Poll: Which Fallout faction is best for humanity?
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Nah the NCR, they are flawed and do bad things but out of the lot they are the best. the brotherhood hoards tech but doesn't really actually do anything that creates a society. Which as Veronica points out if why they have a pretty poor reputation.
As for House, I am always a bit amazed at how many people trust him completely. Pratically all the information about Houses's plans come fron House. Unlike the NCR or even the Legion who have other people to take over the reins, House is just about you living in his police state. Yes he is a genius and it is quite possibel you would live richly, but only a very small number of people would. and honestly I can see it resulting in a situation where the poor and the desperate of theMojave wasteland become so hungry and hateful that the storm the capital by sheer weight of numbers.
Nah the NCR, they are flawed and do bad things but out of the lot they are the best. the brotherhood hoards tech but doesn't really actually do anything that creates a society. Which as Veronica points out if why they have a pretty poor reputation.
As for House, I am always a bit amazed at how many people trust him completely. Pratically all the information about Houses's plans come fron House. Unlike the NCR or even the Legion who have other people to take over the reins, House is just about you living in his police state. Yes he is a genius and it is quite possibel you would live richly, but only a very small number of people would. and honestly I can see it resulting in a situation where the poor and the desperate of theMojave wasteland become so hungry and hateful that the storm the capital by sheer weight of numbers.
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The NCR have the right idea just not the reach or resources. They need to absorb other factions if they are going to be able to manage the amount of land they need too. Otherwise they are going to be stretched too thin. Being accepting of local ''rulers'' and also tribes would work well for them. The alliance with the rangers was a good move.
Although horribly boring I think they have the best strategy for getting the country back on its feet. The fact they are also accepting of ghouls bodes well for them.
The Brotherhood have suffered from thier own isolationism and mistrust as Veronica clearly points out. It's also obvious in Fallout 3.
Ceasar's Legion is self destructive. Building a society out of abused slaves is never a good move. They have all the brutality of ancient rome but none of the culture. Doomed to fail I think.
Although horribly boring I think they have the best strategy for getting the country back on its feet. The fact they are also accepting of ghouls bodes well for them.
The Brotherhood have suffered from thier own isolationism and mistrust as Veronica clearly points out. It's also obvious in Fallout 3.
Ceasar's Legion is self destructive. Building a society out of abused slaves is never a good move. They have all the brutality of ancient rome but none of the culture. Doomed to fail I think.
Nope, it belonged to the tribes of the Strip, under Mr. House.Ultratwinkie said:Harvesting resources isn't the same as stealing them. Stealing resources would imply someone owns it, and no one does. There are independent towns, but the benefits NCR brings practically forces towns to join because trading with an educated civilization requires education as well. What is better?Moromillas said:Yep, and to get those resources, they gotta steal 'em. That means; More Raiders, shoot on sight.Ultratwinkie said:Except they need those resources to expand. California cannot supply all the resources itself, hell the art of war states that if you can get your resources from anywhere other than your homeland then you do it. Its all part of reconstruction, but on a cheapskate budget.Moromillas said:They didn't come to the Mojave to improve relations, or even trade. They came with their military to annex the region and siphon all the resources they can get their hands on (which is why they went and took the dam). More Raiders, shoot on sight.Ultratwinkie said:How the hell are the NCR the bad guys? The followers are the one two punch of the NCR. The NCR rebuilds infrastructure, and the followers teach the populace how to use the rebuilt machinery.Moromillas said:.... NCR are the bad guys.... Apocalypse and Boomers had the right idea. Work together to improve the conditions for the people, and blast anyone that tries to steal your stuff.
As one of Mr. House's most valued employees, I welcome our missile luanching robotic overlords. I'd be interested in a side story that follows the House questline into the future of New Vegas.
NCR because they seem less likely to become totalitarian leaders, and seem like they'd be fair. brotherhood and Enclave are too controlling and driven by power and greed. House seems like a good enough guy but society would be based almost entirely financial gain and profit.
Anarchy would be good as far as evolution is concerned, but only really for people ruthless enough to fight, fend for themselves and get ahead enough to survive, in other word's, leaves little room for goodwill, society etc.
Anarchy would be good as far as evolution is concerned, but only really for people ruthless enough to fight, fend for themselves and get ahead enough to survive, in other word's, leaves little room for goodwill, society etc.
None.
NCR is not the best. NCR is for the typical Americans.
The likes of the NCR is the reason why you are roaming a nuclear wasteland.
I still have yet to complete this game, or get into it really far. I spend a looooot of tiiiime exploring eveeerry siinnglee facet of the wasteland. I had a good 100+ hour save under my belt, working on "The House Always Wins" and the 'Wildcard' missions, and then my HDD blew, destroying my large and delicate mods configuration, and my saves along with it. I'll probably get into it again sometime this summer.
Bethesda games are a testament to the ultimate replay value in gaming.
NCR is not the best. NCR is for the typical Americans.
The likes of the NCR is the reason why you are roaming a nuclear wasteland.
I still have yet to complete this game, or get into it really far. I spend a looooot of tiiiime exploring eveeerry siinnglee facet of the wasteland. I had a good 100+ hour save under my belt, working on "The House Always Wins" and the 'Wildcard' missions, and then my HDD blew, destroying my large and delicate mods configuration, and my saves along with it. I'll probably get into it again sometime this summer.
Bethesda games are a testament to the ultimate replay value in gaming.
they're all designed to be either comically flawed or "the bad guys"
i choose rapture....
ok not really
i think the brotherhood of steel are the best
out of the previously stated groups to run a country
but something about the isolated settlements really shines to me
i choose rapture....
ok not really
i think the brotherhood of steel are the best
out of the previously stated groups to run a country
but something about the isolated settlements really shines to me
Personally, I think anarchy is the best choice for the Fallout world. The Brotherhood of Steel is a self-interested oligarchy, the Enclave is a fascist dictatorship waiting to happen, House IS a fascist dictator, the Legion's nothing more than an over-sized street gang that takes larping WAY too seriously, the Followers of the Apocalypse are too limp-wristed and naive to govern anybody but themselves, and as for the NCR...I just...don't understand their appeal.
Sure, they're a well-organized, mostly benevolent source of order with considerable military force to protect the wastelands from threats like the Legion, but if you ask me, that's all they're good for. Their ranks are gilded with corruption. They encroach on "unclaimed" territories and impose their laws on people who either don't want to be governed or don't care one way or another. They rationalize this by saying it's in the name of order, justice and safety, but they only take care of their own people first- Wastelanders second. They do the same thing the Legion does, just bureaucratically. Fuck, sometimes they're just as bad if not worse than the Legion. They regard gangs as animals to be either tamed or euthanized, as demonstrated in the standoff quest between the NCR and the Khans. Before them, sure there was anarchy, yes there was chaos- but it was all relatively manageable, and forced Wastelanders to look after themselves. That made them stronger, smarter people. That's what a post-apocalyptic world needs: the hardening of the remaining members of society to ensure its preservation, while simultaneously building a zeitgeist of de facto cooperation not reliant on an official entity like the NCR.
Sure, they're a well-organized, mostly benevolent source of order with considerable military force to protect the wastelands from threats like the Legion, but if you ask me, that's all they're good for. Their ranks are gilded with corruption. They encroach on "unclaimed" territories and impose their laws on people who either don't want to be governed or don't care one way or another. They rationalize this by saying it's in the name of order, justice and safety, but they only take care of their own people first- Wastelanders second. They do the same thing the Legion does, just bureaucratically. Fuck, sometimes they're just as bad if not worse than the Legion. They regard gangs as animals to be either tamed or euthanized, as demonstrated in the standoff quest between the NCR and the Khans. Before them, sure there was anarchy, yes there was chaos- but it was all relatively manageable, and forced Wastelanders to look after themselves. That made them stronger, smarter people. That's what a post-apocalyptic world needs: the hardening of the remaining members of society to ensure its preservation, while simultaneously building a zeitgeist of de facto cooperation not reliant on an official entity like the NCR.
So basically it's ok for the bigger kid to take the little kids lunch, because, well, he's bigger. Of course the kid was gonna eat it, and yes it's his. Why are you wanting to debate this? Actually, please don't answer that, I'm kinda sick of it.Ultratwinkie said:Actually the strip belongs to Mr. House, but everything else is up for grabs. The gold and silver mines are not claimed, the only resources that are claimed is the Hoover Dam.Moromillas said:Nope, it belonged to the tribes of the Strip, under Mr. House.Ultratwinkie said:Harvesting resources isn't the same as stealing them. Stealing resources would imply someone owns it, and no one does. There are independent towns, but the benefits NCR brings practically forces towns to join because trading with an educated civilization requires education as well. What is better?Moromillas said:Yep, and to get those resources, they gotta steal 'em. That means; More Raiders, shoot on sight.Ultratwinkie said:Except they need those resources to expand. California cannot supply all the resources itself, hell the art of war states that if you can get your resources from anywhere other than your homeland then you do it. Its all part of reconstruction, but on a cheapskate budget.Moromillas said:They didn't come to the Mojave to improve relations, or even trade. They came with their military to annex the region and siphon all the resources they can get their hands on (which is why they went and took the dam). More Raiders, shoot on sight.Ultratwinkie said:How the hell are the NCR the bad guys? The followers are the one two punch of the NCR. The NCR rebuilds infrastructure, and the followers teach the populace how to use the rebuilt machinery.Moromillas said:
Vegas is one town, it doesn't encompass all of Nevada. Rarely does an independent town take advantage of a resource, and its only when supported by government can it be truly used.
Mr. House. He can get humanity back into space in 50 years and could possibly bring his method of longevity to market. Sure, he's a callous despotic douche, but his efficiency makes up for it all.
Caesar's Legion would only be the benevolent dictatorship it is until Caesar dies. It was a cult based around one old man with heart problems. When he kicks the bucket, Lanius takes over and it would all probably go to hell.
NCR would be a close second to House due to my own American bias towards democratic republics. They remain a second due to their incompetence, corruption, and inefficiency.
The Followers of The Apocalypse are radical idealists. While everything they do is genuinely done for the good of mankind, they themselves are rather impotent and have no means to achieve their ends. They are idealists plain and simple - little more.
The Enclave is essentially just the NCR but better equipped and more efficient at the cost of being a wee bit more xenophobic to the point of omnicide. They're basically the American government in a state of indefinite emergency powers, so my guess is that if they ever succeeded they would eventually go back to being a democratic republic like they were before. Well-intentioned extremists. Due to the fact that they have essentially been destroyed throughout the Fallout cannon, I don't think they could ever do so, so I have no idea why they were put on this poll.
The Brotherhood of Steel is really interested in power - just the acquisition of technology. They don't seem to really give a shit about the world outside technological progress, making them powerful for what remains of them albeit negligible. The whole "BoS = caring/helpful good guys/protagonists" is a Bethesda interpretation they placed in Fallout 3 (although they do refer to the Washington chapter as being sort of 'renegade' in that regard. They also don't really apply to this poll. Not to mention that as of FO: NV they are suffering the same problem as The Enclave and are dying out, albeit at a slower rate, so there probably aren't enough of them to enforce any real order.
Anarchy : See FoTA, it's essentially what they are working for.
Caesar's Legion would only be the benevolent dictatorship it is until Caesar dies. It was a cult based around one old man with heart problems. When he kicks the bucket, Lanius takes over and it would all probably go to hell.
NCR would be a close second to House due to my own American bias towards democratic republics. They remain a second due to their incompetence, corruption, and inefficiency.
The Followers of The Apocalypse are radical idealists. While everything they do is genuinely done for the good of mankind, they themselves are rather impotent and have no means to achieve their ends. They are idealists plain and simple - little more.
The Enclave is essentially just the NCR but better equipped and more efficient at the cost of being a wee bit more xenophobic to the point of omnicide. They're basically the American government in a state of indefinite emergency powers, so my guess is that if they ever succeeded they would eventually go back to being a democratic republic like they were before. Well-intentioned extremists. Due to the fact that they have essentially been destroyed throughout the Fallout cannon, I don't think they could ever do so, so I have no idea why they were put on this poll.
The Brotherhood of Steel is really interested in power - just the acquisition of technology. They don't seem to really give a shit about the world outside technological progress, making them powerful for what remains of them albeit negligible. The whole "BoS = caring/helpful good guys/protagonists" is a Bethesda interpretation they placed in Fallout 3 (although they do refer to the Washington chapter as being sort of 'renegade' in that regard. They also don't really apply to this poll. Not to mention that as of FO: NV they are suffering the same problem as The Enclave and are dying out, albeit at a slower rate, so there probably aren't enough of them to enforce any real order.
Anarchy : See FoTA, it's essentially what they are working for.
Mr. House. He can get humanity back into space in 50 years and could possibly bring his method of longevity to market. Sure, he's a callous despotic douche, but his efficiency makes up for it all.
Caesar's Legion would only be the benevolent dictatorship it is until Caesar dies. It was a cult based around one old man with heart problems. When he kicks the bucket, Lanius takes over and it would all probably go to hell.
NCR would be a close second to House due to my own American bias towards democratic republics. They remain a second due to their incompetence, corruption, and inefficiency.
The Followers of The Apocalypse are radical idealists. While everything they do is genuinely done for the good of mankind, they themselves are rather impotent and have no means to achieve their ends. They are idealists plain and simple - little more.
The Enclave is essentially just the NCR but better equipped and more efficient at the cost of being a wee bit more xenophobic to the point of omnicide. They're basically the American government in a state of indefinite emergency powers, so my guess is that if they ever succeeded they would eventually go back to being a democratic republic like they were before. Well-intentioned extremists. Due to the fact that they have essentially been destroyed throughout the Fallout cannon, I don't think they could ever do so, so I have no idea why they were put on this poll.
The Brotherhood of Steel isn't really interested in power - just the acquisition of technology. They don't seem to really give a shit about the world outside technological progress, making them powerful for what remains of them albeit negligible. The whole "BoS = caring/helpful good guys/protagonists" is a Bethesda interpretation they placed in Fallout 3 (although they do refer to the Washington chapter as being sort of 'renegade' in that regard. They also don't really apply to this poll. Not to mention that as of FO: NV they are suffering the same problem as The Enclave and are dying out, albeit at a slower rate, so there probably aren't enough of them to enforce any real order.
Anarchy : See FoTA, it's essentially what they are working for.
Caesar's Legion would only be the benevolent dictatorship it is until Caesar dies. It was a cult based around one old man with heart problems. When he kicks the bucket, Lanius takes over and it would all probably go to hell.
NCR would be a close second to House due to my own American bias towards democratic republics. They remain a second due to their incompetence, corruption, and inefficiency.
The Followers of The Apocalypse are radical idealists. While everything they do is genuinely done for the good of mankind, they themselves are rather impotent and have no means to achieve their ends. They are idealists plain and simple - little more.
The Enclave is essentially just the NCR but better equipped and more efficient at the cost of being a wee bit more xenophobic to the point of omnicide. They're basically the American government in a state of indefinite emergency powers, so my guess is that if they ever succeeded they would eventually go back to being a democratic republic like they were before. Well-intentioned extremists. Due to the fact that they have essentially been destroyed throughout the Fallout cannon, I don't think they could ever do so, so I have no idea why they were put on this poll.
The Brotherhood of Steel isn't really interested in power - just the acquisition of technology. They don't seem to really give a shit about the world outside technological progress, making them powerful for what remains of them albeit negligible. The whole "BoS = caring/helpful good guys/protagonists" is a Bethesda interpretation they placed in Fallout 3 (although they do refer to the Washington chapter as being sort of 'renegade' in that regard. They also don't really apply to this poll. Not to mention that as of FO: NV they are suffering the same problem as The Enclave and are dying out, albeit at a slower rate, so there probably aren't enough of them to enforce any real order.
Anarchy : See FoTA, it's essentially what they are working for.
i keep seeing people saying enclave....but that can't run things...i will state again,the enclave was destroyed in fallout 2,the enclave in 3 were remnants and were also brought down,there is no more enclave.
the BoS are tech whores,the east coast set of them don't have the resources to hold up the country as they are pretty much a group of their own and not connected to the rest.
the legion are slave traders,nothing more when you look at them.
the NCR has the right idea but the wrong execution.given more resources and a better plane with better pacing they'd work.
the followers got things pretty good as well,merge them with NCR and everything will work.
house keeps things too closed for him to work for anyone outside of Vegas,and the courier/yes-man don't have much of a plan.
the khans with a better structure might work as well,maybe a mix of them ,the followers and the NCR could be the best in the long term.
the BoS are tech whores,the east coast set of them don't have the resources to hold up the country as they are pretty much a group of their own and not connected to the rest.
the legion are slave traders,nothing more when you look at them.
the NCR has the right idea but the wrong execution.given more resources and a better plane with better pacing they'd work.
the followers got things pretty good as well,merge them with NCR and everything will work.
house keeps things too closed for him to work for anyone outside of Vegas,and the courier/yes-man don't have much of a plan.
the khans with a better structure might work as well,maybe a mix of them ,the followers and the NCR could be the best in the long term.
The NCR is a stagnant democracy that just wants to control everything and pretends to be helping people.
Caesar's Legion is an act of desperation with a theme.
Independent Vegas is good, but chances are it'll all collapse on itself eventually.
The Brotherhood of Steel does everything it does to keep itself alive, usually at the cost to everyone else.
House is a pompous asshat, but he's good enough at everything he does to be allowed a pompous asshat. He's probably the best hope for the entire wasteland. Unless of course, you're not in his favor. Then you live in poverty or are outright murdered.
The Enclave would have been nice had they not been reduced to post-Apocalyptic Nazis and then blown up repeatedly.
Really, everyone sucks. The Followers of the Apocalypse are one of the only decent factions (in New Vegas, at least) and they are pretty much the punching bags of the wasteland.
Caesar's Legion is an act of desperation with a theme.
Independent Vegas is good, but chances are it'll all collapse on itself eventually.
The Brotherhood of Steel does everything it does to keep itself alive, usually at the cost to everyone else.
House is a pompous asshat, but he's good enough at everything he does to be allowed a pompous asshat. He's probably the best hope for the entire wasteland. Unless of course, you're not in his favor. Then you live in poverty or are outright murdered.
The Enclave would have been nice had they not been reduced to post-Apocalyptic Nazis and then blown up repeatedly.
Really, everyone sucks. The Followers of the Apocalypse are one of the only decent factions (in New Vegas, at least) and they are pretty much the punching bags of the wasteland.
me. my new vegas will stop NCR expansion east and form a area of peace between the ncr and east coast.
The Brotherhood of Steel are so xenophobic, they may as well inbreed.
Enclave are probably on their last legs since their defeat in the Capitol Wasteland, and their method of extermination would probably end all of humanity quicker than the remaining can breed.
Legionary rule is basically repeating history, and no one wants that.
Anarchy would be too heavy a risk, as a house divided cannot stand.
House would most certainly keep humanity on a tight leash with militarized robots.
And like the Legion, the NCR cares nothing about anyone who isn't serving them, and unlike Legion, are self-restricted by red tape, similar to today's US military and government.
Out of all these choices, I would pick the NCR.
Enclave are probably on their last legs since their defeat in the Capitol Wasteland, and their method of extermination would probably end all of humanity quicker than the remaining can breed.
Legionary rule is basically repeating history, and no one wants that.
Anarchy would be too heavy a risk, as a house divided cannot stand.
House would most certainly keep humanity on a tight leash with militarized robots.
And like the Legion, the NCR cares nothing about anyone who isn't serving them, and unlike Legion, are self-restricted by red tape, similar to today's US military and government.
Out of all these choices, I would pick the NCR.
None of them are right. Which is pretty much the entire point of the series. Every single organisation is fundamentally flawed in different ways.
I guess the ones who, if given the choice, I would support most would be the Followers Of The Apocalypse. Their ideology is probably the most sound and coherent, but they lack the means to actually enact it - eg they have no ability to actually rule in their current state.
They're basically the exact opposite of Caesar's Legion. The Legion is all about the means of taking over and creating order at any cost, whereas the FotA don't seem to have any more drive to rule than the Salvation Army today.
I guess the ones who, if given the choice, I would support most would be the Followers Of The Apocalypse. Their ideology is probably the most sound and coherent, but they lack the means to actually enact it - eg they have no ability to actually rule in their current state.
They're basically the exact opposite of Caesar's Legion. The Legion is all about the means of taking over and creating order at any cost, whereas the FotA don't seem to have any more drive to rule than the Salvation Army today.