for man, 1 in 1000 for woman, chances rise for backdoor sex
4. people in Europe do not circumcise and we have from 3 to 10 times lower HIV/AIDS rates, I don't see circumcison working as HIV prevention in the US, but oh wait.... some study in Africa proved it.

When practicing safe sex, chances to get HIV are extremely low, saying that circumcision lowers the risk is just funny to me, it's an obvious and desperate attempt to find a reason to continue this practice.

How come after so many years, there is still no valid, undeniable, bold reason to do this to all babies?

Answer is very simple. No matter how many desperate studies wwill be conducted, no matter how many diseases will be found as preventable with circumcision, the numbers WILL ALWAYS STAY LOW, because you can NEVER debunk human body design as it's perfect.

 

[Racistman3d]

I'm quite happy with mine, I had that thing where the foreskin never retracted properly and I got infections all the time, so I got cut at like 7 and barely remember anything of it, and I guess it all feels pretty good down there, but I don't feel any great reason to do it to my sons if I had one unless for same reasons of me, so I am extremely apathetic. I do find it annoying though when (mostly uncut but a few cut) males tend to shout a lot about mutilation and what not and speak in a way that I feel like tries to make those that are circumcised feel like they've been abused and deliberately hurt by their parents when most parents who do so do it with the best of intentions (just may not be aware of the negatives that may or may not come with it.

 

[Sewora]

I'm quite happy with mine, I had that thing where the foreskin never retracted properly and I got infections all the time, so I got cut at like 7 and barely remember anything of it, and I guess it all feels pretty good down there, but I don't feel any great reason to do it to my sons if I had one unless for same reasons of me, so I am extremely apathetic. I do find it annoying though when (mostly uncut but a few cut) males tend to shout a lot about mutilation and what not and speak in a way that I feel like tries to make those that are circumcised feel like they've been abused and deliberately hurt by their parents when most parents who do so do it with the best of intentions (just may not be aware of the negatives that may or may not come with it.

Two simple reasons.

1) I'm a man, and I know exactly how valuable the penis is on the male anatomy. I wouldn't wish for any man to be unable to enjoy having a penis.

2) Children deserves the same rights that you would give an adult or a girl. You wouldn't hold an adult down and cut off part of his genitals. You wouldn't hold a girl down and cut off parts of her genitals. Why is it that it's alright to do it on boys? It does not matter what you say, it's a part of their body and you have no right to carve it out of their body or take it away from them.
It's theft, immoral, inhuman and disrespectful. It borders on sexual abuse or rape to be honest.

If I told you that I just grabbed my 10 year old son, pulled his pants down, grabbed his penis and started carving into it with a knife, would you think I'm normal? Would you say it's wrong to do that?
Yes you most definitely would.
It doesn't matter if I'm a trained professional who have done it a thousand times before, it still sounds wrong in your ears.

That's how it is for us. The child is unable to defend itself and has it's body violated because you think a part of his body is useless, ugly or strange. Notice how I said HIS body, and not yours. Because it's his, and you have no right to put a knife to his body.

And yes, because of stupid people who won't stop circumsizing their children, it's still alright to circumsize boys all the way up to the age of 10 if you want to. YOU people make this happen, stop it already. Enough boys have been violated and mistreated.

 

[Divine Miss Bee]

your son will thank you later because (myself included) every girl i know thinks circumsized is more attractive and most studies agree that sex and stimulation feel better to circumsized men than to uncircumsized ones.

So does that mean allthose girls should have plasticsurgery without anasthetic becuase I think t looks nice ? hould guys get tattos on their dick to make it look nicer ? Looks are an oppinion anyway. And nless you have some ird sexual fetish I highly doubt you will spendlong mounts of time just staring at a guys dick thinking it looks nice.

I havee seen studies say the opposite. But really the looks thing shouldnt come into it, its ot your body that would be scared, ts that persons, therefore its their choice, only bbies cant choose.

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[Sewora]

your son will thank you later because (myself included) every girl i know thinks circumsized is more attractive and most studies agree that sex and stimulation feel better to circumsized men than to uncircumsized ones.

You wouldn't even see the difference between a circumsized and uncircumsized erect penis.
The foreskin is short, so it's automatically retracted when erect.



And it's all based on where you're from. Women in my country think circumsized penises are weird and ugly. No one even knows how to give a circumsized guy a handjob because it's awkward.

Trust me, the sliced up penis is no hit with the majority of all women on the planet.

Oh, and those supposed studies of yours doesn't exist. Because it's the opposite. Again, let me say the same thing others have said.

Uncircumsized penis has 24000 nerve endings.
Circumsized penis has 4000 nerve endings.
In comparison, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings.

It is scientifically proven in every single possible way that uncircumsized men feel alot more sexual sensation. The foreskin is the most sensitive sexual organ on the human body. It is by itself enough to make a man orgasm. It isn't just a useless piece of skin, it's a very important part of the male body.
In comparison it would be like removing the clitoris on a woman. You'd still be able to have sex, but you wouldn't enjoy clitoral stimulation.

 

[Divine Miss Bee]

your son will thank you later because (myself included) every girl i know thinks circumsized is more attractive and most studies agree that sex and stimulation feel better to circumsized men than to uncircumsized ones.

So does that mean allthose girls should have plasticsurgery without anasthetic becuase I think t looks nice ? hould guys get tattos on their dick to make it look nicer ? Looks are an oppinion anyway. And nless you have some ird sexual fetish I highly doubt you will spendlong mounts of time just staring at a guys dick thinking it looks nice.

I havee seen studies say the opposite. But really the looks thing shouldnt come into it, its ot your body that would be scared, ts that persons, therefore its their choice, only bbies cant choose.

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have to type with an inverted sceen and some keys didnt seem to work, but I could still read that. But feel free to ignore the argument.

meh. "i think this!"
"yur opnin rong cuz mine iz diffurnt."
"your spelling is atrocious. have a wonderful day."

arguing on the internet is about as useful as nailing jell-o to a tree. might as well rescue my own sanity from the nebulous web of "i can't stand it when people disagree with me! wahhhhhh!!!!!!!"

 

[Verlander]

Some people need to have it done. Some don't. End of story really.

 

[Bobzer77]

any chance someone could tell me what is bad about being circumcised? maybe it's just an american thing to be annoyed about it...(not meaning to cause trouble just there doesn't seem to be any debate about it here in europe)

We don't circumcise our children over here.

It's pretty rare.

 

[Naeras]

Another thing I just realized: everyone who says they know someone who's "had to be circumcised because of foreskin infections" seem to be from places where circumcision is common in the first place. Is bad intimate hygiene for men really that common over there?

 

[Sewora]

As a child we're all told how to clean our genitals. Girls know they shouldn't clean the inside of their vagina, especially not with soap because it ruins the pH balance.
And boys are taught not to clean their glans with soap because that has the same effect. You destroy the pH balance which causes infections, irritation and dryness.
And getting soap or anything else in existance into your urethra hurts like a ************. Feels like you're peeing fire for hours.

How do circumsized men deal with those issues? You've got nothing protecting the glans, and nothing protecting the urethra. The pH balance must be utterly destroyed by the constant showering and soap that must unavoidably come in contact with your glans. Do you shower with a plastic bag over your penis?

And STD's will spread regardless of how your penis looks like. We've got condoms to prevent that. If you're mad enough to have unprotected sex with different women regularly you're going to contract an STD no matter what.
And hey, a large portion of Scandinavians are immune to HIV. We cannot get it. Do you think we respond to that by having unprotected sex more than other countries? No.. We don't. Because a statistic number about STD's have no value other than showing the differences between different countries and people.

But lobotomy was considered okay to do until we became mature enough to think of the consequences and do the research.
It's simple. Arrogance, intolerance to change, laziness and stupidity is responsible for circumsizion still existing in the modern world. US is holding the world back because people are too stubborn to change their ways.

And it being religious is bollocks. Think about how insane it sounds!
"God made me this way, and it's my duty cut into my child because god wants me to get rid of bodyparts!"

No.. God would make you NOT have foreskin if he wanted it that way.

PS. My american friends have told me that in sex-ed in the US, they show images of circumsized penises rather than normal ones. Right off the bat children are taught that uncircumsized penises are wrong.
It's no wonder Americans are so ignorant. Their school system is spoonfeeding kids lies.

 

[ChaosStep]

It's essentially mutilation with a primitive excuse. We should still go around burning ugly women on the assumption that they might be a witch.

 

[Kilyle]

It's like those mothers who get their 3 year olds ear piercings. My parents let me decide when I was 11 and I'm damn grateful for it. Yes, your parents have some control over your life, but this kind of thing is permanent physical scarring. That should not be their decision to make.

I wasn't planning to add to this thread, but I've been thinking about this very thing while reading here, and I'm glad that someone else relates these two issues! It bugs me to see people get so up in arms against circumcision and then see a culture that thinks nothing of little kids getting their ears mutilated by their moms. (Always makes me think of those poor ear-snipped puppies in Black Beauty.)

When my nephew was going to get his ears pierced (at 7 years old!), I argued passionately against it. Our society may see pierced ears as no big thing on a girl, but on a guy they still provoke prejudice. It's a fact that teachers grade in part based on the appearance of the students. Somewhere down the road my nephew might fail to land a promising job because the hiring manager spots his earring. Or maybe the father of his girlfriend might take a disliking to him over just that one little detail.

Why saddle a kid with stuff like that when he's still to young to even realize what it means?

 

[cikame]

You want to change something about yourself go ahead, don't pimp your religion on a baby.

Also, there are no medical reasons, i get the feeling life would be fairly painful without my foreskin.

 

[Arakasi]

Incase someone hasn't already posted this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGcqPE7xu0

 

[Y_P]

since when piercing is permanent. argument invalid.

 

[DSK-]

Honestly, I think it hurts. A lot. As long as there is a good enough reason for it it's fine in my opinion.

 

[FiveSpeedf150]

I'm pretty damn thankful my parents had it done for me. I've got a buddy who's parents followed the "let him decide when he's an adult" route. I had to drive him home from the hospital when he finally had it done, poor guy.

Plus, the whole "circumcised has fewer nerve endings" isn't always a bad thing... unless you like being a "Minute Man". Us cut guys last longer, and I don't hear the girls complain about that.

God I love being an American.

 

[Kragg]

besides, your son will thank you later because (myself included) every girl i know thinks circumsized is more attractive and most studies agree that sex and stimulation feel better to circumsized men than to uncircumsized ones.

that's culture, western europe has way less cut penises, only one i know who had his cut is my brother and that was for medical reasons aswell.

haha source of these studies? cause that sounds like bullshit to me, you do know the skin retracts during sex right? im pretty confident stating theres no big difference between erect cut and uncut. as for stimulation, the cut one is probably less easily stimulated and "feels less good" airquotes cause 100% subjective, than the uncut one that being protected.