Heres what I always wondered, how do they have gas to fly the superfortress? wasnt the whole war against china for that?IThinkImASofa said:
Poll: Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?
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Im not saying they are better, but I dont think they are as screwed as some people make outUltratwinkie said:
because we dont actually know how they faired after broken steel, think about it, the defeated the enclave, whcih means acess to some of their gear and some of their rescources
plus the Lone wander I think at some point told them that the super muties were coming from vault...I forgot the name, one of the vaults..I mean with that info mabye they somehow managed to wipe out or lessen the threat
I mean there are people around DC....anyway mabye they did move on...who knows?
"If you want to see the fate of democracies, look out the windows" - Mr.House
(I think I quoted it right)
People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, that's why I wouldn't chose the NCR as humanities best faction. Brotherhood of Steel or Followers of the Apocalypse would get my vote. The fact that the East Coast BoS easily... well sort of easily accepted the elder's order to protect people shows there is some good in them in their cold Steel hearts.
(I think I quoted it right)
People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, that's why I wouldn't chose the NCR as humanities best faction. Brotherhood of Steel or Followers of the Apocalypse would get my vote. The fact that the East Coast BoS easily... well sort of easily accepted the elder's order to protect people shows there is some good in them in their cold Steel hearts.
did cearsar tell you that?Skullkid4187 said:Actually many women have rights in Caesar's Legion as the Vestal Virgins. And the slavery, well every great civilization isn't perfect.Chelsea O said:it also eliminates women's rights and supports slavery,so no it isn't the best.Skullkid4187 said:Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot
I will say that you cant trust half of what they say..its all built around myth and stories
I mean take lanius aparently had half his face removed...but take off his mask and its all there...I doubt it was an oversight on the developers part, it was just made up story
plus even if you do ackowelge that no civilisation is perfect then I fail to see how legion is more perfect than NCR
I mean I would rather put up with the problms of the NCR than be a slave
also I find it funny that ceasar talks about corruption in the NCR...this asshole deals in slaves and has no qualms about harming innocents, hes lost all right to whine about corruption
but anyway each to their own....
One, it's CAESAR. 2. no the Official Fallout New Vegas Guide did. Caesar's Legion can protect it's own citizens unlike the ncr. Caravaners don't need guards in Caesar's land because all tribes were destroyed or joined Caesar. It provides food and water for its citizens, in ncr their are still scavengers. If you play through Caesar's Legion's campaign you will see how corrupt ncr senators and citizens are. Heck even ncr soldiers even say how corrupt they are. Also not everyone in CL is a slave, it has citizens too!Vault101 said:did cearsar tell you that?Skullkid4187 said:Actually many women have rights in Caesar's Legion as the Vestal Virgins. And the slavery, well every great civilization isn't perfect.Chelsea O said:it also eliminates women's rights and supports slavery,so no it isn't the best.Skullkid4187 said:Caesar's Legion, is the one! It reduces the chance of another nuclear fallout by alot
I will say that you cant trust half of what they say..its all built around myth and stories
I mean take lanius aparently had half his face removed...but take off his mask and its all there...I doubt it was an oversight on the developers part, it was just made up story
plus even if you do ackowelge that no civilisation is perfect then I fail to see how legion is more perfect than NCR
I mean I would rather put up with the problms of the NCR than be a slave
also I find it funny that ceasar talks about corruption in the NCR...this asshole deals in slaves and has no qualms about harming innocents, hes lost all right to whine about corruption
but anyway each to their own....
Mutants.
Because they build a goshdamn building oin the middle of the desert.
...and then we blew it up.
Because they build a goshdamn building oin the middle of the desert.
...and then we blew it up.
Some kind of organization which operates like east coast Brotherhood, and outside of that individually governed communities. Basically how it works without all those big powers meddling.
None of them are entirely bang on, which really is kind of the point.
A sort of holy grail, pie-in-the-sky, best hope for humanity scenario following the events of New Vegas would be something along the lines of an Independent (Courier-led) or House Vegas, that eventually forces both the NCR and Legion to come to the negotiating table and eventually co-mingles some of the values of all 3 states a few years down the line.
The NCR is pro-equality, pro-rights, and has the groundwork for what could be an actually functional democracy at some point in the future. Right now, however, the democracy that the NCR has, isn't what it claims to have. It's corrupt. Extremely. Basically a plutocracy with good PR. Also they're really slimy about expansion. That's got to go.
The Legion has the backbone and ethics that the NCR lacks - honestas, industria, prudentia - and the kind of work ethic that gets shit done. Not to confuse ethics with morality, by the way, that's something else entirely. Not to mention the fact that Caesar's point of The Right Kind of Government for the Right Circumstances, while harsh, is pretty much dead on. The wasteland is not a genteel enough place to allow a pre-war 'soft' democracy to succeed. It can be eventually, but it isn't there now. What the wastes need right now isn't a friendly gathering of equals, it needs a father figure to tell them to quit hitting your sister, do your homework, and eat your vegetables because if you don't so help me I will fucking spank you. Of course the downsides to the Legion as presented are manifold, and frankly pretty evident if you've played the game. It's too harsh in the social message it delivers, and as a society goes, it's unbalanced toward the military. Oh, and the whole sexism thing ... that's just wasteful. Caesar himself knew that the Legion had to change, but if/when he's defeated at Hoover Dam he risked losing his shot at it and it's not entirely clear if he had a backup plan.
In this scenario (crazy space aspirations aside) House/Vegas serve as the base to let this mixture work. It has what both the NCR and Legion lack: infrastructure and excess. Basically Vegas doesn't really need anything, and it has the ability to produce far more than it consumes. It's got water, it's got power, it's got technology, and it's got people. And most importantly, if things go right, it has all of this from a position where it cannot reasonably be taken by force. Assuming after the events of FNV, Vegas has the ability to secure territories within the borders of the Mojave, Vegas has an army of (or supplemented with) military robots, an orbital deathray, artillery emplacements, and an air force. It can make people play nice, and given the political situation, that's necessary.
A sort of holy grail, pie-in-the-sky, best hope for humanity scenario following the events of New Vegas would be something along the lines of an Independent (Courier-led) or House Vegas, that eventually forces both the NCR and Legion to come to the negotiating table and eventually co-mingles some of the values of all 3 states a few years down the line.
The NCR is pro-equality, pro-rights, and has the groundwork for what could be an actually functional democracy at some point in the future. Right now, however, the democracy that the NCR has, isn't what it claims to have. It's corrupt. Extremely. Basically a plutocracy with good PR. Also they're really slimy about expansion. That's got to go.
The Legion has the backbone and ethics that the NCR lacks - honestas, industria, prudentia - and the kind of work ethic that gets shit done. Not to confuse ethics with morality, by the way, that's something else entirely. Not to mention the fact that Caesar's point of The Right Kind of Government for the Right Circumstances, while harsh, is pretty much dead on. The wasteland is not a genteel enough place to allow a pre-war 'soft' democracy to succeed. It can be eventually, but it isn't there now. What the wastes need right now isn't a friendly gathering of equals, it needs a father figure to tell them to quit hitting your sister, do your homework, and eat your vegetables because if you don't so help me I will fucking spank you. Of course the downsides to the Legion as presented are manifold, and frankly pretty evident if you've played the game. It's too harsh in the social message it delivers, and as a society goes, it's unbalanced toward the military. Oh, and the whole sexism thing ... that's just wasteful. Caesar himself knew that the Legion had to change, but if/when he's defeated at Hoover Dam he risked losing his shot at it and it's not entirely clear if he had a backup plan.
In this scenario (crazy space aspirations aside) House/Vegas serve as the base to let this mixture work. It has what both the NCR and Legion lack: infrastructure and excess. Basically Vegas doesn't really need anything, and it has the ability to produce far more than it consumes. It's got water, it's got power, it's got technology, and it's got people. And most importantly, if things go right, it has all of this from a position where it cannot reasonably be taken by force. Assuming after the events of FNV, Vegas has the ability to secure territories within the borders of the Mojave, Vegas has an army of (or supplemented with) military robots, an orbital deathray, artillery emplacements, and an air force. It can make people play nice, and given the political situation, that's necessary.
WTF. NCR?
Did ANY of you work for and see the House ending?
You were like the human diplomat to the brain-computer that wanted only to fix and advance humanity. Something that can't be solved by humans...
er..damn...I guess that shows where I stand, eh?
A game that teaches you things about yourself. Amazing complexity.
Did ANY of you work for and see the House ending?
You were like the human diplomat to the brain-computer that wanted only to fix and advance humanity. Something that can't be solved by humans...
er..damn...I guess that shows where I stand, eh?
A game that teaches you things about yourself. Amazing complexity.
none!
the NCR is falling apart at the seams
the BOS are a bunch of racists (they refuse to accept tribal,s)
the Enclave preforms experiments on humans
we all know what legion does
and Mr.House refuse to give access to the strip!
maybe the Mormons of Followers of The Apocalypse.
the NCR is falling apart at the seams
the BOS are a bunch of racists (they refuse to accept tribal,s)
the Enclave preforms experiments on humans
we all know what legion does
and Mr.House refuse to give access to the strip!
maybe the Mormons of Followers of The Apocalypse.
I'm going with Mr. House... meaning an alliance of independent city-states that build trade routes and meet to decide on matters of import to all. House himself saw things a little too black and white, he was too willing to destroy any group he saw as having dangerous ideology... ignoring the likelihood of revolution... but aside from that, he was the best choice humanity has been given in a Fallout game.
Fuck NCR. I would like them a lot more if every one of them wasn't a dick to me for doing their work.
Fuck Caesar. totally stupid way to run society(look what happened to the romans). BUT the legion questline is the most fun.
House is a tyrant. But i like him better than the NCR or Legion.
Independant new vegas is the most satisfying ending.
Fuck Caesar. totally stupid way to run society(look what happened to the romans). BUT the legion questline is the most fun.
House is a tyrant. But i like him better than the NCR or Legion.
Independant new vegas is the most satisfying ending.
Brotherhood of steel only want Tech though and are willing to kill anyone with it so they might not make the best government, I do agree about the Enclave thoughAgentBJ09 said:
The only reason the Roman Empire lasted so long was because of the foundation the Roman Republic set up, A new nation created to be the Empire would fail unless they create the Republic first.Mavinchious Maximus said:
OT: NCR all the way I tried to side with them my first time throught, which led to my one and only complaint about the game. Why can't I kill house and take over his fully upgraded and operational army of awesome robots, and then give my support to the NCR? That was what my plan was but no, I had to side with a free Vegas, fuck that I don't want them to be free to do what they want. I also tried to recreate the casino's using the Kings, Brotherhood, and the boomers, but that didn't pan out either.
I could be dead wrong but doesn't Yes Man banish you from New Vegas and take over at the end of the the Independent Vegas senario?Sejs Cube said:
"After the assault of Hoover Dam, Yes Man informs you that he found pieces of code within Mr. House's mainframe that "change [his] personality" and says he will seem to be offline for a little while until his personality change is complete (he never actually shows his changed personality due to the game ending). Part of the change is that he's going to be more "assertive", hinting that he will no longer be under the Courier's control."
Banish? Nah. He says he found some buried code that would let him be more personally assertive (rather than being the pushover he is now), and that it'll take him some time to dig it up. At the close of the Independent Vegas ending he's more of a facilitator than a ruler.azraelthor said:
Plus, you know, dude's a robot. If needed he could be reprogrammed. Especially if you have the Robotics Expert perk.
Definitely the Shi Empire, they're reverse engineering a lot of good tech, have a stable power base and seem pretty civilised. That or the Vault-City/Gecko/NCR alliance or the Vault 13/Arroyo nation but we never got to see how that worked out.
The Midwest Brotherhood of Steel is pretty good given the right leadership.
The Midwest Brotherhood of Steel is pretty good given the right leadership.