Poll: Why does everyone hate ME3 so badly?

[SajuukKhar]

See, here's the thing, PROVE IT?

See the problem, the problem is that there is no PROOF that everything has turned for the better. As much as you WANT to believe there is (It doesn't help that the tone of the game was explicitly darker.) There is no guarantee. I don't need a day to day Rundown, but at-least during the credit, SHOW these populations rebuilding, show that our choices in the game actually MEANT Diddly Squat.

First rule of Storytelling

Show, don't tell.

See, here's the thing, prove that it doesn't happen.

The stargazers at the end of the game show that civilizations do carry on in a post-relay galaxy.

given the themes of the series and the stargazers existence, there is more evidence that they did, then they didn't.

 

[xdj220]

Three reasons:

1. Requires Origin.
2. Bad writing.
3. This: http://crystalprisonzone.blogspot.com/2012/03/bioware-day-one-dlc-developed.html?m=1
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/10/the-problem-with-biowares-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-from-ashes/

 

[SajuukKhar]

Three reasons:

1. Requires Origin.
2. Bad writing.
3. This: http://crystalprisonzone.blogspot.com/2012/03/bioware-day-one-dlc-developed.html?m=1
http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/10/the-problem-with-biowares-mass-effect-3-day-one-dlc-from-ashes/

Too bad it has been proven that bioware didnt lie about the DLC.

Nice try though.

What most people fail to realize, and those that do often leave out on purpose to generate more hate, is that DLC often has placeholder files in the game to allow for easier integration.

DNF had placeholder files for 4 dlc in it, Mass Effect 2 had files for lair of the shadow broker in it on release, I wouldn't be surprised if Skyrim had placeholder files for DLC somewhere. New vegas had files for DLC4 inside of DLC2.

Does it mean the DLC was made before release? no, it means the put in placeholder files for easier integration.

captcha: Head Case, what i think many of the people who don't understand the ending are.

 

[iseeyouthere]

See, here's the thing, PROVE IT?

See the problem, the problem is that there is no PROOF that everything has turned for the better. As much as you WANT to believe there is (It doesn't help that the tone of the game was explicitly darker.) There is no guarantee. I don't need a day to day Rundown, but at-least during the credit, SHOW these populations rebuilding, show that our choices in the game actually MEANT Diddly Squat.

First rule of Storytelling

Show, don't tell.

See, here's the thing, prove that it doesn't happen.

The stargazers at the end of the game show that civilizations do carry on in a post-relay galaxy.

given the themes of the series and the stargazers existence, there is more evidence that they did, then they didn't.

No. The stargazers show two (presumed) humans staring up at the sky in a country area. There are no cities, towns, crowds of people... There is nothing to show us that the universe is rebuilding. Those two could be the only survivors of a colony.

It shows us nothing to support either side that the universe is ok or not. It shows us nothing to show us rebuilding or not.
We have no proof that anything happened good or bad.
And to do that after a saying there will be an "epic conclusion"? It leaves it with so many holes in the story that you could take it to a cheese shop and call it Swiss.

 

[SajuukKhar]

No. The stargazers show two (presumed) humans staring up at the sky in a country area. There are no cities, towns, crowds of people... There is nothing to show us that the universe is rebuilding. Those two could be the only survivors of a colony.

It shows us nothing to support either side that the universe is ok or not. It shows us nothing to show us rebuilding or not.
We have no proof that anything happened good or bad.
And to do that after a saying there will be an "epic conclusion"? It leaves it with so many holes in the story that you could take it to a cheese shop and call it Swiss.

Except the story doesn't have holes and I could easily explain them all as "you didnt pay attention".

Also civilization =/= mega cities and spaceships

 

[Slayer_2]

Origin of all things evil...

 

[Blobpie]

The endings weren't bad.....they were mediocre. No where near the quality of the rest of the game, they left too much unanswered. It could be much, much better.

 

[Bat Vader]

See, here's the thing, PROVE IT?

See the problem, the problem is that there is no PROOF that everything has turned for the better. As much as you WANT to believe there is (It doesn't help that the tone of the game was explicitly darker.) There is no guarantee. I don't need a day to day Rundown, but at-least during the credit, SHOW these populations rebuilding, show that our choices in the game actually MEANT Diddly Squat.

First rule of Storytelling

Show, don't tell.

See, here's the thing, prove that it doesn't happen.

The stargazers at the end of the game show that civilizations do carry on in a post-relay galaxy.

given the themes of the series and the stargazers existence, there is more evidence that they did, then they didn't.

One thing I don't understand is how did the old stargazer know what Shepard did when he/she met the catalyst? Shepard was the only one up there and if he/she died how would anyone else know what Shepard and the catalyst talked about? I liked how Bioware ended Dragon Age: Origins with telling you what happens as a result of the choices you made. I was hoping they would have that in Mass Effect 3 at the end.

 

[Tahaneira]

I personally think the game is amazing. Up until the ending/s. I feel dissatisfied by the end, but up until that last cutscene, I thought the game was great. It still is great. I just probably won't finish it again anytime soon.

And yes, this is one of the few games I would support a changed ending for. In my opinion, it's the only major stain on the experience.

And not enough Tali.

Don't judge me.

Even though you totally should.

 

[SajuukKhar]

One thing I don't understand is how did the old stargazer know what Shepard did when he/she met the catalyst? Shepard was the only one up there and if he/she died how would anyone else know what Shepard and the catalyst talked about? I liked how Bioware ended Dragon Age: Origins with telling you what happens as a result of the choices you made. I was hoping they would have that in Mass Effect 3 at the end.

If you do specific things after the ending is over you see Shep buried in debris and then he moves.

 

[Ravnican]

What are you talking about? The game is awesome, easily my favorite of the trilogy... well, except for the ending. I won't go back to that because I have run out of booze.

 

[ecoho]

ok so i beat the game yesterday and have been thinking about the ending since then and heres what ive thought. The ending was "ok" but i wish they would have given you a paragon/renigade choice to do a third option were you can get a combination of both endings and well do as garuss sugested at one point

now i must say the ending is not bad per say just not fully thought through, well thats my 2 cents anyways.

 

[xdj220]

Too bad it has been proven that bioware didnt lie about the DLC.

Nice try though.

Source? Proof? The files talked about are more than placeholders, they are full data files.

 

[Bat Vader]

One thing I don't understand is how did the old stargazer know what Shepard did when he/she met the catalyst? Shepard was the only one up there and if he/she died how would anyone else know what Shepard and the catalyst talked about? I liked how Bioware ended Dragon Age: Origins with telling you what happens as a result of the choices you made. I was hoping they would have that in Mass Effect 3 at the end.

If you do specific things after the ending is over you see Shep buried in debris and then he moves.

Is that after completing New Game + or is that getting over 5000 points for war assets?

 

[SajuukKhar]

Source? Proof? The files talked about are more than placeholders, they are full data files.

source? proof? That it was finished before the game came out and that is why they could put it on the disk.... ohh wait.... there isn't any, just that they put some of the completed data on the disk to allow for easier integration.

That is how DLC is made, the files we see on the game disk are the few files that were completed before the game was done, from the DLC's pre-production and early production stages, that they were able to put on the disk for easier integration. The DLC wasn't finished however till AFTER the game had hit certification.

Also if you look the files we do see
-Animation files are things that they copy pasta from one squadmate to another and alter them slightly for each squadmates specific skin.
-Squadmate banter, and dialog in general, is usually done early on in the dev process also.

Those are the EASIEST things to get done and probably took less then a couple days allowing them to be put on the disk so that you had to download less later.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Really? So far all you've offered are convoluted theories that require you to make up wild assumptions to fill in the gaps in the game's logic.

All the game offers is a crap ending, that ruins the "choice matters" theme of the games and undermines everything that you had accomplished with a "this was all a story told in the far, far future, hundreds of years later" ending.

the choices mattered part only applied to your decision effecting how what war assets you would get in Me3, peoples belief that you could get all these diffrent endings with little text pop-ups telling you what happened to who is somethign the fans made up along with the dreams of thier space waifus.

secondly the stargazer was recounting the events that had happened in the past, it wasn't just a story.

 

[xdj220]

Ok, so your proof is a chart showing something irrelevant that I already knew, and speculation as to what happened based on what Bioware said in spite of having no evidence. Right.

Oh, apparently you can also add the DLC squadmate to your crew by editing one line in an .ini file without the DLC installed, and it will work fine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRRpGlmtws8

 

[VanTesla]

Pretty much what the subject line states. To clarify, although there are problems and fan rage for things like the Tali's face = stock photograph incident that I completly agree with, for the most part I am really enjoying Mass Effect 3 and cannot wrap my head around all of the ungodly amounts or rage. Enlighten me

Edit: Sorry this is my first forum posting and apparently I did horribly with the poll

2: Fixed it

To me the ending ruined what could have been one of my favorite games of all time... None of your choices you made before truely matter in the end and the three endings are all copy and paste the same mostly... So a game that promotes choice boils down to three endings that has no bearing on what you did before hand and makes many contradictions about the Reapers and a huge plot hole... Spoiler about Shepard

Spoiler

He dies in all but one ending if you had high resources, and some people think that he was dreaming the whole thing aka indoctrination by Harbringer after he was hit by the beam. So Bioware can sell the actual endings later on... I am fine if Shepard dies and all, but the whole ending makes little sense and like I said before makes mostly all your choices up till then completely meaningless...

 

[Terminate421]

I don't "hate" Mass Effect 3, its a great game with a great story but I do have to say the ending was not up to par.

The problem was it felt so limited and with little accomplishment from my past choices.

 

[Matt King]

best game i have ever played, until the very last scene