Poll: Why does everyone hate ME3 so badly?

[RedEyesBlackGamer]

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I'm about to play. I am a fan of open endings, I hope to be the exception in liking the ending because a bad ending can ruin a game (in this case a trilogy) for me.

 

[nobodysomebody]

So, this looks like the hundreds of other threads regarding the hate towards DA2. I'm sure ME3 is a perfectly wonderful game until the end, which was exactly my opinion on DA2(but seriously that ending was bad). I can understand how people would be getting upset over the implied lack of choice for the endings, after spending all that time making decisions in their own respective versions of the ME universe, that "rage" is understandable. However, the rage against Bioware for using stock photographs is ridiculous. It does not effect the game, how it is played, or the experience you have. It was a choice on their part to attempt to convey their ideas for parts of the game, and honestly how were the original stock photos found? Did someone tirelessly search for them, just to prove that they think Bioware is a bad studio, and in effect get hundreds of annoyed, or pretending to be annoyed and over reacting, lovers of the franchise on Bioware's case? I just don't understand why that specific aspect should matter, or why people would be upset about it, but that, I suppose, is the internet.

 

[Risingblade]

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Well if you like open endings then you'll enjoy the ending, It's about as open as humanly possible

 

[Darkwhite]

I know you don't have to, but from what I gather there is almost no leeway with it, a couple of things get locked out and you can't end it that way, of course this may all be bad info I've been getting, even so, not fond of those online players getting an easy ride =p

This is true, you have to do a 99% sidequest run for the best endings but to be honest the way they use war assets as rewards for sidequests kind of tricked me into feeling compelled to do it not for the endings, but because i wanted to have those Heavy artillery Elchor in my fleet of awesomeness

Yep, they got me with that too, sly sods, I guess it doesn't help I like to have a tidy journal, all codex entries read, side quests done, I just hope we actually see some of these assets in action, personally I've got to see the sort of weaponry the Elchor use, but I'm guessing thats not gonna happen...

 

[Texas Joker 52]

Have you seen the ending? The entire game is great until the last 15 minutes, then they proceed to invalidate all your accomplishments and shoehorn you into three variations of the same ending that are all filled with plot-holes and are completely unsatisfying.

It turns out a large majority of your choices didn't actually mean anything, and for a series that's been boasting about it's choices actually meaning something for the past 5 years it has completely failed in that department.

This. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind how Shepard ends up quite so much, but the endings all felt depressing, hollow, and like no matter what, you might as well sit there and just go "Ok Reapers, just wipe us out. Get it over with.", and it would be just as satisfying.

Overall through, the game was amazing. The combat felt worlds better than Mass Effect 2, the dialogue and interactions were better than the first and second games combined, especially with the bonding moments you could have with each member of the crew. Those of you who had a trip to a certain part of the Citadel with Garrus know exactly what I'm talking about. The squadmates all felt so... Human, for lack of a better term. There were moments I grinned, laughed, and even felt sad because of what they were going through.

Just... Damn it, Bioware, you're a great developer and I love your games, its just that this is like carrying a football across the entire field without a single problem, then fumbling just before you can make a near flawless touchdown.

 

[Fappy]

Aside from a few bugs it was going great until the ending. God damn what a way to ruin a great game.

Mass Effect 3 was a fantastic game until the ending. Full of emotion, drama and action. The ending ruined the entire series for me.

The game was, up until the ending, absolutely fantastic. Gameplay was incredibly fluid and fun, and the characters had been written so well that it just made the ending even more unfair.

Spoiler: Ending spoilers

I'm okay with Shep making the ultimate sacrifice, but I'm not okay with the complete bullshit reasoning. Kid AI saying that organics must be destroyed because they'll make synthetics that destroy them? What? Plus, it makes every choice you've made completely irrelevant.
The absolute worst part of the endings, for me at least, is that there is zero closure. You don't know what happens to your team mates, your friends, your love interest, hell, the rest of the galaxy. It's just "Shepard saved the day by dying, lol the end!"

I really feel like the ending(s) singlehandedly ruined the game for me. The biggest part of the Mass Effect series was, for me, it's replayability. I have so many Shepard's that I was ecstatic to bring into ME3. Now, I don't even want to bother because I know the bleak, unsatisfying outcome.

ME3 is a sad case for me because it has two flaws, one is Tali's face (which to be fair I got over quickly) and the other is the ending, which completely ruined an otherwise flawless game for me.

Exactly how I feel. It's like they wrote the entire story flawlessly and put off the ending until the last second. I boggles my mind.

Christ, you guys are scaring me. I saw the reactions to the leaks and just thought it was the usual panic before a release, now people having the same reaction after playing it is unsettling. It can't be as bad as DA2's ending....can it?

It is worse than DA2's I would say... though the rest of ME3 is good where as all of DA2 was not.

 

[KingofMadCows]

I don't think it's a bad game but the writers seem to have gotten more and more lazy since ME1. Some parts of the game are just so stupid or contrived. I mean come on, you have Reapers trying to stop on Shepard like Godzilla. Why not just fly into the air and drop a nuke on top of Shepard?

 

[jason27131]

I don't think it's a bad game but the writers seem to have gotten more and more lazy since ME1. Some parts of the game are just so stupid or contrived. I mean come on, you have Reapers trying to stop on Shepard like Godzilla. Why not just fly into the air and drop a nuke on top of Shepard?

Because Reaper's goal is to indoctrinate and assimilate as many organics as possible. Not to kill them off.

In hindsight, they're kinda like the borg. They will kill if necessary, but mostly assimilation.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

I'm neutral leaning towards negative. I'm not buying the game until an Origin free version comes out, and I am very critical of Bioware and EA's marketing decisions.

However, I think the biggest problem is not just the haters, but the extremes on each end. Instead of people who dislike the game, you hear them ripping it apart and then attacking people who do like the game.

In reverse, you have people claiming it's the best thing ever and then mocking anyone who disagrees with them in turn.

I honestly hate both groups, since they're both a pain in the ass and excruciatingly smug.

 

[Thatguyky]

Personally I LOVED Mass Effect 3 up until the last 15min or so of the game. From that moment on I had a really really bad feeling. And alas I was right, the endings left me not even wanting to touch the game, or any other mass effect game for a looooooooooong time. It's a damn shame

 

[SajuukKhar]

I loved the endings because they actually make sense with the story.

The Mass Relays and The Citadel were devices built by The Reapers to impose technological and social limits and force civilization down the path the Reapers chose, which is to say a dead end one.

While destroying the Mass Relays sets the galaxy back thousands of years it also free galactic civilization from never ending enslavement.

Leaving the Mass Relays would only means civilization continued to be slaves, and would stagnate one they hit the end of the Reapers path. But what is WORSE about it is that at that point they would now be willing slaves to a slave master who is no longer alive.

Post mass relay civilization now has a chance to go down the path that they choose for themselves instead of the Reapers path, the unfortunate problem is that civilization as it was, was already to far down The Reapers path to be fixed, it had to be destroyed.

 

[KingofMadCows]

I don't think it's a bad game but the writers seem to have gotten more and more lazy since ME1. Some parts of the game are just so stupid or contrived. I mean come on, you have Reapers trying to stop on Shepard like Godzilla. Why not just fly into the air and drop a nuke on top of Shepard?

Because Reaper's goal is to indoctrinate and assimilate as many organics as possible. Not to kill them off.

In hindsight, they're kinda like the borg. They will kill if necessary, but mostly assimilation.

And I'm not saying that the Reapers should go around nuking everything, just the places and people who pose a threat. Places like the Shroud tower that was going to be used to create the genophage cure and people like Shepard.

The Reapers are also like the Borg in that they went through some badass decay. The writers made them a bit too powerful in ME1 so they made them weaker and dumber in ME3, just like how Voyager made the Borg weaker and dumber.

 

[jason27131]

I don't think it's a bad game but the writers seem to have gotten more and more lazy since ME1. Some parts of the game are just so stupid or contrived. I mean come on, you have Reapers trying to stop on Shepard like Godzilla. Why not just fly into the air and drop a nuke on top of Shepard?

Because Reaper's goal is to indoctrinate and assimilate as many organics as possible. Not to kill them off.

In hindsight, they're kinda like the borg. They will kill if necessary, but mostly assimilation.

And I'm not saying that the Reapers should go around nuking everything, just the places and people who pose a threat. Places like the Shroud tower that was going to be used to create the genophage cure and people like Shepard.

The Reapers are also like the Borg in that they went through some badass decay. The writers made them a bit too powerful in ME1 so they made them weaker and dumber in ME3, just like how Voyager made the Borg weaker and dumber.

So true. I'm actually not sure, but then again, who ever said the ME3 writers were remotely bright? Judging from the ending, they're obviously not. It would take a massive moron to NOT see the endings would piss off more than half the fans.

 

[Elamdri]

Spoiler: Spoiler, and I mean SPOILER

Endings: Regardless of what Ending you get, you're destroying all life in the galaxy, even worse than the Reapers did. You DO die, and so do all other species? So, it doesn't matter who you side with or who you saved, because they're all dead anyhow. I only saw the 'synthesis' ending, but it wasn't very.. defined. What happened exactly? It looked like Joker got The Illusive Man's eyes, but that's it. Not sure if Joker & EDI blew up or are supposed to be Adam and Eve (oh and also Liara was there) or what.
Glitches. SO MANY times I had to restart a whole mission because a required cutscene didn't start and I had to NOT attack bad guys. You did too much damage with a sniper rifle! Bah. Or solar systems not showing up even after you got a quest to go there, and there was nothing to do. Other quests had other problems with this. I seriously question whether or not they even game-tested. Hell, half the time EDI used Decoy the Decoy was crouching on top of something, but she had no head.
Unfulfilled: You get to recruit Volus, Elcor and Batarian fleet/s, but never get to see their ships or fighters. I kind of wanted to see that. Or krogan riding on those big monsters that the heiroglyphics showed? That'd of been cool! But no. The Rachni, if you did save them, only count for 100 points because of their workers helping build the Crucible. You never get to see them- except for the queen, who for some reason can talk now? The only places you ever land are battle maps and the Citadel. I would have liked to see Kajhe and Decuuna. I was hoping to see Tali's face and be like 'wow they look a lot like cobras' but I didn't get to see her face- which is just as well, according to almost everyone. Instead she committed suicide by falling off a cliff. I never heard about Grunt or Jack. You hardly even get to talk to anyone this time around- and I really wanted to watch Legion do the robot.

...There are more endings than that with different outcomes. What you described is one of the possible outcomes, not all of them.

 

[FalloutJack]

Excuse me, but my girlfriend reportedly nerdgasmed upon seeing that it was released. I must therefore conclude that it was not crap.

(Seriously, why do they say 'everybody' when it's only a small portion of humanity?)

 

[T_love]

Personally, I thought that the game was great. Your past choices mattered, story was solid, the ending was a Heroic sacrifice (at least for me). So, I have no idea what the rage is about.

Only problem (plot hole) I found was: Why the hell did the reapers try to build a Human reaper in Mass effect 2?

 

[Flailing Escapist]

I don't hate it but ME3 has a bunch of little things that just rub me the wrong way. The first two games didn't have anything like that and many good games that I really enjoy don't have them either. So why should I subjugate to the monotone poorly written dialogue of Freddie Prinz Jr./ James Vega? Why do I feel the urge to roll my eyes everything that fucking feel nothing child shows up and why does it bother me that I can think of a dozen ways how they could have made us care about ME3 better? Why do I have to put up with a gaming publisher that I fear is constantly abusing me?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?

 

[Abedeus]

In terms of actual reviews, rather than anger at specifics like the Tali thing or the DLC thing, I've mostly heard that ME3 is quite excellent.

I'll say few things: 90-95% of the game is fucking awesome, and if I hadn't played the last 10-15 minutes of it, I would've called it the game of the year. Right now. Fuck Diablo 3, the game I've been waiting for 11 years. ME3 got me so interested in playing it, I didn't play D3 beta that I got into two days ago. But, few things during the last few moments made me think that... the series, unless there's a DLC or patch fixing shit, will be ruined. It'll be Matrix all over again, with awesome first game, completely groundbreaking experience, then second being good, but not AMAZING, and third ruining a lot of things and considered non-canon by many fans.


Things I love about ME3:

- Combat. I love it so much, I played a bit of ME2 after I finished ME3, and I kept trying to do rolls to cover and double-tapping keys. And finally they made a pretty balanced system in case you want to be a pure Adept/Engineer - get only a pistol/SMG with light-weight upgrade and enjoy 2 second cooldown on skills.
- Characters and their development. I absolutely loved returning characters, EDI and Joker being all lovey-dovey (at least Joker), Wrex and Grunt still being awesome, Garrus... do I even have to praise him more? Liara finally acting more mature, and Tali also awesome. I kind of missed Jack, forgot that on my save I hadn't met with Katsumi yet, and Thane was kick-ass for whatever short time he appeared on the screen.
- Dialog and writing. It's always been a strong point in Bioware games, but holy crap, ME3 has a LOT of great writing. Hard to pin-point one thing, it's more of a "general goodness".
- Humor. Garrus scene on the Citadel, Grunt (if you completed his loyalty mission in ME2) gets a Moment of Crowning Awesomeness. Many references to previous games, all humorous.

Things I dislike about ME3:

- Day one DLC... nobody likes those. Pay extra for something already on disc that isn't cosmetics is just downright stupid of Bioware.
- Multiplayer is required for the "average" player to get over 4k war assets, something Bioware told us wouldn't be necessary if you don't like MP. But since the game is kind of fun in multi, I'll just pass...

Things I hate about ME3:

- Oh boy. Okay with the weaker ones - From Ashes DLC, with the Prothean. People assumed that we'd meet him in-game, and the DLC will only give us a recruitment option. BULLSHIT. We never meet any protheans in the fucking game. Your only chance to meet the surviving member of the previous fucking life cycle costs $$$.
- If you romanced anyone besides Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Tali or Liara, you're fucked. You'll get few seconds of your love interest on screen, and that's it.
- If you romanced anyone but the trio from ME1, you're also fucked. When you make "the" decision at the end of game, you think about three people - Joker, Anderson and... Liara. WHY LIARA? I ROMANCED GARRUS FOR FUCKS SAKE, I DON'T EVEN LIKE LIARA.
- Choices don't matter, and that's because of endings, but: you killed Rachni queen? The Reapers found another one! You appointed Anderson as the Councilor? He quit! We were promised a story that we make our own, and only things like "Who you left on Virmire, did you kill Wrex or no, who survived the suicide mission" actually matter during the game. But nothing affects the endings, not even your Paragon/Renegade points.
- The endings, holy crap. I read the War of the Spider Queen and that was at least as sad as those endings, but it not only made sense, but was predictable when you know who the characters were dealing with.

This. This shit is the reason I hate the game now and not sure I will play it again. I don't regret pre-ordering it, but I do regret seeing the endings. They all can be explained with "MAGIC, DEAL WITH IT".

 

[dyre]

In terms of actual reviews, rather than anger at specifics like the Tali thing or the DLC thing, I've mostly heard that ME3 is quite excellent.

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Yeah, I've been hearing that a lot after the preliminary positive reports. I'm a little scared to try the game out...part of me feels that I'd rather play a mediocre game with a shitty ending than an incredibly well-made game involving a story and characters I've invested in with a shitty ending. I'm reminded of KOTOR 2...surely it can't be as disappointing as KOTOR 2 was? D:

Would you say the ending is potentially fixable via DLC? Maybe I could wait a few months and hope something comes out.

 

[Gennadios]

I found the game solid outside over overly twitchy and overall less tactical combat, bu just having finished, by god the ending is shit.

I honestly wouldn't be too enraged if this was the first ME game I've played, but I've gone through 3 tours of duty fighting for the game's characters, and it just all ended up feeling hollow and pointless at the end.

It's kind of like one of those movie endings where if you'd just walked out 5 minutes before the end you'd think it was awesome, but the last 3 minutes just leave the whole experience feeling like wasted time.