Poll: Why all the hate for Sub-zero?...

[MasterSteef]

The fact that he finishes someone off with their own skull and spine makes him pretty awesome >.>

I love this fatality and do it to anyone online that I win against as Sub-zero.



And personally I enjoy the second Sub-zero (codename Tundra) more than the first. But I guess what I want to know is why is it always Sub-zero that the horrible stuff seems to happen to? Why not someone that nobody likes...like Kano? I think its a little like having Superman and Batman team up and then having Superman constantly getting his ass kicked even though you know he's badass in his own right...its a little bit WTF?

 

[omega 616]

This is a little off topic but how come Reptile and Ermac have gone from a rain/scorpian/sub zero ninja look to an actual retile and ... mummy looking dude respectivly?

I get that when they first made an apperance they were just different colours of the same model, like Cyrax and Sektor but why couldn't they both remain as human looking ninja's? Well, I guess Ermac is a human looking ninja but he doesn't have the same ninja look as Scorpian and Sub.

Another little question, how come there have been like 20 sub zero's? I think in MK2 there was ninja Sub Zero and the Harry Potter Sub zero.

 

[Enslave_All_Elves]

I dunno I never noticed it. I'm too busy being Raiden to care about ninjas. Is Raiden even in the new one (haven't played yet)? He has to be.

Probably because Sub Zero and Scorpion are adversaries in the art work and story line. Also, when playing with friends I've noticed if one person is a ninja someone else must also be a ninja, usually Scorpion or Sub Zero.

Like I said, I'd rather be a character stolen from Big Trouble in Little China than a random ninja.

 

[Enslave_All_Elves]

Another little question, how come there have been like 20 sub zero's? I think in MK2 there was ninja Sub Zero and the Harry Potter Sub zero.

I think there have been two. The first was killed by Scorpion, the current one is his brother. The Harry Potter Sub Zero was actually a female version named Frost. Forget which game she appears in. One of the ones with weapons and fighting styles.

 

[Owlslayer]

Whenever i think of MK, the first thing that pops to my head is Sub-Zero. TO me, he is Mortal Kombat.
That ice of his made him unique in my eyes (well, when i was like 8 or something like that, it was unique) and i remembered him well.
Before MK9, i doubt I'd recognized Scorpion or as a matter of fact, anyone else except Sub-Zero.

So yeah. He's awesome.

 

[omega 616]

Another little question, how come there have been like 20 sub zero's? I think in MK2 there was ninja Sub Zero and the Harry Potter Sub zero.

I think there have been two. The first was killed by Scorpion, the current one is his brother. The Harry Potter Sub Zero was actually a female version named Frost. Forget which game she appears in. One of the ones with weapons and fighting styles.

In Mortal kombat 3 (my mistake before) there is definatly two male sub zero's.

You can tell 'cos if it was a female she would almost be naked, Frost is a totally seperate person from Harry Potter Sub and ninja sub.

 

[DesiPrinceX09]

Sub-zero is actually my favorite character, his ninja attitude and freezing powers are totally bad ass. My friend likes scorpion though, so when I get MK9 and when he gets it, it's gonna be a fight to the death (literally) between me (sub-zero) and him (scorpion)

 

[MaaZeus]

Another little question, how come there have been like 20 sub zero's? I think in MK2 there was ninja Sub Zero and the Harry Potter Sub zero.

I think there have been two. The first was killed by Scorpion, the current one is his brother. The Harry Potter Sub Zero was actually a female version named Frost. Forget which game she appears in. One of the ones with weapons and fighting styles.

In Mortal kombat 3 (my mistake before) there is definatly two male sub zero's.

You can tell 'cos if it was a female she would almost be naked, Frost is a totally seperate person from Harry Potter Sub and ninja sub.

There is only one Sub-Zero in MK3 and he is the same one that is on all MK games except MK1. He just doesnt wear his ninja clothes because he is running away from his old clan.

Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 & Mortal Kombat Trilogy are different stories. In those games there are two Sub-Zeroes but either they are the same person OR one is MK1 Sub-Zero before his death (even though Noob Saibot is also in. PARADOX!)

Realistically though, they are afterall more like Special Editions of MK3. Just added a crapload of new and old characters to MK3 engine. Canonity is irrelevant.

 

[MAUSZX]

scorpion and subzero are the most popular characters of this game, actually if you remember there is a game of subzero, so there is no hate

 

[sheah1]

What's weird is that Scorpion actually becomes less of a character, so it's not even like Scorpio's winning, they're both being downgraded.

 

[darthotaku]

Scorpion is a more liked character and in the mythos before the new game he always hated sub-zero. therefor, scorpion wins in advertizing.

 

[k3v1n]

I don't think anyone dislikes sub-zero, quite the contrary (including myself he's amongst my favourite characters along with mileena, scorpion and Baraka)

 

[FalloutJack]

Cause he's a faker! Noob should be the face of MK!

Noob IS Subzero. The corrupted and original one. Sadly, he has no more freezy-powers, so he is - excuse the pun - no longer cool enough.

OT: I have no hate for Subzero. I think Subs is the best one ever.

Which...leads me to point out that {A} I never really liked the cyber-ninjas (because they're not NINJAS anymore) and {B} I always wondered something... Why is it again that there are all these ninjas clad Subzero and Scorpion while having NO association with their order of assassins?

But yeah, my reaction to this thread is "What hate for Subzero?".

 

[Ordinaryundone]

Cause he's a faker! Noob should be the face of MK!

Noob IS Subzero. The corrupted and original one. Sadly, he has no more freezy-powers, so he is - excuse the pun - no longer cool enough.

OT: I have no hate for Subzero. I think Subs is the best one ever.

Which...leads me to point out that {A} I never really liked the cyber-ninjas (because they're not NINJAS anymore) and {B} I always wondered something... Why is it again that there are all these ninjas clad Subzero and Scorpion while having NO association with their order of assassins?

But yeah, my reaction to this thread is "What hate for Subzero?".

Well, most of the "ninjas" in the game (Sub-Zero, Smoke, Sektor, Cyrax) are part of the Lin Kuei, who according to their backstory are Chinese and thus not technically ninjas, but a clan of assassins/warriors (though, then again, Smoke and Cyrax aren't Chinese either, so....). Scorpion is Japanese, I assume, due to his name, so he actually is a ninja but is unaffiliated with the Lin Kuei.

 

[FalloutJack]

-Ninja Vanish!-

Actually, I understand Subzero, Scorpion, Smoke, Sektor, Cyrax, AND Noob. All of them but Scorpion are legitimate Lin Kuei and I'm aware that they're not literal ninjas. They are, however, ninja-like assassins, which I said. Scorpion? I know that he was a victim from hell using a yellow uniform to mock the Lin Kuei with notions of cowardice. That, I all know.

The things that bug me are that, first, you cease to be a proper assassin once the ancient order of well-honed fighters somehow transform you into walking artilleries. Missles and grenades? So not their style. Nevertheless, that was only minor to this...

My second point: Why are Reptile, Ermac, Rain, and Chameleon dressed as Lin Kuei? They are NOT from there or even human.

 

[Ordinaryundone]

Actually, I understand Subzero, Scorpion, Smoke, Sektor, Cyrax, AND Noob. All of them but Scorpion are legitimate Lin Kuei and I'm aware that they're not literal ninjas. They are, however, ninja-like assassins, which I said. Scorpion? I know that he was a victim from hell using a yellow uniform to mock the Lin Kuei with notions of cowardice. That, I all know.

The things that bug me are that, first, you cease to be a proper assassin once the ancient order of well-honed fighters somehow transform you into walking artilleries. Missles and grenades? So not their style. Nevertheless, that was only minor to this...

My second point: Why are Reptile, Ermac, Rain, and Chameleon dressed as Lin Kuei? They are NOT from there or even human.

I think they retconned the "Scorpion is pallete swap to troll Sub-Zero" thing. Now he just wears yellow cause he likes it, I guess.. As we see now, his outfit, even during the MK1 tournament, really looks nothing like Sub-Zero's or the other Lin Kuei (Klassic nonwithstanding).

Anyway, I think they use the term "assassin" loosely. I mean, none of the Lin Kuei are particularly stealthy, what with Sub-Zero freezing everything and Cyrax pooping bombs every time he leaves a room. Hell, even Smoke, the supposedly stealthiest member still shouts when he teleports for some reason. But if we look closer, the only two cyborg ninjas who use a lot of tech are Cyrax and Sektor. And they were using the same kind of tech back when they were human. I think turning them into robots was more of a "strip away the free will and emotion" thing, rather than making them stronger.

As for the other nonjas, in the old days it was just limited memory necessitated pallette swaps, but as of this game its pretty clear that Reptile and Ermac were never even supposed to look close to the Lin Kuei or even Scorpion. Ermac just happens to wear a ninja-ish looking headwrap, and Reptile wears tight fitting kung-fu clothes (like half the cast does anyway). And a mask, cause otherwise he'd drool everywhere and his laundry bill would be outrageous >>

As for Rain and Chameleon...hell if I know. I'm pretty sure Chameleon doesn't really exist as far as canon is concerned, and does Rain even have a backstory? He could very well just be another Lin Kuei, who the others never talk about because Prince references are SOOO 1999.

 

[FalloutJack]

-Zippah Snip!-

So, in summary...

Cyrax and Sektor: "This was always our style of combat."

Ermac: "It's a coincidence."

Reptile: "Really just copying a style."

Chameleon: *Doesn't actually exist*

And Rain? Well, I heard Rain was from Outworld, so I dunno.

Even still, I understand the whole memory thing.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

Cause he's a faker! Noob should be the face of MK!

Noob IS Subzero. The corrupted and original one. Sadly, he has no more freezy-powers, so he is - excuse the pun - no longer cool enough.

OT: I have no hate for Subzero. I think Subs is the best one ever.

Which...leads me to point out that {A} I never really liked the cyber-ninjas (because they're not NINJAS anymore) and {B} I always wondered something... Why is it again that there are all these ninjas clad Subzero and Scorpion while having NO association with their order of assassins?

But yeah, my reaction to this thread is "What hate for Subzero?".

My point exactly! The Sub-Zero of today is the faker! On a serious note I only usually play a Liu Kang... so my dislike for Sub-Zero is because I suck as him -_-

 

[FalloutJack]

-Snippality-

Unfortunately, there really is no 'fake' Subzero. If I understand right, it's a title, and it's awarded to the best practicioner of ice. So regardless, Subzero is Subzero. Sorry you don't do well with him.

 

[JUMBO PALACE]

Because Scorpion is the far more iconic and they hate each other.

I happen to like both of them