The way I see it is, that every species gets an equal chance. If a species is build to fail, then it will eventually fail, humans shouldn't intervene in the natural selection. But if we already have intervened, and as a result the species is dying, then we should do our best to fix the mess we've made. And no, I don't see humans as a part of the nature anymore.dobahci said:That seems like a bit of a leap to me. There are plenty of creatures that would have (and do have) difficulty surviving in the wild, but that doesn't necessarily mean they don't deserve to live and propagate. There are plenty of people that couldn't survive in the wild, either.Soods said:They survive on their own. If one species, like pigs, can't survive in the wilds, I don't think it deserves to survive.
There are a number of species which are hanging on by a thread and are largely kept alive by conservation efforts. The giant panda is a good example. Do you think we should simply allow it to die out?
We're the ones with the industry because we're the ones with the capability to create said industry. If another species of omnivore out there one day achieved our level of intelligence and ability to create and utilize tools, it'd be naive to assume that they wouldn't use those gifts to get the food that they want. If they got as efficient at it as we have gotten with the many, many years of practice we've had, they'd likely have the same industry going that we currently have.CarlMinez said:Alright, here we go.
Firstly, if I see an argument that is preposterous to me, I'm sure to reply to it. In this case, I've seen this one pseudo-argument being repeated like a dozen times in this thread alone and you just happened to be the last one brining it up. You mentioned that it's your personal believes and while I don't question that you are entitled to them, I assumed that you by stating them wouldn't mind defending them as well. But if that's the case, leave this post unanswered and I shall bother you no more.![]()
Still, your reasoning here just doesn't make sense to me. You are saying that human beings are omnivores and therefore, If we don't have the right to eat meat then no non-human animal omnivores should either? Why, because they are likely to do the same? Well that doesn't matter. Right now we are the ones with the meat industry and no other animal is doing the same. This is no a question of any deontological principles that all animals have. Human beings can be judged by how we treat those who cannot defend themselves. In this case, we are treating animals that cannot defend themselves horribly, which is unethical no matter how you look at it.
They'd go to the wild, where they would be eaten by some other type of animal that doesn't care whether or not they can defend themselves.geK0 said:Besides, where would all those cows go if the demand for meat and leater just disappeared?
those people clearly have a low double digit IQ. you offered nothing intellectual on the table.Soods said:Well, 2 people have been enlightened according to the poll. There must have been something enlightening about the post.
You are claiming a lot, but please provide some sources.
This [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production] and this [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_vegetarianism] is why I believe meat production is bad for the environment.
"The world must create five billion vegans in the next several decades, or triple its total farm output without using more land."
-Dennis Avery, Director of the Centre for Global Food Issues
I know where meat comes from and I still eat it. it's already dead and not eating it won't help anything.MajorTomServo said:People who eat meat just havent learned enough about where it comes from. I find that no one is ever able to beat me in an argument about it. It usually comes down to "But it's tasty! D:" or "If you dont eat meat you're a queer-bag! D:<" or "REAL men eat meat! Carnivores ftw! Mighty hunters herp derp durr!"
Because nothing says mighty predator like buying pre-packed cuts of an animal someone else raised and slaughtered for you.