Poll: Who is in the right here?

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spartan231490

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Jitters Caffeine said:
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That's ridiculous.

Forums =/= Purchased product.
What it kind of turned into was whether or not purchasing the game means you OWN that "slot" on the servers your game takes up or you're purchasing the right to USE the servers. Most people who defended EA said he should have read the ToU before agreeing to them. People who defended the customer basically said EA are totalitarian tyrants who want to have a vicegrip on their products. Although they latter sounds extreme, you DO have to feel bad for the guy for paying full price for a game he can no longer play because of a tertiary aspect.
No I don't, he shouldn't have been harassing people. He got what he deserved. In fact, he got off easy, cuz he can always go sell his games and get probably half his money back.
 

Spitfire

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EA have essentially deprived someone of a game that they purchased, for behavior committed outside of the game. I don't know the legality of this, but ethically speaking, EA are wrong, and this is a terrible business practice for them.
 

WaruTaru

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Isn't this something like having an unruly customer pissing off other customers in a bar and having the owner/employee kicking the unruly customer from the establishment? Its in the interest of the business to remove such customers, no?

Edit: On a funnier note, this [http://www.indiewire.com/article/alamo_drafthouse_kicks_out_customer_for_texting_creates_an_excellent_new_ps].
 

kebab4you

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Shit on the forum =/= shit in game, if he was harassing people ingame I could see a reason to ban him so he can't play bf3 online. However given my scenario they should still not ban him from the online part of ALL their game.
 

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It may be in the ToU, but it's a bit stupid.

I also don't know the context of the harassment claims. I know what he said, but not why. I'm also not sure two offenses is worth a ban across all services.

Who's in the right? Nobody.

The problem is, this probably wouldn't hold up to a legal challenge, but nobody's going to do anything.

Meanwhile, the people complaining about EA will likely prop it up themselves by continuing to support EA.
 

RollForInitiative

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He should have been banned from the forums, not from being able to play the games, especially games wholly unrelated to the source of the issue.
 

MurderousToaster

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The dickhead was participating in what was, probably, a retarded fanboy flamewar on the internet between CoD fanboys who are, ostensibly, the lowest common denominator and Battlefield fanboys who are, ostensibly, the second-lowest common denominator who have managed to convince themselves that they are the hyper-intelligent shooter master race. Anyone who will condescend to participate in such a flailing moron-fight deserves the inability to play the precious game he was probably spewing obscenities and slurs to defend.

Seriously, go EA. Ban all of the people who spend the best part of their time being morons on the internet and arguing with other morons from your games and you have my unending respect. Before anyone goes right ahead and argues that I'm generalising, I would like to argue that I have seen far, far too many arguments of this sort on the internet to believe that he was banned for educated discourse of the shooter genre.
 

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Even if he is a bit of a dick, the customer's right in this case. Now, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure something like this violates the trade descriptions act (or whatever the US equivalent of this law is - you folks do have an equivalent of it, right?)
 

Savagezion

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It's completely legal!(isn't that what Nic Cage said in Lord of War? okay, so maybe he was lying a bi there. still...)
Nope, it is not fair. But that doesn't mean they aren't allowed to do it.
This. The consumer is in the right justifiably but EA is in the right technically. This is some shit I would do if I ran EA though. People need to quit being douchebags. If I caught you being a douchebag in my community, I would make things as hard on you as I could and show you how much of a douchebag I can be. (I would give you your games back in a few days) What we are seeing is one douchebag getting mad at another douchebag for being a douchebag. It doesn't matter who's side you take. Both sides are douchebags.

It doesn't take a genius to learn not to be a dumbass and make an EA account. Even if you must make an EA account, don't post there. There are plenty other gaming forums to post to that can't take away your games. Why post on the one with a history of it?
 

Jandau

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The customer.

He should have gotten a forum ban. That's it.

Blanket bans are wrong and buttfuck the consumer far too much.
 

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In many ways, It's well within EA's rights to do this but I don't think they rea;;y want to. They stand to lose a lot of customer support from this and unless they rectify the situation quickly, I don't think many people will see them the same.
 

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While I do not think EAs actions are justifiable I just can't care about another troll asshole getting punished because he couldn't be bothered to not harass a fellow gamer.

I'm totally ok with this.
 
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This policy has caused numerous problems before and it'll continue for a long time yet. It's a dick policy by EA, but that guy agreed to it and as accepted all punishment for any and all misbehavior. If he doesn't like it then he shouldn't have agreed to it.

I hate to say it, but EA are in the right here, despite how wrong that right is.
 

Savagezion

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It's funny how people are actually defending trolls.

EDIT: Imagine you buy a season pass for an amusement park for your family of 4. One ticket each is $60 (the price of a game). A season pass for everyone is, lets say, $300 (super cheap). If the jackass wants to show up and starts yelling some BS like "Israeli jets r gunna cum hit your home for real, cuz I don't liek how ur slushies look!" he, and his family, can and should be banned from the premisses. No refund, no use of his $300, not illegal, not immoral.

Same fucking thing.
LOL no it isn't. It's like buying a video game, going online and saying something rude on the internet and having the game get taken away from you. It is illegal to not give him the refund. What if EA saw a post of yours and said "I don't like the 'tone' of your post" and took your game away for being "self-righteous" and they don't want people like that playing their game? Suddenly, I bet you would think a refund would be in order. If they don't want him playing their game, fine, but give him the 60 bucks back. More than likely they will give him the right to play his game back before legal action can be taken place. They are just trying to make a point to their community with douches like him.

For a clearer view, this is what I originally put so I mostly agree with you but lets not pretend EA is acting on some type of right:

Savagezion said:
The consumer is in the right justifiably but EA is in the right technically. This is some shit I would do if I ran EA though. People need to quit being douchebags. If I caught you being a douchebag in my community, I would make things as hard on you as I could and show you how much of a douchebag I can be. (I would give you your games back in a few days) What we are seeing is one douchebag getting mad at another douchebag for being a douchebag. It doesn't matter who's side you take. Both sides are douchebags.

It doesn't take a genius to learn not to be a dumbass and make an EA account. Even if you must make an EA account, don't post there. There are plenty other gaming forums to post to that can't take away your games. Why post on the one with a history of it?
 

Savagezion

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If I ever told an Iranian: "Seen any Israeli or American jets flying by, lately?.. If not, you will, soon... in real life. "

I would expect criminal charges filed against me. I can't see why people are trying to justify this.
Criminal charges? I don't even know what to say to that, honestly. It is a random guy on the internet talking crap on another one. The court systems around the globe would be overrun with too many cases. What would these criminal charges be exactly?
 

Savagezion

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Sober Thal said:
Savagezion said:
Sober Thal said:
If I ever told an Iranian: "Seen any Israeli or American jets flying by, lately?.. If not, you will, soon... in real life. "

I would expect criminal charges filed against me. I can't see why people are trying to justify this.
Criminal charges? I don't even know what to say to that, honestly. It is a random guy on the internet talking crap on another one. The court systems around the globe would be overrun with too many cases. What would these criminal charges be exactly?
Damn, I forgot the part of the quote where he said the planes would be 'hitting your home soon'. That is a threat. Harassment by way of threatening physical harm.... 'for real'.

The thing, it wasn't a random guy. A random guy wouldn't have his account linked.
When I say random guy, I mean like "regular Joe". This guy is in no way connected to military intelligence, I assure everyone. I also doubt he owns a jet. I doubt he has any way to make this "threat" come to fruition. Thus, it makes it an opinion or guess at best, and a crappy one at that. What it is, is a racial/cultural slur joke based on limited knowledge of world events. If it is a threat, they have to prove he had any type of means to execute that. You can't file charges against someone for saying "I am gonna kick your ass" or even "I will kill you" for "Harassment by way of threatening physical harm.... 'for real'". You can get a restraining order, you can file a report. But you can't file charges.
 

Savagezion

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Sober Thal said:
Criminal Harassment: When someone willfully and maliciously engages in a knowing pattern of conduct or series of acts over a period of time directed at a specific person, which seriously alarms that person and would cause a reasonable person to suffer substantial
emotional distress.

A lawyer could easily argue that the racist tone of the comment caused his client substantial
emotional distress. Jewish and Iranian discord is not a joke. It may be to you, but not to others.
But 1 time does not show a pattern or series of acts. It was once. That is not harassment, that is a remark.